Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1476
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Wasn't TFA at one time going to open on a shot of Luke's hand floating in space? If that's the case, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it turn up as a plot device in one way or another, especially with JJ back at it.
#1477
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
That’s what I heard too - and it would have been so, so stupid.
#1478
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1479
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
And if the evil Rey we saw is a clone, why would she be a clone of the Emperor or Luke? If she looks completely different from them, wouldn't that be considered a biologically engineered life form, as opposed to a genetic clone?
#1480
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
And if the evil Rey we saw is a clone, why would she be a clone of the Emperor or Luke? If she looks completely different from them, wouldn't that be considered a biologically engineered life form, as opposed to a genetic clone?
See also: Midichlorians - the answer no one asked for.
#1481
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The worst of the forced answers in this new trilogy is the stupid gold dice. Honest Trailers made fun of it on their take on Solo but it's ridiculous how absolutely NOBODY noticed the dice but then now Disney wants to make it significant. And then Luke gives it to Leia to remind her of Han's first girlfriend.
Last edited by tanman; 08-28-19 at 11:34 PM.
#1482
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The Solo movie captured his spirit perfectly IMO.
#1483
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Back when Zahn's books were released, this was a pretty interesting concept when you consider that the majority of fans where hungry for anything Star Wars (the prequel stuff was announced within a few years, SW POTF figures hit the shelves, etc). So when we were reading The Last Command, the whole thing was completely badass, at least from a story perspective (Hell... I was still in my teens). Other than Dark Empire, nothing in the "Clone" area had really been done.
The two most popular theories at the time were that the clones from the Clone Wars were either cloned Jedi Knights, or armies of cloned troopers (and that the Stormtroopers from the OT were clones as well). The Thrawn Trilogy used both concepts (with Joruus C'Baoth and Luuke Skywalker, and the Dark Force).
While the EU continuation of the OT quicky became a bloated, overwrought mess, at its core, I think it was a better follow up than Disney's Sequel Trilogy.
Last edited by Josh-da-man; 08-29-19 at 04:41 AM.
#1484
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Back when Zahn's books were released, this was a pretty interesting concept when you consider that the majority of fans where hungry for anything Star Wars (the prequel stuff was announced within a few years, SW POTF figures hit the shelves, etc). So when we were reading The Last Command, the whole thing was completely badass, at least from a story perspective (Hell... I was still in my teens). Other than Dark Empire, nothing in the "Clone" area had really been done.
Now... years later, after all the bullshit, clones, prequels, sequels, animated series, Di$ney... yeah.... it does sound pretty stupid.
Now... years later, after all the bullshit, clones, prequels, sequels, animated series, Di$ney... yeah.... it does sound pretty stupid.
I mean in all honesty it’s not the worst scenario and in my mind plays out just as well as anything else a person could come up with. I also think the important thing is that this would find a way to link everything together fully. I can see where written out it may not sound like the best idea, but at the same point Palpatine was also behind bringing Anakin to exist. Regardless of how well those films played out the plot of using a clone that he’s created with DNA from the same Skywalker bloodline, which he knows to be powerful with the Force to me gels together for a plot that I could see him devising.
Last edited by Mike86; 08-29-19 at 04:24 AM.
#1485
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I imagined a pre-ANH Han Solo to have been more like the guy killing Greedo like it's nothing and calmly walking away who gradually softens up by the time Luke and Obi-Wan meet with him. In Solo: A Star Wars Story he's pretty much already the guy we see coming back to save Luke at end of a ANH.
#1486
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#1489
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I honestly don't remember a goddamned thing about Solo, and that's it's main problem, that's it's so forgettable.
I was just guessing that it was left open for a sequel.
I was just guessing that it was left open for a sequel.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The worst of the forced answers in this new trilogy is the stupid gold dice. Honest Trailers made fun of it on their take on Solo but it's ridiculous how absolutely NOBODY noticed the dice but then now Disney wants to make it significant. And then Luke gives it to Leia to remind her of Han's first girlfriend.
#1491
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I can see that but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad. I think a lot of people didn’t really give it a fair chance and went in expecting to hate it for one reason or another.
#1492
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think Solo is the most lame, pointless, by the numbers Star Wars film.
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Lord and Miller version. Those guys have yet to make a bad film IMO.
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Lord and Miller version. Those guys have yet to make a bad film IMO.
#1493
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I imagined a pre-ANH Han Solo to have been more like the guy killing Greedo like it's nothing and calmly walking away who gradually softens up by the time Luke and Obi-Wan meet with him. In Solo: A Star Wars Story he's pretty much already the guy we see coming back to save Luke at end of a ANH.
