The Batman (2022, D: Matt Reeves) S: Pattinson
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
The problem with these franchise reboots is once you have an actor who plays a great superhero, it is very hard to think of anyone else as them. When I think of Superman, I think of Christopher Reeve. When I think of Batman, I think of Christian Bale. When I think of Spiderman, I think of Tobey Maguire.
Its like making an Indiana Jones movie with someone else playing him other then Harrison Ford.
Its like making an Indiana Jones movie with someone else playing him other then Harrison Ford.
Personally, I just see the different actors playing the same character as kind of similar to how the characters are drawn differently by different artists in the comics. So when a new actor is hired to play the character in the movie, it is like when a new artist is hired to draw the character in the comics.
While I do wish the same actor would play the character in the movies forever for continuity's sake, that is an impossible expectation in the real world. I can't realistically expect Michael Keaton to still be playing Batman 25 years later. Imagine if Sean Connery was still playing James Bond. Who wants an 80 year old James Bond?
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
The problem with these franchise reboots is once you have an actor who plays a great superhero, it is very hard to think of anyone else as them. When I think of Superman, I think of Christopher Reeve. When I think of Batman, I think of Christian Bale. When I think of Spiderman, I think of Tobey Maguire.
Its like making an Indiana Jones movie with someone else playing him other then Harrison Ford.
Its like making an Indiana Jones movie with someone else playing him other then Harrison Ford.
Very few actors own a superhero character. Bale doesn't own it. Keaton didn't own it. West didn't own it.
The character of Batman hasn't really been written well enough, or written less, to where an actor can own it. When you think of a Batman, you think whatever the fuck leads you up to it. Nostalgia, quality, entertainment, all 3 or whatever. Batman hasn't been developed in the Live action realm to where we have some definitive take on it or whatever.
Downey Jr. pretty much owns Iron Man. Not because he was the first... because it's RDJr. playing himself and himself is wildly spit firing and all this bullshit that makes up IM ESPECIALLY in visual media beyond Film. Reeves owned Superman cuz he was a solid actor and actually lived up to the title outside of film. Hugh Jackman is Logan because he has developed that character for so long and made it his to where the mantle taken from that role would be hard cuz he's pretty much already accomplished the zenith of character by now, weak scripts or not.
Ford is Indy. Why? Not because he was a great character, he is. But because so much of that character is Ford. I'm sure Indy was fun on paper but look at Ford's work and see him in interviews or whatever... A lot of the minutiae that makes Indy is inherent in Ford. The mannerisms, reactions, and the body language.
Having a hard time to not think about the actor before? Are you taking a fucking piss? That's all you and how much you center on that actor for yourself. VERY FEW franchise roles are SOOOOOO ingrained towards an actor portraying a pop culture character. Bale is/was cool and badass as Bats cuz it's the now. You really take a close view at JUST the character. Look at it w/o some favoritism and start to break him down for a narrative structure. The character has never really written well. He's been cool and the whatnot but never been great to where Bale could be THE Batman. He's great cuz he's playing the fucking Batman.
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Re: The Batman (D: Ben Affleck)
Out of all the comic book heroes I think the only one that will stand the test of time much like Reeve has as Supes is Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
Bale was awesome as Batman but he's not THE Batman. Just one of many variations. To me Jackman IS Wolverine, much the same way Harrison Ford IS Indy and Solo(for the reasons Snake said). Of course we have yet to see someone else in the role, but I think it's gonna be hard to replace him.
Bale was awesome as Batman but he's not THE Batman. Just one of many variations. To me Jackman IS Wolverine, much the same way Harrison Ford IS Indy and Solo(for the reasons Snake said). Of course we have yet to see someone else in the role, but I think it's gonna be hard to replace him.
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Marvel and RDJ turned Iron Man into RDJ for the movie. And it worked brilliantly. The next person playing in the role has the thankless job of either (1) aping RDJ or (2) bringing a whole new take to the character. The first is a recipe for disaster, the second a radical approach that may or may not be embraced by audiences.
The rest of the Marvel movie characters could easily be replaced. Captain America (Evans is good but not defining), Thor, Black Widow, Hulk, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, etc... good actors but not leaving indelible imprints.
Anyway back to the thread, Affleck the filmmaker is a great choice for new Batman movies. Affleck the actor? Let's see how BvS works out.
The rest of the Marvel movie characters could easily be replaced. Captain America (Evans is good but not defining), Thor, Black Widow, Hulk, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, etc... good actors but not leaving indelible imprints.
Anyway back to the thread, Affleck the filmmaker is a great choice for new Batman movies. Affleck the actor? Let's see how BvS works out.
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As far as I'm concerned, Reeve=Superman, Jackman=Wolverine and Downey=Iron Man. Those are the only 3 guys who have owned their roles to the point where it's weird to see (or will be) a different actor playing them.
