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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I guess if you were saying it's not believable that the Resistance is flying the same old shit, then I disagree.
If you're saying it's too bad we didn't see any new ships, then OK, that's a good point. I guess the classic X-Wing is iconic, so maybe that's why they didn't change it? If I'm remembering correctly, the X-Wings stayed constant throughout the original trilogy while the TIE Fighters were tweaked from film to film? I may be misremembering though.
If you're saying it's too bad we didn't see any new ships, then OK, that's a good point. I guess the classic X-Wing is iconic, so maybe that's why they didn't change it? If I'm remembering correctly, the X-Wings stayed constant throughout the original trilogy while the TIE Fighters were tweaked from film to film? I may be misremembering though.
#802
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Ive seen this comment a few times now. That Finn had some relationship with the fallen trooper. I think people are reading too much into this. Wasnt Finn having a moral crisis and saw a human being gunned down for "nothing". I feel it was just basic human empathy and not some elaborate "we were drinking buddies back on base". I mean it was stated that troopers go thru mindwipes and conditioning. Not a whole lot of wiggle room on personal relationships.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I guess if you were saying it's not believable that the Resistance is flying the same old shit, then I disagree.
If you're saying it's too bad we didn't see any new ships, then OK, that's a good point. I guess the classic X-Wing is iconic, so maybe that's why they didn't change it? If I'm remembering correctly, the X-Wings stayed constant throughout the original trilogy while the TIE Fighters were tweaked from film to film? I may be misremembering though.
If you're saying it's too bad we didn't see any new ships, then OK, that's a good point. I guess the classic X-Wing is iconic, so maybe that's why they didn't change it? If I'm remembering correctly, the X-Wings stayed constant throughout the original trilogy while the TIE Fighters were tweaked from film to film? I may be misremembering though.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Ive seen this comment a few times now. That Finn had some relationship with the fallen trooper. I think people are reading too much into this. Wasnt Finn having a moral crisis and saw a human being gunned down for "nothing". I feel it was just basic human empathy and not some elaborate "we were drinking buddies back on base". I mean it was stated that troopers go thru mindwipes and conditioning. Not a whole lot of wiggle room on personal relationships.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
The State of the Galaxy in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Some quick summaries of all the different political groups in the universe taken from Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary.
http://nerdist.com/the-state-of-the-...force-awakens/
Some quick summaries of all the different political groups in the universe taken from Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
If they don't charge an arm and a leg for it, give the 3D a shot.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I don't mind 3D more or less (actually, a little less...), but when 3D costs $5-$8 more than 2D, it can fuck right the hell off!
#808
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I went in completely spoiler free (didn't even know Adam Driver was playing Kylo) so it was a "holy shit, he's just a kid" moment for me.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
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Ive seen this comment a few times now. That Finn had some relationship with the fallen trooper. I think people are reading too much into this. Wasnt Finn having a moral crisis and saw a human being gunned down for "nothing". I feel it was just basic human empathy and not some elaborate "we were drinking buddies back on base". I mean it was stated that troopers go thru mindwipes and conditioning. Not a whole lot of wiggle room on personal relationships.
Does anyone elses eyes cross when you start reading character names in text? Ren/Finn/Rey all become a blur. No real cool names this go round.
Does anyone elses eyes cross when you start reading character names in text? Ren/Finn/Rey all become a blur. No real cool names this go round.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Other than 'list-icles,' I don't know that I've ever seen a more blatant example of click-bait in my life. Kudos for originality, I guess.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I'm hopeful for Episode VIII being better than this one as Rian Johnson is actually a great director whereas Abram is merely good (at best). But I am deeply apprehensive about episode IX as Trevorrow is a straight up bad director.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
My oldest son (13) and I finally seen it yesterday, twice! My wife and him just left to go see it today.
Loved it, absolutely fucking loved it. Not ESB, but still awesome.
Both viewings were 3D, not the greatest 3D but better than a lot of other movies we've seen.
Both showings were almost a full crowd. We went early and the first showing was full of old people. Was really surprised that all these old folks would see a 3d and pay more for it. The highlight of that was when Kylo took his helmet off the first time, they all laughed at the reveal. Actually felt bad for driver, great actor and his look really really fits this roll. Highlight of second time seeing it, filled with pussy. Love that SW and comics are the in thing to be cool for all these people who only are into fads.
