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Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread — SPOILERS
#1401
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
That's exactly why I assumed his role was originally supposed to be bigger. As it is, I'm perfectly fine with him being a secondary character. I don't really need to know any more about Poe than what we already know. I just thought the way they wrote him back into the story was really sloppy and took me out of the movie a bit. As I watched it I couldn't help but think about what went on behind the scenes with that character. Part of that is on me and my expectations for the character just based on the actor playing the part and part of that is on JJ for trying to pull a fast one on the audience. The fact that the character isn't really meaningful to the story other than "he's cool," makes it kind of a double bummer. I didn't feel like the positives of bringing him back outweighed the negative from a narrative standpoint.
#1402
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
i always thought that was to prevent getting separated rather than getting the person to run faster
#1403
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I would think that if you are leading someone from danger and you have to cut right or left really fast, they cut with you.
Last edited by Spiderbite; 01-05-16 at 01:43 PM. Reason: HN beat me to it.
#1404
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Saw it again last night. Appreciating the score a lot more, that soundtrack is growing on me.
A moment I truly appreciate: when Finn runs through Maz's castle rubble and shouts, "REY!" as Kylo Ren's ship takes off, not only is it a great moment of emotional acting from John Boyega, I really appreciate the sheer enormity of that real life set. It really feels like he's there and it's a massive set. So awesome!
Had an odd thought, dunno if it holds any water, but it's not any crazier than the other Snoke theories out there:
Agreed. For all the people who complain about this, I'd love to see someone compile a super cut of all the instances in which a male character takes a female character's hand so they can run away in a chase. I bet it happens so much we're conditioned to not even notice it anymore. But when a character actively points out that she doesn't want that, suddenly some people are upset? Please, let it go.
Also agreed. Many of the side characters felt like they had story behind them, like they lived in that world. Think about that docking bay commander on the Death Star in ROTJ who says, "Inform the commander that Lord Vader's shuttle has arrived." What's his story? WHO CARES?! Now think about that Lieutenant who abandons his post as he watches the TIE Fighter launch pad break up. He backs away, has a panicky look, and leaves, and when told to get back to his post and he says, "We'll never survive! Even Hux is gone!" What's his story? He tried hard and now he's scared; the bravado tactics of the First Order are flimsy at best. TONS of story in that one moment.
He's the only new actor I knew going into TFA and that was because he played a side character in Drive.
A moment I truly appreciate: when Finn runs through Maz's castle rubble and shouts, "REY!" as Kylo Ren's ship takes off, not only is it a great moment of emotional acting from John Boyega, I really appreciate the sheer enormity of that real life set. It really feels like he's there and it's a massive set. So awesome!
Had an odd thought, dunno if it holds any water, but it's not any crazier than the other Snoke theories out there:
Spoiler:
It may not be so much of forcing it down your throat type of thing but i did enjoy Rey's line when they were running on Jakku... “I know how to run without you holding my hand.”
Not some super feminist line or whatever but it was nice to see that Rey was her own person and not falling into a damsel role. Not that the marketing showed that but... mainstream films love that damsel in distress shit.
Not some super feminist line or whatever but it was nice to see that Rey was her own person and not falling into a damsel role. Not that the marketing showed that but... mainstream films love that damsel in distress shit.
He's the only new actor I knew going into TFA and that was because he played a side character in Drive.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
And also cuz they may not run as fast.
The guy is usually much more capable than the gal. Here it moves back and forth a bit but Rey is stronger person. She's a survivor.
That whole situation w/ Rey was literally my favorite moment in VII cuz she was calling out the cliche and and she was realistically capable of handling herself. Not some overblown badass.
Last edited by Solid Snake; 01-05-16 at 03:46 PM.
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#1412
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
But, that being said, Rey (Daisy) is the show stealer here. Such an engaging portrayal. Loved the little subtle looks and body language she used.
I never really thought I'd get another Star Wars movie I'd love in my lifetime (While I don't totally disregard the prequels, they weren't what I was hoping for).
#1413
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
"Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth??"
"This is the Millenium Falcon? YOU'RE Han Solo?"
"So the Jedi were real"
#1415
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
And if that's the reason, then why aren't guys holding each others hands when running? The two could separate just as easily when one cuts without the other. It's dumb.
#1416
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Your 2-year old has the intelligence of a 2-year old. A grown woman knows how to "stay together". And yes, as stated above, two guys never hold each others hands (and a woman never leads a man by the hand) when running away when the odds of getting separated is just as high. It's a sexist trope that has become so engrained in us that people actually question it as odd when a woman shows some strength in a survival situation.
#1417
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Solid Snake's point about loosely concealing her MAIN role for a surprise is well taken (though the main poster is hardly subtle), but it's still a pity that the marketing machine has - yet again, c.f. Black Widow - largely failed to market toys "for girls". Nevermind that all toy audiences will want the main character(s) either for playing/re-enacting or display. A little disappointed in Disney for that.
Last edited by ntnon; 01-05-16 at 09:11 PM.
#1418
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Ultimately, the way they handled Poe felt pretty sloppy. It's not a huge deal on its own, but there were enough of those sorts of little script issues that collectively it took the film down a notch for me. It's weird, but the script for TFA somehow feels simultaneously underwritten and overwritten. I'd love to see a longer cut or something like the annotated screenplays book where we can see how the script developed. Unfortunately I doubt we'll get either.
Does the Disney/Marvel-style slipcased book go into detail on script changes alongside the early art, or not?
#1419
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Seems to be, but that was the feeling here, too.
#1420
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
That would have made things a little less... either coincidental/convenient or plot-hole-y. Him being involved in the X-Wing attacks made me think that this is how everyone in the SW universe must have felt about Luke: someone we don't know, with few credentials other than "best pilot ever" drafted in to save the day, (despite Poe's only on-screen exploits being "getting captured" and "crashing"..)!
#1421
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Spoiler:
#1422
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
A female view of the female hero - by Sarah Maria Griffin, here - says this about the hand-holding:
Finn takes her hand. She scolds him, twice – why does he keep doing that – then, when she realises (when we realise) it’s not just mere flirtation, but that his experience has earned him an understanding of how large-scale attacks work: she takes his hand instead. She won’t be led anywhere. They’ll be working in tandem.
#1423
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#1424
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
off topic, but my triplets turn 7 tomorrow and they all wanted Star Wars cakes. I spent all night decorating these fuckers from scratch. not too shabby if I do say so myself. Carry on.