The Batman (2022, D: Matt Reeves) S: Pattinson
08-31-16, 12:59 PM
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
I know Nolan intended his trilogy to stand on its own, but I bet if you ask Nolan and WB about the relationship between the Dark Knight films and the DCEU, they'd both have very different answers.
Batman's crime-fighting and eventual murder of Harvey Dent inspires more costumed freaks like the Suicide Squad. I would say BvS takes place about 15 years after TDKR. At some point, the Joker kills John Blake in an attempt to coax Batman back into action. It works, Bruce returns to Gotham and the murder of his friend causes him to fight crime in a more angry and violent fashion, leading to stuff like the branding. He knocks the Joker's teeth out and eventually the stuff in Metropolis goes down.
I'm not saying that's a theory that I want, personally I love the Nolan films, hate the shared universe stuff, and wish we'd just continue getting quality solo Batman films without silly characters like Superman. But with the success of the Nolan trilogy, I think WB wants the average viewer to assume the films are all connected. That's WB has been vague about the new franchise and not come out and said Batman is a reboot from the Nolan films. That's why we got an older, TDKR-inspired Batman. I mean, with all of the issues you guys seem to have with MoS and BvS, do you think WB is going to let a couple of minor continuity issues between the franchises bother them?
Batman's crime-fighting and eventual murder of Harvey Dent inspires more costumed freaks like the Suicide Squad. I would say BvS takes place about 15 years after TDKR. At some point, the Joker kills John Blake in an attempt to coax Batman back into action. It works, Bruce returns to Gotham and the murder of his friend causes him to fight crime in a more angry and violent fashion, leading to stuff like the branding. He knocks the Joker's teeth out and eventually the stuff in Metropolis goes down.
I'm not saying that's a theory that I want, personally I love the Nolan films, hate the shared universe stuff, and wish we'd just continue getting quality solo Batman films without silly characters like Superman. But with the success of the Nolan trilogy, I think WB wants the average viewer to assume the films are all connected. That's WB has been vague about the new franchise and not come out and said Batman is a reboot from the Nolan films. That's why we got an older, TDKR-inspired Batman. I mean, with all of the issues you guys seem to have with MoS and BvS, do you think WB is going to let a couple of minor continuity issues between the franchises bother them?
Aside from that. I think Snyder just wanted to do as much of DKR as possible to put his Bats as a seasoned guy. As far as we know... Joker's been around for a while and Harley too cuz we already got a Robin that's been dead for a good while. We don't know really know much about the other freaks and their timelines... exactly. I don't think it's WB making a soft continuation of the TDK films.
08-31-16, 01:05 PM
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I believe WB wanted Nolan's Bats to be part of their ideas for more heroes involved but Nolan nixed that and well... Bale won't budge for anything w/o Nolan on it so that's where Nolan made TDKR.
Aside from that. I think Snyder just wanted to do as much of DKR as possible to put his Bats as a seasoned guy. As far as we know... Joker's been around for a while and Harley too cuz we already got a Robin that's been dead for a good while. We don't know really know much about the other freaks and their timelines... exactly. I don't think it's WB making a soft continuation of the TDK films.
Aside from that. I think Snyder just wanted to do as much of DKR as possible to put his Bats as a seasoned guy. As far as we know... Joker's been around for a while and Harley too cuz we already got a Robin that's been dead for a good while. We don't know really know much about the other freaks and their timelines... exactly. I don't think it's WB making a soft continuation of the TDK films.
08-31-16, 01:16 PM
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
The thing is though you don't have to really dig deep to find a good Batman villain. Just off the top of my head decent villains not used I'd like to see: Black Mask, Clayface, Hugo Strange, Hush, Mad Hatter, Man-Bat, Red Hood. Plus that's not even taking into account previous villains used that weren't done well such as Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and The Riddler.
08-31-16, 01:18 PM
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
Believed? At first... sure? If they could softly do so but they haven't. WB has made it insanely obvious that this is a different Batman w/ his own lived in world. I'm not sure how much lack of subtlety to that there can be.
