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Old 12-18-15 | 10:09 AM
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There was that plus the fact that he's 32 and looks 22. How exactly did this dude get put in charge of the <del>Empire</del> First Order? Was the First Order supposed to be some sort of Hitler Youth deal run by young people?
It can be a fine line between your your 20s and 30s. I'm in my thirties and have been told I look like I'm in my twenties by most new people I meet. Plus I've seen this actor in prior roles, so I knew he couldn't possibly be that young.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I was under the impression this "9 chapter" story was strictly about the main skywalker group and the later movies were always meant to focus on their children hence everyone related
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My biggest complaint about this movie is it needed more Phasma. Goddamn that character looks so cool! I wanted her to just be on the screen more to see that glorious chrome armor.
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Not sure why there's much complaints about not being fully introduced to characters or not feeling like there was all that much world building. It did as much world building and introduction to characters as A New Hope did. I mean, maybe slightly less "togetherness" with Poe, but enough to get the point on that.
I'm going to play both sides of this ... We were introduced to a number of "new" worlds and a interesting variety of background creatures to inhabit them. However there was very little "world building" going on. In fact, only Jakku had any real "world building" in the story and it was actually more focused on building Rey's backstory than on making the environment a character.

Originally Posted by Rex Power Colt-Robot Man
Finn spouting off a "n****/robot please!" was baffling in a Star Wars flick. I have no clue how Adam WhatsHisFace got that nose and flowing locks shoved into that EmoVader helmet. But hey, at least we got a new fat X-Wing pilot. So theres that.
I missed the Finn line and I find it hard to believe that would have slipped by ... (edited to add -- sorry, I thought you meant he actually used that term; I misunderstood.) While Finn works most of the time, some of his humor is a bit dated to today. I'll echo your thoughts on the hair and the fat pilot though. Was he somebody?

Originally Posted by boredsilly
Surprised so many like Adam Driver. I didn't care for his take on a Sith Lord at all. Everything about Kylo Ren, save for the dope name, didn't really work for me. He didn't have the regalness or gravitas of Vader (granted they weren't going for that), he wasn't as badass as Maul, didn't look as cool as nearly any of the Sith Lords that I am aware of...just not my favorite thing about this movie.
We don't quite have enough backstory, but I don't think he is intended to be any of those things yet. He is the evil version of young Luke -- temperamental, arrogant, inexperienced, and prone to moments of irrationality. He is what Anakin was supposed to be in the PT. He isn't a Sith Lord, he's a brat who idolizes his grampa as a badass. I don't think we know his motivations yet (or I missed them) but I think this character could really evolve into something as we get the backstory and his future development.
Old 12-18-15 | 10:21 AM
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I am so glad they didn't

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Kill Kylo at the end of the movie. That's another thing the prequels fucked up - killing Maul at the end of the first movie. I much prefer a baddie who sticks around.

I actually liked Ren's character. We didn't need another Darth Vader. I liked the idea of someone who was obviously powerful but not perfect in his evilness. I've never been a huge fan of Vader's redemption at the end of Jedi. There weren't enough moments telegraphed beforehand to earn that and just a few moments before he was beating on Luke with his lightsaber hard enough that one mistake on Luke's part and Vader would have cut him in two. Kylo seemed more unsure of himself, especially when Han touched Ren's face as he was dying.

He was exactly like I pictured Jacen Solo in the Expanded Universe books so it totally worked for me.


As for Rey and Finn's
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lightsaber skills - they seemed like they were just barely holding it together and these are people that actually had weapons training prior to picking one up. I think the bigger issue is Luke doing as well as he did against Vader in Empire. I realize the prequels fuck everything up but Anakin was a MASTER with the lightsaber. He technically should have been able to cut Luke down in seconds.
I don't know, I think Vader was obsessed with finding Luke since he found out that he was his son, and whatever motivations he had for doing that, I think deep down he cared for him, but was too consumed with the Dark Side until he almost killed his son. There was that telepathic exchange at the end of Empire where it seemed Vader was relieved he was still alive, that he cared. Maybe I'm reading into that scene, but it seemed to be the point as far as I could tell.

Anakin as Darth Vader was mostly machine parts, and wouldn't have the quickness he once possessed before being left for dead by Obi Wan. While still strong with the force, we wasn't as strong, which is why the Emperor wanted to replace Vader with Luke.
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We don't quite have enough backstory, but I don't think he is intended to be any of those things yet. He is the evil version of young Luke -- temperamental, arrogant, inexperienced, and prone to moments of irrationality. He is what Anakin was supposed to be in the PT. He isn't a Sith Lord, he's a brat who idolizes his grampa as a badass. I don't think we know his motivations yet (or I missed them) but I think this character could really evolve into something as we get the backstory and his future development.
Yeah, that's totally fair. I could definitely be looking for something that isn't supposed to be their simply because of how the character looks. Still didn't love the performance, but some of that other things I dinged about Kylo definitely could be on me.
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Saw it last night and loved it.

Kylo:

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I didn't mind that he got beat by Rey towards the end. I think you can guess from the story bits that he was an apprentice to Skywalker and got turned by Snoke. There is nothing that said he was an expert or sith lord...he just happened to be better than everyone without the Force. Stopping Poe's blaster in the beginning was great.
Also, when he is having his crisis of faith and asks Vader to show him the dark, this played right into when he was talking to Han. I think he was serious about giving up the saber and going with him except that was the same moment Starkiller drained the sun and things went dark. I also think this is the moment where Snoke believes fully in him now and so mentioned at the end that he can now further? complete? his training.


Finn:
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I think he was able to hold his own a bit against Kylo as he has been trained his whole life to fight. So it makes sense.