#1494
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
In ANH we see Han blast Greedo but he's a clear and present danger. With Luke and Obi Wan, he tolerates their nonsense because he knows they're not out to get him. He even comes back at the end of the movie to help out. I don't think the characterization in "Solo" was too far off. He's got a rough side, but he was never really a "bad" guy.
Though I do admit the movie could have used a little more of the original Lord and Miller version. Ron Howard isn't a bad director, but it didn't feel really special.
Now Rogue One is the best of the new four and I will die on that hill. If TROS can recapture some of that OT mojo that R1 has, then we'll be in for a fun ride at the very least.
I'm betting on Dark Rey simply being a vision. Even in those few seconds, it feels so much like Luke's cave vision on Dagobah.
Though I do admit the movie could have used a little more of the original Lord and Miller version. Ron Howard isn't a bad director, but it didn't feel really special.
Now Rogue One is the best of the new four and I will die on that hill. If TROS can recapture some of that OT mojo that R1 has, then we'll be in for a fun ride at the very least.
I'm betting on Dark Rey simply being a vision. Even in those few seconds, it feels so much like Luke's cave vision on Dagobah.
#1495
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
And the robot rebellion on the highly disappointing Kessel was cute.
I like robots.
#1496
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I really enjoyed Solo as it's just a fun/adventure movie that harkens back to the OT movies (not as good, so don't mistake my opinion saying it's as great). I do understand that Solo is not for everyone as you have to buy Alden as Han, and I know that will be jarring for some. And the movie doesn't touch anything regarding the Force as it's more about the seedy underworld, and that appeals to me. For anyone who says 'we didn't need a Solo movie,' you could say that about any SW movie after 1977 or 1983,
As for Solo's character during the movie, this was Pre-Cynical Han we see in ANH who hasn't been through the ringer yet. The best example of his character and where he is at that stage is where he meets Enfis Nest face to face and bluffs her and than the falcon flies away (he had to eat crow and take a step back and let Woody Harlson handle the situation). In short, he wasn't Primetime Han yet. The reason the character doesn't get the depth that many expected is because the sequels never happened and you don't see that transformation to cynical Han (the plot point of Qira leaving him probably would be a main theme in Solo 2). Solo is essentially a standalone movie (much like The Original SW in 1977) that has an ending, but is set up for sequels if needed. I honestly don't want a sequel as I enjoy it as a standalone and leave it at that. In fact, I'm glad it bombed because we will never see a sequel that could taint the Original Solo, much like the Sequels and Prequels have tainted this franchise for many years now.
As for Rogue One, that's just a solid SW movie from start to finish as it has the most consistent tone since ESB. I don't love R1 because the characters aren't that great, but it's still a solid SW movie.
As for Solo's character during the movie, this was Pre-Cynical Han we see in ANH who hasn't been through the ringer yet. The best example of his character and where he is at that stage is where he meets Enfis Nest face to face and bluffs her and than the falcon flies away (he had to eat crow and take a step back and let Woody Harlson handle the situation). In short, he wasn't Primetime Han yet. The reason the character doesn't get the depth that many expected is because the sequels never happened and you don't see that transformation to cynical Han (the plot point of Qira leaving him probably would be a main theme in Solo 2). Solo is essentially a standalone movie (much like The Original SW in 1977) that has an ending, but is set up for sequels if needed. I honestly don't want a sequel as I enjoy it as a standalone and leave it at that. In fact, I'm glad it bombed because we will never see a sequel that could taint the Original Solo, much like the Sequels and Prequels have tainted this franchise for many years now.
As for Rogue One, that's just a solid SW movie from start to finish as it has the most consistent tone since ESB. I don't love R1 because the characters aren't that great, but it's still a solid SW movie.
Last edited by mcnabb; 08-29-19 at 06:28 PM.
#1498
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I don’t get the hate for Alden. Actors don’t have to be doppelgängers to portray the same character, they just need to be pretty similar and to be able to portray a similar mental space and I think Alden pulled that off.
#1499
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
But never once did I believe that was Han Solo, and it took me out of the movie. I'm not sure anybody couldn't done it justice, by Ingruber is a decent actor... looks more like a young Ford, and could sound like him too. It probably wouldn't have worked either, but IMO it would have helped.
#1500
DVD Talk Legend & 2021 TOTY Winner
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I have no hate for Alden, he was fine in the role. The movie itself however, felt boring and uninspired. It took no risks at all. Maybe Lord and Miller's version wouldn't have worked, maybe it was too radical a change, but I still would have liked to have seen it. One thing I can pretty much guarantee is that it would not have been boring.