You'd have to not watch the film or see some of the marketing to not get that it wasn't.
You'd have to not watch the film or see some of the marketing to not get that it wasn't.
08-31-16, 01:27 PM
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Believed? At first... sure? If they could softly do so but they haven't. WB has made it insanely obvious that this is a different Batman w/ his own lived in world. I'm not sure how much lack of subtlety to that there can be.
You'd have to not watch the film or see some of the marketing to not get that it wasn't.
You'd have to not watch the film or see some of the marketing to not get that it wasn't.
08-31-16, 01:35 PM
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
Honestly, when Deathstroke first appeared in TT#2 (1980) I thought he was a low rent version of Deadshot created to fight the Teen Titans. They looked similar except for the colors.
08-31-16, 01:52 PM
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08-31-16, 02:11 PM
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I don't know, I think an anti-hero named DeadDeath could be pretty badass. Especially when he fights his arch-nemesis DeathDead.
08-31-16, 02:38 PM
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I would bet Deathstroke is better known to the general public than any of those. Lotsa folks here on dvdtalk may hate Arrow, but that's where Deathstroke was introduced to many people. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if it's revealed that one of the reasons they chose him because of his similarity to Deadpool. (Deathstroke was created first though)
08-31-16, 02:52 PM
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
In the video I posted above Deathstroke/Slade was used in 2 Superman shows and Arrow. So there is a history of using him outside of the Teen Titans against different heroes. Clearly DC likes using him like this so using against Batman isn't a stretch.
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08-31-16, 05:36 PM
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08-31-16, 05:47 PM
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I actually would be down for seeing more Deadshot. I normally don't care for Will Smith but I actually liked him in Suicide Squad. Problem is I think its a bit hard to place any of the characters from that film as villains when we were supposed to like them to a degree.
08-31-16, 05:53 PM
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08-31-16, 08:13 PM
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Not sure why the point I'm making is hard to understand. Batman has one of the strongest groups of villains out there that he doesn't need a fill in villain that isn't one of his primary antagonists. It comes across odd that they'd go with someone like Deathstroke when there are so many characters out there for Batman to face off against that he's much more established to have a history with. I'm sure the film will be fine but as a Batman fan there are just way more villains that I'd like to see used.
08-31-16, 08:17 PM
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We've had seven Batman films since 1989. How many have had a single villain? Haven't they all ready established that The Batman will have multiple villains?
08-31-16, 09:27 PM
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08-31-16, 09:32 PM
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Not sure why the point I'm making is hard to understand. Batman has one of the strongest groups of villains out there that he doesn't need a fill in villain that isn't one of his primary antagonists. It comes across odd that they'd go with someone like Deathstroke when there are so many characters out there for Batman to face off against that he's much more established to have a history with. I'm sure the film will be fine but as a Batman fan there are just way more villains that I'd like to see used.
08-31-16, 10:07 PM
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Yeah it's an opinion and I'm not saying that I'm necessarily right. I just think it makes more sense to go with hero/villain combinations that are well established. Especially given that there's a a limited number of solo films that will be made to me it feels wasteful to not use someone more established as a Batman villain.
08-31-16, 10:15 PM
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
But it's not wrong either. It's a universe of characters. Is it weird to see a first stand off like this? Kind of sort of or whatever. Typically we'd see a regular pairing like a Joker and Bats or a Bane and Bats and etc. etc. The usual. It's not wrong for them to go w/ Deathstroke either as his foe, in whatever stake Slade has in this film.. whatever the fuck that is.
It's not the norm.. and that's all it is. At least, Slade fits well enough to be in a Bats film.
It's not the norm.. and that's all it is. At least, Slade fits well enough to be in a Bats film.
09-01-16, 02:50 AM
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I'm not saying it is wrong just my opinion that there are better villains who are more actual Batman villains who I'd rather see used. Honestly I really can't even think of another comic book film where the hero has taken on a villain that was someone aside from a normal villain from their universe either (not including original characters created for a film). Deathstroke does fit Batman's universe I agree and has appeared in some Batman media but still he's not really primarily a Batman villain.