Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
03-02-18, 12:58 AM
#476
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I liked the PT music right away. I didn’t need 20 years. Couldn’t hum one ST theme right now, and I’m a musician.
03-02-18, 01:16 AM
#477
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Agreed.
03-06-18, 02:30 PM
#479
re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Not at all unexpected, but John Williams just confirmed that IX will be his final Star Wars score.
http://www.classicfm.com/artists/joh...its-star-wars/
"We know JJ Abrams is preparing one [Star Wars movie] now that I will hopefully do next year for him. I look forward to it. It will round out a series of nine, that will be quite enough for me."
03-06-18, 06:59 PM
#480
re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
"We know JJ Abrams is preparing one [Star Wars movie] now that I will hopefully do next year for him. I look forward to it. It will round out a series of nine, that will be quite enough for me."
That about describes my feelings for Star Wars also.
That about describes my feelings for Star Wars also.
03-07-18, 06:13 AM
#482
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The Skywalker Saga movies have always been the only thing that moved the radar for me. I just really don't care about Solo, as this movie does nothing for me. I thought Rogue One was a good movie (it's still the only SW movie I did not see opening weekend) as it had a very serious tone, but the characters are forgettable so I'm not sure how much replay value it will hold. I have never watched the other stuff like The Clone Wars Series, etc. And I could really care less about post Episode 9 stuff like Rian Johnson's Trilogy or the guys from Game of Thrones possible SW movies.
Now I don't say this to disparage anyone who is looking forward to it, because the movies have moved past fans like me who are OT fans at heart and the Saga is the only thing that appeals to me. I actually wish they skipped the Solo movie and moved on by now so they could stop worrying about appealing to older fans like me.
Now I don't say this to disparage anyone who is looking forward to it, because the movies have moved past fans like me who are OT fans at heart and the Saga is the only thing that appeals to me. I actually wish they skipped the Solo movie and moved on by now so they could stop worrying about appealing to older fans like me.
03-09-18, 03:55 AM
#483
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
That "Empire" had like seven fucking ships and their main battle station (including probably every penny they had as well as soldiers and ships) was recently blown to hell. THAT is the big bad that an entire galaxy can't fend off. These movies are like a microcosm of two rock throwing countries from the Middle Ages in comparison to the OT.
03-09-18, 05:09 AM
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Eh. You've had almost 20 years with the PT music and less than 5 with the ST so not a fair comparison, but to each their own. Only good music I can remember from PT really is Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars. Battle of the Heroes sounded incredibly forced. Whereas Rey's theme, the Resistance, Scherzo for X-Wings even Rose's themes are already some of my favorites.
I have to disagree. The ST has very few memorable themes. Rey's theme is brilliantly delicate. And the March of the First Order is appropriately bombastic, but that's about it. TLJ was terrible IMHO and as a huge Star Wars and John Williams fan that really hurts to say. There wasn't anything memorable in that soundtrack that wasn't a direct rehash of previous themes.
The PT I think stands almost as tall as the OT musically. The duel of the fates alone I think is right up there with the Star Wars theme and the Imperial March.
03-09-18, 09:16 AM
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The PT’s music is really interesting, far more than the ST. Anakin’s theme has the Imperial March hidden in it, Anakin and Padme’s love theme is a combination of Luke and Leia’s Themes from the OT, and there are several good original themes in the three movies as well. It’s much more motif based than the ST.
Whether we like the PT or not, Lucas made several decisions designed to specifically harken back to the OT in subtle ways. It was designed to be a counterweight to the OT. The ST is, as many people here have pointed out, more haphazard and driven by other voices. I suspect if Lucas had done the ST himself, the music would be more memorable and recognizable as variations on existing themes with extrapolation.
Part of me wonders if Abrams and Johnson were too in awe of Williams to ask him to write more memorable music.
Whether we like the PT or not, Lucas made several decisions designed to specifically harken back to the OT in subtle ways. It was designed to be a counterweight to the OT. The ST is, as many people here have pointed out, more haphazard and driven by other voices. I suspect if Lucas had done the ST himself, the music would be more memorable and recognizable as variations on existing themes with extrapolation.
Part of me wonders if Abrams and Johnson were too in awe of Williams to ask him to write more memorable music.
03-09-18, 10:27 AM
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Those are some great points. The PT was really meant to be a foreshadowing of the OT, to give more insight and significance to the later events by seeing what led to them. Whether or not Lucas succeeded in that storytelling attempt, I do think John Williams' music captured it very well.
The ST, as you say, is very haphazardly constructed, and the music reflects that. Even comments from the TLJ thread about how the filmmakers were still "making up" characters right before filming began proves that point.
The ST, as you say, is very haphazardly constructed, and the music reflects that. Even comments from the TLJ thread about how the filmmakers were still "making up" characters right before filming began proves that point.
03-09-18, 09:58 PM
#487
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Agreed the PT's score is one of the highlights of that series. Lots of great stuff in there.
03-14-18, 08:51 PM
#488
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Yes, the love theme is very memorable and of course Duel of the Fates will be remembered for decades to come.
And that's a great point about the PT's best strength being to lend weight to the OT. I still enjoy the movies as they are, but watching the OT now is even more enjoyable knowing how everything got to where it did.
And that's a great point about the PT's best strength being to lend weight to the OT. I still enjoy the movies as they are, but watching the OT now is even more enjoyable knowing how everything got to where it did.
03-15-18, 07:43 AM
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The PT adds no enjoyment to the OT for me. I don't want to think about how bad Qui Gon messed up, not to mention Yoda and Obi Wan. I don't want to be reminded how whiny Anakin was or how great Padme could've been but was ruined over the course of 3 movies. I won't get into the waste that was Dooku.
