Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2017, D: Martin McDonagh) S: McDormand
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I thought this was great. People (see: random internet anonymous folks) are apparently mad at Sam Rockwell for playing a racist cop who (kinda sorta) gets a little bit of redemption. People are weird.
This was one of my favourite movies of the year. Can't wait to revisit it.
This was one of my favourite movies of the year. Can't wait to revisit it.
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Liked it, didn't love it. The film kinda lost me when she firebombed the police station. Nothing in the film that preceded that would have predicted that sort of behavior and the film kinda went off the rails at that point.
Sam Rockwell -- he was okay, but totally undeserving of the Best Supporting Actor GG he just won. It felt like a total caricature and not at all a lived-in performance to me. If not for his sudden turn into compassionate person, nobody would even be discussing him come award season.
Sam Rockwell -- he was okay, but totally undeserving of the Best Supporting Actor GG he just won. It felt like a total caricature and not at all a lived-in performance to me. If not for his sudden turn into compassionate person, nobody would even be discussing him come award season.
It's sad because if you simply tone down McDormand and Rockwell's characters even a tiny bit it would've gone a LONG way to making them fully formed human beings and not the one dimensional over the top caricatures that they are.
Anyway, I think it's between Three Billboards and Shape of Water for best picture. I'm leaning Three Billboards because McDormand and Rockwell are getting Oscars and this film has the strong female lead and addresses hot topics.
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Does ‘Three Billboards’ Say Anything About America? Well …
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/m...av=bottom-well
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/m...av=bottom-well
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Does ‘Three Billboards’ Say Anything About America? Well …
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/m...av=bottom-well
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/m...av=bottom-well
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Does ‘Three Billboards’ Say Anything About America? Well …
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/m...av=bottom-well
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/m...av=bottom-well
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I saw this today. Before I run back through the last few pages and delve into any podcasts I may have skipped ... I need to get this off my chest. I may be completely off base or I may be justified, but I want to write this unbiased by other opinions.
Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri is a well-shot film with plenty of well-crafted dialogue exchanged by well-acted characters. It is garnering plenty of praise from critics and will likely bring home lots of hardware during awards season. I will admit that I laughed (it took a while for the rest of the audience to accept that it was OK to laugh) and I cried (more than once) during this tragic journey. However, those weren’t the only emotional reactions the film evoked in me ...
I’m sorry, but NO NO NO. You don’t get to be a shit-heel and then get instant redemption. You don’t get to be a sympathetic character and then act like a shit-heel and then keep going like nothing changed. Whether it is Rick Grimes on The Walking Dead or Kylo Ren in Star Wars, you don’t get to be an asshat and still be the good guy. You certainly don’t get to do it in a movie like this, yet we get not one, but TWO vile characters that we are supposed to root for as they ride off into the sunset.
In the 70s and 80s we saw the rise of bad guys to root for: Darth Vader, Michael Corleone, and Jason Voorhies. That trend continued as slasher and horror films pushed the extremes giving us evil as an antagonist. The 1990s and 2000s saw the age of the anti-hero, characters like Hannibal Lecter and Walter White. So where are we now? It feels as if we are in a place where we don’t even know what the difference is between good and bad, not just in film, but in life.
Add to this the pure lip service this film pays to racism while leaning so heavily on it as a major plot point. I am a fan of “show me, don’t tell me” in cinema. On one hand I am glad this film did not do that. I didn’t need to see the specific inhuman actions of a racist character. What I did need to see though is other actions by the character that reinforced that as a characteristic or actions of other characters that drove home this flaw. Instead, he is only seen as a bumbling, almost lovable idiot who is cruel to everybody. When a minority character is framed by him and is held in jail for days without bail, she returns out of the blue — forgiving, full of smiles and giggles and ready for the next sunrise in her world. It rings more hollow than the conversations that occur here. Just as the characters don’t get a pass, neither does this poorly crafted angle that uses the concept of racism as a crutch to prop up a story point. It is downright disrespectful.
This film evoked emotion in me, which is a hallmark of some success. However, as a calling card of the era we live in, the emotions it stirred were anger, disappointment, and disgust.
OK, a couple of actual points of discussion from the film ...
Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri is a well-shot film with plenty of well-crafted dialogue exchanged by well-acted characters. It is garnering plenty of praise from critics and will likely bring home lots of hardware during awards season. I will admit that I laughed (it took a while for the rest of the audience to accept that it was OK to laugh) and I cried (more than once) during this tragic journey. However, those weren’t the only emotional reactions the film evoked in me ...
