I think that was true and I was even among that group of fans not interested in Solo prior to seeing it. The movie changed my mind when I saw it though.

It definitely did. There was a negative buzz to it basically from announcement. Then later on the directorial change and poor box office take didn’t help it. Looking back at it they probably really should have held back on it for Disney+ (I think a limited series would have been the best route to take) rather than banking on it being a major theatrical film. It might have found its audience better and probably w be seen as such a colossal flop.

I think a lot of the problem Star Wars faces is that it’s creators have burned its fans so many times over. First Lucas’ endless tinkering with the Original Trilogy while never even allowing copies of the unaltered films to exist. Then the Prequel Trilogy, which while I’ve grown to appreciate more and like elements of there’s no kidding ourselves by thinking they’re perfect films. Now Disney comes along and at first it seemed like a good start until they pull the rug out from us with a film that was divisive to say the least.

I don’t think all hope is lost for Star Wars and there’s a lot from it I want to see, but it’s kind of been a up and down relationship between the franchise and it’s fans for years. That being said I do have hope for the future of the franchise. I’m legitimately interested in all the Disney+ shows announced thus far so that at least is a start.

I'm sounding like a broken record at this point, but the "problem" started with the original trilogy. First one was a game changer, second one somehow managed to elevate the material despite playing it by ear with the story and resorting to some cheap soap opera twist. The third one though was some bullshit from a story perspective.

TLJ is a better film than ROTJ. Everything else is just nostalgia. We want the new Star Wars to be how we envisioned it would be when we were kids.

Why is it always with the assumption that those of us who didn’t like how Luke was handled wanted him to be this ultra Jedi badass with epic fight scenes or something? I really don’t understand why it has to be one of those two options to choose from. My only real expectation of Luke was that he’d help train Rey (maybe hesitantly) and possibly be involved in some way in an altercation with one of the villains where he’d either be struck down or injured where Rey would take the lead. I didn’t want Rey’s thunder to be stolen, I just wanted Luke in a more involved fashion in some way with one of the main altercations.

As far as unrealistic expectations or feeling owed something, yeah totally unrealistic to expect an iconic character to be treated with a a bit more respect in a franchise that was built on said character. I’m way out of line there.

I’m a lot more open to whatever comes as I said and have liked the majority of Disney Star Wars thus far. Also again as I just mentioned I’m interested in the Disney+ content (The Mandalorian and also the Obi-Wan and Cassian shows).

YEP. He certainly did!

So you’re saying Snoke/Rey/Kylo Throne Room scene is better than The Emperor/Vader/Luke Throne Room Scene? Cause TLJ essentially rips off that scene. Crait battle is essentially ripped off from ESB battle. Rey going to see Luke is essentially ripped off from ESB. DJ betraying Rose/Finn is essentially ripped off from Lando betraying Han/ Leia.

TLJ has a chance to take the Saga in a new direction if Rey took Kylo’s offer as that opens up a whole new story for Episode 9. But the movie ends with Rey/Good Guy, Kylo/Villain, and Resistance vs First Order.

People would have been like “Why are you making Yoda so goofy in Empire when he was totally bad ass in AOTC and ROTS?”

I truly don’t understand why people who are pro that film continually have to prod. I let others have their opinion without poking fun at them while sharing mine. Seems like the hostility is more from the side of your guys’ side of the camp.

YOU didn’t like it so clearly YOU didn’t understand it or something must be wrong with YOU or YOUR opinion. Get bent with that.

I’ve given reasons, I’m fairly certain you both know them. Yes, what I said happened in a certain sense, but it was done in a completely different way than I would have wanted or expected. If that works for you guys then fine. I don’t really give a rat’s ass. It didn’t for me and I’m able to hold that opinion.

Dont worry these were the same guys who shit on the Prequels for years and years and now they don’t like that people didn’t like TLJ so they give the same argument as the Prequel defenders, “You didn’t like it cause it didn’t jive with the story you built up in your head all those years.”. Oh the irony.....

Don't assume I know what you failed to express in a way that is understandable. I still don’t understand. When you express certain criteria, said criteria was evident, and it still wasn’t what you wanted..I come back to “Huh?” That’s fine if it’s not what you wanted, whatever, but don’t pretend like what you’re saying makes sense to everyone just because you think it does.

Hmmm, not me. Sorry there.

I’ve said it on more than one occasion and have went into more detail previously, more so in the reviews thread for The Last Jedi. You’ve only recently started to chime in with feeling the need to attack me or others who share my opinion so I shouldn’t have to repeat myself.