I only have one problem with the film. We already seen Rey jump from a distance to a rope, a rope that showed she had to climb very high. Seen her save BB. See her fight two thugs who are trying to steal BB, then knock Finn on his ass right after. And we see that she survives on her own. THEN we have to hear TWICE in one minute, of her yelling at Finn for grabbing her hand and run with her. We already knew she was a strong female character, but that shit about the hand holding was overkill and beating you over the head with it. We get it, we have seen multiple times how strong she is, you don't actually have to spell it out. It's something Joss Whedon and his stupid fans would love and finger their assholes over. Plus you had the Captain of the troopers is "female", regular female troopers, and female deck officers. And no I'm not complaining like others have about a female lead. I liked her, I'm just bitching about if you have to spell it out after the fact of her doing amazing shit already defeats the whole thing. I don't know, but it stuck out like a sore thumb after she just kicked 3 guys asses.
Other than that stupid minute, it was great. Will be seeing it much more.
Has anyone read the new books/comics that have been out? Just wondering about the First Order. No explanation of how they have all this power, especially if they are stealing all these babies. Maybe it's because the SW universe is so big and the Empire was everywhere, that it really didn't matter in ROTJ that the rebels blew up the Death star and Emperor died. Kind of like the Thrawn books, where they were on the other side of the galaxy and had no idea of what was going on Endor.
Loved it, absolutely fucking loved it. Not ESB, but still awesome.
Both viewings were 3D, not the greatest 3D but better than a lot of other movies we've seen.
Both showings were almost a full crowd. We went early and the first showing was full of old people. Was really surprised that all these old folks would see a 3d and pay more for it. The highlight of that was when Kylo took his helmet off the first time, they all laughed at the reveal. Actually felt bad for driver, great actor and his look really really fits this roll. Highlight of second time seeing it, filled with pussy. Love that SW and comics are the in thing to be cool for all these people who only are into fads.
I only have one problem with the film. We already seen Rey jump from a distance to a rope, a rope that showed she had to climb very high. Seen her save BB. See her fight two thugs who are trying to steal BB, then knock Finn on his ass right after. And we see that she survives on her own. THEN we have to hear TWICE in one minute, of her yelling at Finn for grabbing her hand and run with her. We already knew she was a strong female character, but that shit about the hand holding was overkill and beating you over the head with it. We get it, we have seen multiple times how strong she is, you don't actually have to spell it out. It's something Joss Whedon and his stupid fans would love and finger their assholes over. Plus you had the Captain of the troopers is "female", regular female troopers, and female deck officers. And no I'm not complaining like others have about a female lead. I liked her, I'm just bitching about if you have to spell it out after the fact of her doing amazing shit already defeats the whole thing. I don't know, but it stuck out like a sore thumb after she just kicked 3 guys asses.
Other than that stupid minute, it was great. Will be seeing it much more.
Has anyone read the new books/comics that have been out? Just wondering about the First Order. No explanation of how they have all this power, especially if they are stealing all these babies. Maybe it's because the SW universe is so big and the Empire was everywhere, that it really didn't matter in ROTJ that the rebels blew up the Death star and Emperor died. Kind of like the Thrawn books, where they were on the other side of the galaxy and had no idea of what was going on Endor.
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#816
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I guess I always assumed that the next high ranking Imperial officer would have just taken over after the Death Star II was destroyed and Vader and Emperor Palpatine were gone. The Empire seemed like a pretty far reaching thing so I doubt that there weren't other outposts or leaders within it that would have taken over.
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#819
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I guess I always assumed that the next high ranking Imperial officer would have just taken over after the Death Star II was destroyed and Vader and Emperor Palpatine were gone. The Empire seemed like a pretty far reaching thing so I doubt that there weren't other outposts or leaders within it that would have taken over.
Why do we need some context? Because the last time we saw the Star Wars galaxy the Empire had fallen - see the celebrations in the streets of Coruscant in the Special Edition - but now we're right back in what looks exactly, completely like the political context of the first Star Wars movie. There's an evil Nazi-like Empire running around and there are good guy Rebels in a hidden base. Not only is like nothing changed since Jedi, it's like we went back in time to the first film. But it's not quite so simple.
A little history: the Galactic Civil War didn't exactly end with the Battle of Endor. While that was the decisive turning point, it seems to have gone on for one more year, with the final final battle happening at Jakku. The Rebels formed the New Republic while the shattered remains of the Empire limped out to the Outer Rim, where you can easily disappear. It's wild space out there. Think of it like the Nazis who escaped to Argentina.
The Rebels set up the New Republic and, for reasons that escape me, established their capitol in the Hosnian System, on Hosnian Prime. While I get that Palpatine probably stunk up Coruscant, that planet was the seat of power of the Old Republic as well - I don't quite know why they moved. Maybe it's so that when Starkiller Base blows up a planet it isn't Coruscant, even though the planet blown up in The Force Awakens looks, for all intents and purposes, like Coruscant.