As much as I like Bale and enjoyed him as Batman, I don't think he left any notable mark on the role. I don't necessarily love Affleck, but Bale is easily replaced.
As much as I like Bale and enjoyed him as Batman, I don't think he left any notable mark on the role. I don't necessarily love Affleck, but Bale is easily replaced.
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The only notable mark Bale left on the role is the over-the-top Bat-voice acting. SWEAR TO ME! I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS! WHERE'S THE TRIGGER? WHERE IS IT?
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Mr. Freeze done well would be awesome. I'd also like to see some of the more out there villains like Clayface or Killer Croc. The problem I feel is that DC is trying to make their universe dark and serious so if they chose to go with a more out there villain it'll probably come across stupid. Either that or they just won't do villains like that and just go with the stand by villains we've seen used.
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Mr. Freeze done well would be awesome. I'd also like to see some of the more out there villains like Clayface or Killer Croc. The problem I feel is that DC is trying to make their universe dark and serious so if they chose to go with a more out there villain it'll probably be stupid. Either that or they just won't do villains like that and just go with the stand by villains we've seen used.
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I honestly forgot that he was even in that. I'd prefer the more out there Croc though rather than just some guy who looks like he has a skin condition.
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He originally was just a man with a skin condition in the comics. It's only been fairly recently that he has started mutating into more of an animal.
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Yeah I know. I just think that the guy with a skin condition isn't as cool or interesting personally. Visually he looks a lot cooler in his more animal like form. Another villain I'd love to see used is Man-Bat. He's always been one of my personal favorite Batman villains.
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Out of all the comic book heroes I think the only one that will stand the test of time much like Reeve has as Supes is Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
Bale was awesome as Batman but he's not THE Batman. Just one of many variations. To me Jackman IS Wolverine, much the same way Harrison Ford IS Indy and Solo(for the reasons Snake said). Of course we have yet to see someone else in the role, but I think it's gonna be hard to replace him.
Bale was awesome as Batman but he's not THE Batman. Just one of many variations. To me Jackman IS Wolverine, much the same way Harrison Ford IS Indy and Solo(for the reasons Snake said). Of course we have yet to see someone else in the role, but I think it's gonna be hard to replace him.
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As stated before... the only actors to totally be wrapped up in their comic book role, for whatever reason and form, are the ones already mentioned. RDJr, Jackman, and Reeve. It's not because we LOVE them so much... it's because of so much more than that.
I dig Cavill, he LOOKS and could most likely be a damn fine Supes... but he doesn't have the material to breathe a soul into it. To make this character real in a world that isn't. That's one of the things that make the 3 mentioned already such strong identity to their roles.
That's why Ford is Indy and Han too.
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Exclusive: Spoilery details on solo Batman film and key characters involved
While you can certainly treat this as a rumor, I'm giving fair warning in advance: SPOILERS.
While you can certainly treat this as a rumor, I'm giving fair warning in advance: SPOILERS.
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#44
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That sounds pretty good to me, that story has worked out well recently so I wouldn't mind seeing it adapted to film. That said...
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#45
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Sounds cool but I really don't like the fact that this universe is already in progress and they're just throwing us into things.
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While the death of a character like that can be easily manipulated to a positive emotional response cuz Batman is so loved. The resurrection of something like that can't be done as well. For the shock or wow factor, it has to be earned for something like that. Reminds me of how some audience members were genuinely surprised by the reveal in another comic book flick. I wasn't surprised cuz.. I already knew as a fan but the casual movie goer was surprised pretty well in my times watching that one.
EDIT: But if Affleck is directing... I'll roll w/ it. Terrio is writing this one too, no? I can't remember.
EDIT: But if Affleck is directing... I'll roll w/ it. Terrio is writing this one too, no? I can't remember.
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While the death of a character like that can be easily manipulated to a positive emotional response cuz Batman is so loved. The resurrection of something like that can't be done as well. For the shock or wow factor, it has to be earned for something like that. Reminds me of how some audience members were genuinely surprised by the reveal in another comic book flick. I wasn't surprised cuz.. I already knew as a fan but the casual movie goer was surprised pretty well in my times watching that one.
EDIT: But if Affleck is directing... I'll roll w/ it. Terrio is writing this one too, no? I can't remember.
EDIT: But if Affleck is directing... I'll roll w/ it. Terrio is writing this one too, no? I can't remember.
#49
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All sounds good to me. Batman has had the spotlight long enough. Good to see them bringing in some of the secondary heroes.
I also have no issues with them "jumping into the middle" of a story in regards to the history of Robin.
I also have no issues with them "jumping into the middle" of a story in regards to the history of Robin.
#50
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Too much backstory that isn't going to mean anything to the general audiences who don't read the comics.