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Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Old 08-16-16, 10:45 PM
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Supermallet
I'll take BvS over Salvation. Fuck that movie.
Prometheus vs BvS?

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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Any Terminator film after 2 and any Alien film after 3 can go fuck itself.
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Originally Posted by inri222
Any Terminator film after 2 and any Alien film after 3 can go fuck itself.
So when a film fucks itself: is it jerking itself off, finger banging, or jamming something up its asshole?

Maybe it depends on the film.

Based on popular opinion:

I would say that T3 is like a male that is jamming something up his asshole. Eventually the prostate is found; which leads to a pleasurable ending, after an overall unenjoyable experience for most.

Terminator Salvation is like a male jerking off to someone in a porno that they more than likely would not fuck in real life. Not the worst masturbation session you could have; and some joy is found in it along the way (otherwise you would just stop jerking off).....although in the end a bad taste is left in the mouth regarding the whole experience.

I haven't gotten through all of Genysis yet so I am not sure if I would classify it as the same scenario as Salvation, or if it was indeed a female flicking the bean/finger banging. Not sure if she would be watching a porn, or just closing her eyes in a bubble bath with some nice scented candles lit to set the mood. Seeing as I stopped watching it; maybe it was indeed like a male who was so disgusted with who they choose to jerk off to, that they choose to stop before ejaculation.

I just don't know, not sure if I will ever find the time to find out either. Might just have to take the opinion of the people who post their fuck themselves analogy of Genysis, make it my own... and just call it a day.

I don't have the motivation to analyze the Alien films fucking themselves after part 3 seeing as this is a Terminator thread, and writing this much ridiculous shit is truly a waste of my time. Although I can safely say in my own personal opinion, that Alien 3 should fuck itself too.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

I'll try to deconstruct why T1 and T2 are so good. Terminator 3/4/5 were all approached from a management viewpoint, instead of as an artist viewpoint. Terminator was a movie that Cameron wanted to make. T2's existence was "requested" by Fox. But it maintained James Cameron's internal vision.

When you approach a production strictly from an executive viewpoint, you lose what makes a movie great. They look at markets and ask the artist to conform. They mine marketing and demographic information from past films. And that determines the story structure, characters, etc. It's the old Bill Hicks joke that you have to hit every market (doesn't matter if it's a Terminator movie or a Pepsi commercial). The real synergy comes when an artist creates a movie from within that is genuinely marketable.

Look at Avatar. Like it or not, that was a movie that James Cameron wrote by himself without knowing if it could be made. It came from a desire to tell that story. It's organic and came from inside. It may have been derivative of other movies he was watching at the time. But he sat down and wrote a movie he wanted to make.

Another thing about "expanding the universe". The Matrix also had the same problem. Less is more. Leave it vague. When events happen off-screen, you leave it up to the viewer's imagination to fill in the blanks. To see and explain everything can be a letdown. Once you start showing and explaining everything, you better be able to deliver. To hold back the details... It's "Obama's Hope". It's flying cars, an amusement park on the moon, or your perfect family. It's a DVDTalk poster's vision that he could direct a better Transformers movie than Michael Bay. It's a lot easier to project than it is to perform. The projection and unseen is immeasurably more powerful than actually seeing.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Supermallet
.... Salvation. Fuck that movie.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

I love the original Terminator, and I think it was a mistake to incorporate more time travel into 2 and 3. The way I see it, the time travel in the original Terminator was an extraordinary measure. When they kept doing it in the sequels it just became formula. I can respect Salvation for trying to do aomething different even though it's a mediocre film.

Genisys was kind of a hot mess where they just took bitsmfrom the other movies and tossed them into a blender. It was like someone who had never seen any previous Terminator movies threw together an ultimate Terminator movie based on descriptions of the previous movies. Like that Chinese Star Wars comic book.
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Chinese SW comic book?
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
When they kept doing it in the sequels it just became formula.
It also became an easy "out" to undo anything that would end the story.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

T2 though was fresh and had literal narrative logic for it. T3 and T5 have stupid as fuck logic.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by inri222
It also became an easy "out" to undo anything that would end the story.
That's been done all along though. The films have always been about preventing the rise of the machines but basically from the beginning there have been snags that make judgment day inevitable.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Solid Snake
Chinese SW comic book?
http://www.nickstember.com/chinese-s...omic-part-1-6/
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That's been done all along though. The films have always been about preventing the rise of the machines but basically from the beginning there have been snags that make judgment day inevitable.
T1 didn't stop it. Just a bump to Sarah Connor essentially. T2 is where they supposedly fix it all by taking down Cyberdyne and destroying all evidence of the future. T3 mucks it up for no reason at all.
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T1 didn't stop it. Just a bump to Sarah Connor essentially. T2 is where they supposedly fix it all by taking down Cyberdyne and destroying all evidence of the future. T3 mucks it up for no reason at all.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake
T2 though was fresh and had literal narrative logic for it. T3 and T5 have stupid as fuck logic.
The overall result was fresh. But story-wise it was a rehash of the first film for the most part, except this time there are two. While the pay off in the film is executed very well (Sarah encountering Uncle Bob for the first time) it doesn't make too much sense for Skynet to build infiltrators that sometimes look alike. Not only that but it was established in the first film that Skynet had been destroyed and that Kyle was the last person/thing to be sent back before the Resistance blew up the time displacement device.

