asianxcore

Looking forward to this.

One of the few films (or Series') that I will deal with the crowds for.

gryffinmaster

brayzie

Every film has it's critics.
Implying that The Empire Strikes Back was as heavily criticized by fans as The Last Jedi seems disingenuous and just an attempt at clickbait. The last article seemed more objective.

Mike86

Even if The Empire Strikes Back was viewed as divisive I still find that comparison to be a lot different. Comparing what was at the time only the second Star Wars film made versus a film that had five other saga films, an anthology film, tv series', books/comics, and video games before it that built up the lore of the franchise and how people feel about it and it's characters is quite a bit different. Not saying fandom didn't exist back then and I realize Star Wars was a big phenomenon during that period, but I find it hard to believe the investment in the franchise in 1980 was as high for as many people.

coli

The more I watch it the more I am pleased with this Teaser as I was really on the fence about this movie after TLJ. This teaser was really the 'The Past Strikes Back' or 'Return of the Past' as I believe JJ will craft a movie that doesn't openly shit on TLJ, but will connect more with the narrative of TFA for many fans. It will be similar to how Stallone made Rocky 6 (Rocky Balboa), where he re-crafted the narrative after many disliked Rocky 5. I believe this teaser was solely to get back those fans that were unhappy with TLJ and confirms my suspicion that it wasn't a 'small loud minority' like many in the media and on the internet have been saying. If it were true, than there is no way they would have introduced these elements and continued Rian Johnson's narrative:

-The teaser starts off with Rey and the re-assembled Skywalker Lightsaber that was broken in TLJ (let the past die?)
-Kylo Ren is showing re-assembling his mask (let the past die?)
-Luke is narrating it but this time he is hopeful for Rey tp pass the torch (let the past die?)
-Lando/Chewy are flying the falcon as it feels right compared to Chewy flying Rey around doing nothing in TLJ (let the past die?)
-The remains of the Death Star are shown possibly hinting that it plays a part in the Macguffin (let the past die?)
-Having the name Skywalker in the title (let the past die?)

Josh-da-man

LorenzoL

I didn't completely hate "The Last Jedi" so watching the teaser, I'm optimistic that the trilogy will end well.

I'm not liking the use of "Skywalker" as a possible replacement for the word Jedi and such.

Mike86

kefrank

My point was not whether it was actually considered divisive at the time or not. My point was that in this current age of the internet, negative reactions get amplified and gain oversized, groupthink momentum. Empire had plenty of qualities that would have been a source of outrage for a minority of fans and my contention is that kind of reaction would have been perpetuated and blown up by the internet, making it far more divisive than it actually was because the internet (as it is today) didn't exist.

Yes, exactly.

TGM

I would bust a nut if we get an old Luke, young Anakin (w/Hayden Christensen), young Obi Wan (w/Ewan Macgregor) and Yoda vs Palpatine force ghost battle. Would never happen, and it wouldn't necessarily make sense that Obi Wan would be a young force ghost, but at this point fuck it...

Mabuse

milo bloom

GoldenJCJ

E Unit

TGM

If this is true, then I would imagine Rian Johnson's trilogy is DOA?

RichC2

It reads to me like they're using the name as an honorary title instead of an actual surname. Legend building and what have you.

Brooklyn

I think you're off. My guess is that the medal is completely unrelated and is Leia finding it and reminiscing about Han. It would make sense that footage of that nature may exist. I'm in the camp that is pretty sure the wreckage is the 2nd Death Star. Palpatine wasn't on the 1st so it makes no sense he'd be in it now (if in fact the two are actually tied). My take is that Rey (created by Palpatine the same way Anakin was) senses a dark presence and that leads them all to the wreckage of the Death Star, where they find Palpatine, biding his time until the one whose body can contain his power and act as a vessel came to be.

brayzie

I think Mike86 made the good point that it's still not that comparable, as Star Wars was still a new thing in 1980, and fandom hadn't had enough time to decide what Star Wars is, and what it isn't.

But you make a good point that outrage gets magnified in the age of the internet. I can see a significant portion of long-time fans being pissed at what happened in TLJ. But a 44% audience score at Rotten Tomatoes? C'mon. It was an enjoyable movie. It definitely didn't meet my expectations of what a Star Wars film should be in 2017 but it was fun and probably my 3rd favorite Star Wars film.
And while you have legit YouTubers making critiques of The Last Jedi, you have others who are just trying to jump on the bandwagon and declare "TLJ WORST MOVIE EVR!!!!!" to get clicks/views/subscribers. Any small thing gets amplified nowadays. Look at the First Man movie. They didn't do the planting of the flag scene, but they still had the shot of it on the moon. Yet, someone has an agenda and suddenly the filmmakers are unpatriotic, anti-American.


Wow. I was thinking that all the "bad" stuff in TLJ was roughly planned from the beginning, or at least discussed with JJ before moving forward. Pretty interesting. Now I want to know what JJ would have done with Luke's character had he directed TLJ.

Obi-Wanma

Kathleen Kennedy mentioned Rian and discussions about his new trilogy yesterday. If it was totally off the table, you wouldn't think that she would have brought it up.

Mike86

DaveyJoe

Taking bets?

coli

I've read this theory all across social media, and I'm inclined to believe it.

dex14

VHS?

dex14