While the New Republic was getting back into the business of being a democratic society - ie, a lot of bickering and fighting and stalemates and poltical nonsense - the shards of the Empire were reforming on the Outer Rim under the guidance of the mysterious Supreme Leader Snoke. Most in the New Republic ignore the growing menace of the First Order, but not Leia - after all, the Organas have a history of seeing bad shit coming down the pike. She pleads with the New Republic to deal with the FIrst Order, but everybody thinks she's overreacting; finally she's able to convince the powers-that-be to let her go off and lead a small resistance group which she then imaginatively names The Resistance. Basically this is like when the US sends advisors and some money and weapons to support an insurgent group in a communist (or now Islamic) country. The New Republic isn't fighting the war - the logo of The Resistance is pointedly the same as the logo of the Rebel Alliance, not The New Republic (which, to be fair, is pretty similar anyway) - but they're kind of fighting a proxy war led by Leia.
That's the basic set up; when The First Order blows up Hosnian Prime it's basically like a terrorist group going after the US because it has supported fighters in their home region. It's an extravagant move, of course, but The First Order, influenced greatly by the Empire, seems to think big.
When it's all laid out it's simple, but the movie really obfuscates it, leaving many people to scratch their head in confusion about the exact state of the galaxy at the opening of The Force Awakens. The true mystery - one that doesn't feel like a storytelling fumble - is just who and what Supreme Leader Snoke is. It seems clear that his recruitment of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren was a turning point in the struggle for The Resistance - this must be why they need Luke Skywalker so badly. But what role Snoke played in the formation of the First Order and how he turned Ben Solo are stories that remain to be told. The rest of this stuff was simply inconveniently hidden in books (many of them young reader novels, no less!).
A little history: the Galactic Civil War didn't exactly end with the Battle of Endor. While that was the decisive turning point, it seems to have gone on for one more year, with the final final battle happening at Jakku. The Rebels formed the New Republic while the shattered remains of the Empire limped out to the Outer Rim, where you can easily disappear. It's wild space out there. Think of it like the Nazis who escaped to Argentina.
The Rebels set up the New Republic and, for reasons that escape me, established their capitol in the Hosnian System, on Hosnian Prime. While I get that Palpatine probably stunk up Coruscant, that planet was the seat of power of the Old Republic as well - I don't quite know why they moved. Maybe it's so that when Starkiller Base blows up a planet it isn't Coruscant, even though the planet blown up in The Force Awakens looks, for all intents and purposes, like Coruscant.
While the New Republic was getting back into the business of being a democratic society - ie, a lot of bickering and fighting and stalemates and poltical nonsense - the shards of the Empire were reforming on the Outer Rim under the guidance of the mysterious Supreme Leader Snoke. Most in the New Republic ignore the growing menace of the First Order, but not Leia - after all, the Organas have a history of seeing bad shit coming down the pike. She pleads with the New Republic to deal with the FIrst Order, but everybody thinks she's overreacting; finally she's able to convince the powers-that-be to let her go off and lead a small resistance group which she then imaginatively names The Resistance. Basically this is like when the US sends advisors and some money and weapons to support an insurgent group in a communist (or now Islamic) country. The New Republic isn't fighting the war - the logo of The Resistance is pointedly the same as the logo of the Rebel Alliance, not The New Republic (which, to be fair, is pretty similar anyway) - but they're kind of fighting a proxy war led by Leia.
That's the basic set up; when The First Order blows up Hosnian Prime it's basically like a terrorist group going after the US because it has supported fighters in their home region. It's an extravagant move, of course, but The First Order, influenced greatly by the Empire, seems to think big.
When it's all laid out it's simple, but the movie really obfuscates it, leaving many people to scratch their head in confusion about the exact state of the galaxy at the opening of The Force Awakens. The true mystery - one that doesn't feel like a storytelling fumble - is just who and what Supreme Leader Snoke is. It seems clear that his recruitment of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren was a turning point in the struggle for The Resistance - this must be why they need Luke Skywalker so badly. But what role Snoke played in the formation of the First Order and how he turned Ben Solo are stories that remain to be told. The rest of this stuff was simply inconveniently hidden in books (many of them young reader novels, no less!).
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I want to say the typical 3D markup is about $3 around here but I haven't paid that much attention.
Both showings were almost a full crowd. We went early and the first showing was full of old people. Was really surprised that all these old folks would see a 3d and pay more for it. The highlight of that was when Kylo took his helmet off the first time, they all laughed at the reveal. Actually felt bad for driver, great actor and his look really really fits this roll. Highlight of second time seeing it, filled with pussy. Love that SW and comics are the in thing to be cool for all these people who only are into fads.