I just saw Genisys, and while it was somewhat enjoyable, it's a film that has no soul to it. Studio execs took all the iconic scenes/elements from T1 and T2 and made this. Salvation is probably my least favorite in the series, while T3 has my least favorite story.
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler
Look at Avatar. Like it or not, that was a movie that James Cameron wrote by himself without knowing if it could be made. It came from a desire to tell that story. It's organic and came from inside. It may have been derivative of other movies he was watching at the time. But he sat down and wrote a movie he wanted to make.
The only extraordinary thing about Avatar is the visuals. The story is very archetypal hero's journey, with some Lawrence of Arabia/Dune/Dances with Wolves "white man saves physically poor but spiritually rich native people" thrown in for good measure.

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I love the original Terminator, and I think it was a mistake to incorporate more time travel into 2 and 3. The way I see it, the time travel in the original Terminator was an extraordinary measure. When they kept doing it in the sequels it just became formula. I can respect Salvation for trying to do aomething different even though it's a mediocre film.

Genisys was kind of a hot mess where they just took bitsmfrom the other movies and tossed them into a blender. It was like someone who had never seen any previous Terminator movies threw together an ultimate Terminator movie based on descriptions of the previous movies. Like that Chinese Star Wars comic book.
I think that's why I liked Genisys so much. It said fuck it, we're just going balls out with this thing. It feels like it's having fun, which cannot be said of T3 or Salvation. And because everything was thrown into a blender, I couldn't always predict what might happen next. Nothing was sacred anymore. It felt liberating.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Supermallet
The only extraordinary thing about Avatar is the visuals. The story is very archetypal hero's journey, with some Lawrence of Arabia/Dune/Dances with Wolves "white man saves physically poor but spiritually rich native people" thrown in for good measure.



I think that's why I liked Genisys so much. It said fuck it, we're just going balls out with this thing. It feels like it's having fun, which cannot be said of T3 or Salvation. And because everything was thrown into a blender, I couldn't always predict what might happen next. Nothing was sacred anymore. It felt liberating.
I liked the premise and story of Genisys. My biggest complaint was the lousy casting. I kind of expect some time travel in a Terminator movie.
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Originally Posted by JimRochester
I liked the premise and story of Genisys. My biggest complaint was the lousy casting. I kind of expect some time travel in a Terminator movie.
But how much is too much w/ working that shit? It was fine w/ T2. But after that? Fuck that.
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The only extraordinary thing about Avatar is the visuals. The story is very archetypal hero's journey, with some Lawrence of Arabia/Dune/Dances with Wolves "white man saves physically poor but spiritually rich native people" thrown in for good measure.
But it's still the movie he wanted to make. That's possibly the most important part of making a film we all remember. When it deviates too much, the best laid plans become scattered. Before you know it, you're putting patches over patches over patches just to make the logic work.
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But it's still the movie he wanted to make. That's possibly the most important part of making a film we all remember. When it deviates too much, the best laid plans become scattered. Before you know it, you're putting patches over patches over patches just to make the logic work.
That movie was so full of cliches, if you had told me it was made by a committee of studio suits, I'd believe it.
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Originally Posted by Supermallet
That movie was so full of cliches, if you had told me it was made by a committee of studio suits, I'd believe it.
The main thing that bothered me about Avatar was the villain was so one dimensional - it wasn't realistic.

The best thing you can do for a movie is make the villain believe that he's right in doing what he's doing. All Cameron had to do was say that the mineral they were mining was vital to the survival of life on earth due to environmental damage. It couldn't be found anywhere else, and if they didn't get it there billions of people and hundreds of billions of animals would die. So by mining that planet he saves the earth and makes a huge profit. No longer one dimensional. He can justify his greed by honestly believing that he's doing the right thing to save the earth and he therefore deserves the profit.

But Cameron didn't do that. He made him one of the most cliched, one dimensional bad guys of the last 25 years.

But the movie still looks good! It's purty.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (2015) -- S: Schwarzenegger -- The Reviews Thread

I actually liked it ok, maybe because I went into it with low expectations. Better than T3 and T4, imho. But yeah, the casting was mostly shit.
However, in my personal canon The Sarah Conner Chronicles is the true follow-up. It's a shame we never got any clues to where they were planning on taking the story after the cliffhanger ending.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
The main thing that bothered me about Avatar was the villain was so one dimensional - it wasn't realistic.

The best thing you can do for a movie is make the villain believe that he's right in doing what he's doing. All Cameron had to do was say that the mineral they were mining was vital to the survival of life on earth due to environmental damage. It couldn't be found anywhere else, and if they didn't get it there billions of people and hundreds of billions of animals would die. So by mining that planet he saves the earth and makes a huge profit. No longer one dimensional. He can justify his greed by honestly believing that he's doing the right thing to save the earth and he therefore deserves the profit.
Basically, in essence, Star Trek: Insurrection is deeper than Avatar. That's pretty badass.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
But the movie still looks good! It's purty.
Avatar is in a category of its own for me: Movies I had an absolute blast seeing in the theater, but never want to see again.
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Basically, in essence, Star Trek: Insurrection is deeper than Avatar. That's pretty badass.
Avatar is a much better film.

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