I’m sorry, but NO NO NO. You don’t get to be a shit-heel and then get instant redemption. You don’t get to be a sympathetic character and then act like a shit-heel and then keep going like nothing changed. Whether it is Rick Grimes on The Walking Dead or Kylo Ren in Star Wars, you don’t get to be an asshat and still be the good guy. You certainly don’t get to do it in a movie like this, yet we get not one, but TWO vile characters that we are supposed to root for as they ride off into the sunset.
In the 70s and 80s we saw the rise of bad guys to root for: Darth Vader, Michael Corleone, and Jason Voorhies. That trend continued as slasher and horror films pushed the extremes giving us evil as an antagonist. The 1990s and 2000s saw the age of the anti-hero, characters like Hannibal Lecter and Walter White. So where are we now? It feels as if we are in a place where we don’t even know what the difference is between good and bad, not just in film, but in life.
Add to this the pure lip service this film pays to racism while leaning so heavily on it as a major plot point. I am a fan of “show me, don’t tell me” in cinema. On one hand I am glad this film did not do that. I didn’t need to see the specific inhuman actions of a racist character. What I did need to see though is other actions by the character that reinforced that as a characteristic or actions of other characters that drove home this flaw. Instead, he is only seen as a bumbling, almost lovable idiot who is cruel to everybody. When a minority character is framed by him and is held in jail for days without bail, she returns out of the blue — forgiving, full of smiles and giggles and ready for the next sunrise in her world. It rings more hollow than the conversations that occur here. Just as the characters don’t get a pass, neither does this poorly crafted angle that uses the concept of racism as a crutch to prop up a story point. It is downright disrespectful.
This film evoked emotion in me, which is a hallmark of some success. However, as a calling card of the era we live in, the emotions it stirred were anger, disappointment, and disgust.
OK, a couple of actual points of discussion from the film ...
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^ I think that's the point. You spent 90% of the film hating a particular character, who by all means is not redeemable, until possibly the end. I know in my case it subconsciously asked me if I could forgive the character for being a shithead. I can't answer that.
Also, who the hell knows
That's another part of the film that I liked. It's definitely not a neat and tidy little film.
Also, who the hell knows
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That's another part of the film that I liked. It's definitely not a neat and tidy little film.
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The coincidences and contrivances in this film for me were just ridiculous.
Just a few examples
Just a few examples
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In the 70s and 80s we saw the rise of bad guys to root for: Darth Vader, Michael Corleone, and Jason Voorhies. That trend continued as slasher and horror films pushed the extremes giving us evil as an antagonist. The 1990s and 2000s saw the age of the anti-hero, characters like Hannibal Lecter and Walter White. So where are we now? It feels as if we are in a place where we don’t even know what the difference is between good and bad, not just in film, but in life.
And it's why we have this guy: as our leader.
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Another thing I found rather contrived about the plot was:
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Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri...amazing. Deftly written. Brilliantly acted. Superior directing. Dark, sad, with slight bursts of comedic boldness. Unexpected. Surprising. Tragic. Powerful. Mesmerizing. A real achievement. Just excellent in every way. Somewhat hopeful, maybe.
This WILL win Best Picture. I guarantee. Sam Rockwell will win Supporting Actor. Maybe another for McDormand. Harrelson great as well.
This WILL win Best Picture. I guarantee. Sam Rockwell will win Supporting Actor. Maybe another for McDormand. Harrelson great as well.
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I'm seriously hoping for a backlash. Think it's coming, starting with that NYT article.
And this piece in Vulture : Your Guide to the Three Billboards Backlash
And this piece in Vulture : Your Guide to the Three Billboards Backlash
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Just won the SAG award.
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It won the Golden Globe and the SAG. The Oscar nominees have even been announced yet. There’s plenty of time for a backlash. Lots of early BP front-runners during the Twitter era lost steam and endured a significant backlash during the Oscar voting period. Recent examples include The Social Network, Lincoln, The Revenant, Zero Dark Thirty, Boyhood and La La Land.
It’s certainly the front runner for now. I just think a backlash is coming. Not for the plot reasons I described but because of some disturbing racial undertones that won’t sit well with voters when they hear it over and over again.
It’s certainly the front runner for now. I just think a backlash is coming. Not for the plot reasons I described but because of some disturbing racial undertones that won’t sit well with voters when they hear it over and over again.