Duel of the Fates though. Just an awesome theme.
Duel of the Fates though. Just an awesome theme.
04-21-18, 09:52 PM
#490
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Couple interesting rumors this week.
Major Legends / EU character possible:
Spoiler:
Major Legends / EU character possible:
Spoiler:
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05-01-18, 11:36 AM
#491
re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
A couple weeks ago we revealed that Star Wars: Episode IX, which is scheduled to begin production this July, was looking to cast a character going by the name “MARA.” This of course led to speculation that the character COULD be Mara Jade, a popular character from the old Star Wars Expanded Universe. Now we have details on another new lead female lead for the film.
Casting director Nina Gold is on the hunt for an “ethnic female”, with a strong preference for an African-American, 18-26 years old, to portray a character by the name of Caro. Caro is described as having a “captivating naturalness and ease to her manner.” Caro is a “leader and problem solver, smart with a great sense of humor and a strong will. All this comes to her effortlessly. ”
The description we were given for Caro is an interesting one. We’re certainly getting a charismatic character and one whose characteristics could serve her well as either a potential Jedi or as one of the next generation of leaders who were sparked by the heroic stand of the Resistance. With filming set to begin just over two and a half months from now, we should start to hear about casting for this role, the other two leads (including “Mara”) and additional casting before too long.
Star Wars: Episode IX will be directed by JJ Abrams and based on a script from Abrams and Chris Terrio. It is expected in theaters December 20, 2019.
Casting director Nina Gold is on the hunt for an “ethnic female”, with a strong preference for an African-American, 18-26 years old, to portray a character by the name of Caro. Caro is described as having a “captivating naturalness and ease to her manner.” Caro is a “leader and problem solver, smart with a great sense of humor and a strong will. All this comes to her effortlessly. ”
The description we were given for Caro is an interesting one. We’re certainly getting a charismatic character and one whose characteristics could serve her well as either a potential Jedi or as one of the next generation of leaders who were sparked by the heroic stand of the Resistance. With filming set to begin just over two and a half months from now, we should start to hear about casting for this role, the other two leads (including “Mara”) and additional casting before too long.
Star Wars: Episode IX will be directed by JJ Abrams and based on a script from Abrams and Chris Terrio. It is expected in theaters December 20, 2019.
05-01-18, 11:51 AM
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
What the heck is an "ethnic female"? Every female has some kind of ethnicity.
05-01-18, 11:58 AM
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It's Hollywood speak for "let's color this film up and check all the boxes for the diversity credit we so desperately need".
05-01-18, 12:01 PM
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05-01-18, 02:21 PM
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http://thathashtagshow.com/2018/04/e...r-description/
Casting director Nina Gold is on the hunt for an “ethnic female”, with a strong preference for an African-American, 18-26 years old, to portray a character by the name of Caro. Caro is described as having a “captivating naturalness and ease to her manner.” Caro is a “leader and problem solver, smart with a great sense of humor and a strong will. All this comes to her effortlessly. ”
05-02-18, 08:29 AM
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
For me, it's seems like they just have too many characters in this Trilogy and that is where it loses focus. Rey was almost MIA for the last half of TLJ after she fought Kylo Ren, and it is because they had to focus on Rose/Finn.
Maybe now that Luke, Leia and Han are out of the picture, the focus on the new characters will give them time for some characters development. The problem is this is the final film in the Trilogy, so the big character development arcs should have been setup in the middle film.
After watching TFA and TLJ, I'm actually of the opinion that I wish Rian Johnson was writing and directing this film, as I feel that JJ is going to goto the well for the fans with many TFA plot points. Maybe have Rey be revealed as a legacy character, or some pointless backstory of Snoke, etc. While many fans don't like Rian Johnson (I hated the movie on first viewing), I think his vision is a lot more interesting then 'vanilla ice cream/play it safe' JJ Abrams.
Maybe now that Luke, Leia and Han are out of the picture, the focus on the new characters will give them time for some characters development. The problem is this is the final film in the Trilogy, so the big character development arcs should have been setup in the middle film.
After watching TFA and TLJ, I'm actually of the opinion that I wish Rian Johnson was writing and directing this film, as I feel that JJ is going to goto the well for the fans with many TFA plot points. Maybe have Rey be revealed as a legacy character, or some pointless backstory of Snoke, etc. While many fans don't like Rian Johnson (I hated the movie on first viewing), I think his vision is a lot more interesting then 'vanilla ice cream/play it safe' JJ Abrams.
05-02-18, 11:24 AM
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That being said, I kinda agree about adding more character/s to the last movie. In Jedi(Return) the only major addition was the Emperor but his presence was always there from the beginning so it's not like they had to build him up. In Sith, you had Grievous the Throwaway. Or maybe this is just a minor character and we're all just making a big deal because Star Wars.
05-02-18, 11:36 AM
#498
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That being said, I kinda agree about adding more character/s to the last movie. In Jedi(Return) the only major addition was the Emperor but his presence was always there from the beginning so it's not like they had to build him up. In Sith, you had Grievous the Throwaway. Or maybe this is just a minor character and we're all just making a big deal because Star Wars.
05-04-18, 01:13 PM
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
So there are major Episode 9 plot spoilers leaking around the internet. Supposedly the source was right about many Episode 8 spoilers back in 2016. I would take it with a HUGE grain of salt.
Spoiler:
05-04-18, 01:20 PM
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Spoiler:
This guy is also claiming that the trilogy format is over and the story will just continue with episodes ala Marvel.
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