I only have one problem with the film. We already seen Rey jump from a distance to a rope, a rope that showed she had to climb very high. Seen her save BB. See her fight two thugs who are trying to steal BB, then knock Finn on his ass right after. And we see that she survives on her own. THEN we have to hear TWICE in one minute, of her yelling at Finn for grabbing her hand and run with her. We already knew she was a strong female character, but that shit about the hand holding was overkill and beating you over the head with it. We get it, we have seen multiple times how strong she is, you don't actually have to spell it out. It's something Joss Whedon and his stupid fans would love and finger their assholes over. Plus you had the Captain of the troopers is "female", regular female troopers, and female deck officers. And no I'm not complaining like others have about a female lead. I liked her, I'm just bitching about if you have to spell it out after the fact of her doing amazing shit already defeats the whole thing. I don't know, but it stuck out like a sore thumb after she just kicked 3 guys asses.
I only have one problem with the film. We already seen Rey jump from a distance to a rope, a rope that showed she had to climb very high. Seen her save BB. See her fight two thugs who are trying to steal BB, then knock Finn on his ass right after. And we see that she survives on her own. THEN we have to hear TWICE in one minute, of her yelling at Finn for grabbing her hand and run with her. We already knew she was a strong female character, but that shit about the hand holding was overkill and beating you over the head with it. We get it, we have seen multiple times how strong she is, you don't actually have to spell it out. It's something Joss Whedon and his stupid fans would love and finger their assholes over. Plus you had the Captain of the troopers is "female", regular female troopers, and female deck officers. And no I'm not complaining like others have about a female lead. I liked her, I'm just bitching about if you have to spell it out after the fact of her doing amazing shit already defeats the whole thing. I don't know, but it stuck out like a sore thumb after she just kicked 3 guys asses.
Maybe I misheard, but (I thought) the first time Rey said something along the lines of "don't grab my hand" while the second time she asked "WHY are you always grabbing my hand?" (Which I thought was funny in that context.)
If they wanted to beat us over the head with Phasma, she wouldn't have kept her helmet on.
I guess I always assumed that the next high ranking Imperial officer would have just taken over after the Death Star II was destroyed and Vader and Emperor Palpatine were gone. The Empire seemed like a pretty far reaching thing so I doubt that there weren't other outposts or leaders within it that would have taken over.
I didn't notice, but then I commented earlier on that I barely noticed the score at all. I even tried to focus on the score the second time around and still don't recall anything that stuck out or was memorable.
#821
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah, other then Rey's theme... and the OT themes... nothing really stood out to me. Not even sure if there was a 'First Order march'... I can understand Williams score still being fantastic in a more nuanced way, I just expected some new themes to stick out more/be more obvious. Just got the soundtrack, maybe a few listens of that will change my mind...
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Nothing I can say that hasn't been said already... (did I really just read through all of this??)
Loved it while being slightly disappointed at the same time (mainly with the last act similarities to the OT). But it was still a really good movie, and I loved the new cast.
Adam Driver was top notch in this. Intimidating with the mask on, somehow both intimidating AND vulnerable with the mask off.
Everything with BB-8 was really just, well, incredible. I found myself watching him in every scene he was in. Hauling ass to the falcon, traversing bumpy forrest terrain - and going down a damn set of stairs may have been the best scene of his. Just great design.
Seriously, though, wtf was up with phasma? Nothing but show, then she caves at the first threat. I think phasma should have been the one to battle with the baton/saber with Finn - set her up as a credible physical threat. Yeah, I know that guy got blasted, but they could just as easily have had her just get incapacitated somehow.
Loved it while being slightly disappointed at the same time (mainly with the last act similarities to the OT). But it was still a really good movie, and I loved the new cast.
Adam Driver was top notch in this. Intimidating with the mask on, somehow both intimidating AND vulnerable with the mask off.
Everything with BB-8 was really just, well, incredible. I found myself watching him in every scene he was in. Hauling ass to the falcon, traversing bumpy forrest terrain - and going down a damn set of stairs may have been the best scene of his. Just great design.
Seriously, though, wtf was up with phasma? Nothing but show, then she caves at the first threat. I think phasma should have been the one to battle with the baton/saber with Finn - set her up as a credible physical threat. Yeah, I know that guy got blasted, but they could just as easily have had her just get incapacitated somehow.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
The Rey female empowerment didn't bother me one bit. I have 3 daughters, and I love that they can see a bad ass female presence in one of my favorite set of films (Leia had her moments in the OT, but was often in the background)
The hand-holding thing, I took more as humor - it's is pretty funny how male leads often do that in movies. As if women are physically incapable of running unless they're being directed/dragged along.
The hand-holding thing, I took more as humor - it's is pretty funny how male leads often do that in movies. As if women are physically incapable of running unless they're being directed/dragged along.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I strongly suspect some Phasma scenes ended up on the cutting room floor for the sake of pacing. I have to believe there was an actual scene shot of her "reindoctrinating" Finn and showing her menace that didn't make the final cut. Such a scene would make Finn's "now I'm in charge" lines carry more emotional weight in addition to being as humorous as they are in the final cut.