Rey:
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I think she was able to handle Kylo because again, he is not an expert yet and we saw in the very beginning she has some fighting skill when she beat down the two guys trying to steal BB-8


Not sure if this needs spoilers or not...in regards to BB-8
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I thought it was hilarious when he purred. He purrs like a cat and wiggles around when he is trying to convince Rey to keep him and then he does it again when she decides not to sell him to the alien guy behind the counter


Oh and with regards to the trailer:
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the whole "who are you?" "I am no one" wasn't in there. Instead the character asks Finn "who are you" and I don't recall Rey ever saying "i am no one"
Old 12-18-15 | 10:23 AM
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It can be a fine line between your your 20s and 30s. I'm in my thirties and have been told I look like I'm in my twenties by most new people I meet. Plus I've seen this actor in prior roles, so I knew he couldn't possibly be that young.
It's less about how old he actually is and more about his screen presence and whether or not he's believable in the role. In this case he was not believable in the role. Either that or the role was really ill-conceived. Because we don't really know anything about the First Order, it's kind of hard to know.
Old 12-18-15 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
It's less about how old he actually is and more about his screen presence and whether or not he's believable in the role. In this case he was not believable in the role. Either that or the role was really ill-conceived. Because we don't really know anything about the First Order, it's kind of hard to know.
He was spot on about Kylo Ren's numerous mistakes. I'd say he was more than believable in his role.
Old 12-18-15 | 10:25 AM
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I read a theory awhile back that I liked about Kylo Ren.

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Essentially it said that The Knights of Ren came to Luke's school when he wasn't around, killing almost everyone. Ben claims to be Luke's child to save Rey from being taken. Rey is then put into hiding.
Old 12-18-15 | 10:31 AM
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Ren certainly seemed interested in the girl from Jakku earlier in the film IIRC. Seems like he knows something about her.
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
I'll echo your thoughts on the hair and the fat pilot though. Was he somebody?
That was Greg Grunberg, JJ's best friend from childhood... so of course he was given a featured cameo.
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regarding rey Jedi powers. I think there's more to say in regards to her Jedi powers then just being a quick learner. I think I recall her having strong Jedi mind powers force even before. touching the lightsaber so my question is how did she get those mind powers to try to fight off kylo when he was trying to extract information from her brain.
I hope that all the questions we have. Be explained.
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yes I did love the movie I gave it 4 out of 5 stars just because of the plot holes that were left open and the problem with me being so skilled of the Jedi so quickly with no training
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Maybe I'm wrong but I was under the impression this "9 chapter" story was strictly about the main skywalker group and the later movies were always meant to focus on their children hence everyone related
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I guess for me it's less about everyone being related, and more about the random connections between people who suddenly bump into each other despite being on complete opposite ends of the galaxy.

If Rey really is Luke's daughter then Rey randomly runs into a droid on the run from her evil cousin and then happens to escape from that evil cousin in her uncle's long lost ship only then to come across said uncle during her escape. And oh by the way, the droid she ran into that started this whole thing happens to be carrying the secret map which tells the location of her long lost father? That's the kind of stuff I'm sick of.
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‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ had a record-breaking preview night of $57M.

The previous record of $43.5M was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
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I guess for me it's less about everyone being related, and more about the random connections between people who suddenly bump into each other despite being on complete opposite ends of the galaxy.

If Rey really is Luke's daughter then Rey randomly runs into a droid on the run from her evil cousin and then happens to escape from that evil cousin in her uncle's long lost ship only then to come across said uncle during her escape. And oh by the way, the droid she ran into that started this whole thing happens to be carrying the secret map which tells the location of her long lost father? That's the kind of stuff I'm sick of.
It's a small galaxy after all, it's a small galaxy after all...
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Coruscant blown up. Take that, prequels!

It would be hilarious if Snoke is just 2" tall and uses the giantass hologram for intimidation a la Wizard of Oz.
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Coruscant blown up. Take that, prequels!

It would be hilarious if Snoke is just 2" tall and uses the giantass hologram for intimidation a la Wizard of Oz.
that's funny!
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What The Force Awakens gets right that the prequels got wrong: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/18...akens-prequels
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Did anyone else notice the cameo of
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Rama & Mad Dog from The Raid movies
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Did anyone else notice the cameo of
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I did. I'm pretty sure their casting was announced in advance. Though, they are another example of wasted talent, IMO.
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
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I guess for me it's less about everyone being related, and more about the random connections between people who suddenly bump into each other despite being on complete opposite ends of the galaxy.

If Rey really is Luke's daughter then Rey randomly runs into a droid on the run from her evil cousin and then happens to escape from that evil cousin in her uncle's long lost ship only then to come across said uncle during her escape. And oh by the way, the droid she ran into that started this whole thing happens to be carrying the secret map which tells the location of her long lost father? That's the kind of stuff I'm sick of.
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And they just happen to make a pit stop at the very location where the Skywalker lightsaber is being held in a trunk in the basement. If we're going to call the prequels out on all these lame coincidences, let's not give this flick a pass. Oh, wait... it was the will of the Force (the force of lazy screenwriting).

Originally Posted by GuessWho
Coruscant blown up. Take that, prequels!
Apparently that wasn't Coruscant.


Originally Posted by GuessWho
It would be hilarious if Snoke is just 2" tall and uses the giantass hologram for intimidation a la Wizard of Oz.
That would be great.

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I did. I'm pretty sure their casting was announced in advance. Though, they are another example of wasted talent, IMO.
Ahh, I stayed away from all info about this to be totally fresh for last night.
Old 12-18-15 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_b
That was Greg Grunberg, JJ's best friend from childhood... so of course he was given a featured cameo.
Was Greg also a pilot? I remember seeing him in the command room when they were working on the map.


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