B5Erik

It's a magical place.

If Marvel wants to bring Quicksilver back there are ways they can do it.

Deftones

Yeah I'd forgotten about that.

GrossLover

Can't wait to see Age of Ultron. Going tonight with my honey....I also Just bought SPACESHIP TERROR. Loved it. Low budget with physical effects some 3D stuff but a lot of fun to watch... The girls get it good in this one.

Brack

Is that a MCU movie I somehow missed?

fumanstan

I've seen it twice too, but things like the Thor/Cap shield combo is the type of thing i'm talking about, not so much things like Iron and Thor at the climax where they're basically separate.

EDIT: Like this, where we see Iron Man bouncing his blaster off Cap's shield, and Thor smashing the thing Hulk jams in the Leviathan. Maybe it's partially because of the way the action is shot in the this movie; I thought the first movie was cleaner and easier to follow where this was more hectic, and I especially like how the camera follows from one fight to another smoothly and ends in a humorous moment. The editing in Ultron felt more disjointed to me.

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Supermallet

Wait, how is it a story flaw that Nick Fury is still alive? He never died, he just faked his death in Winter Soldier.

Brack

They weren't holding hands or anything, but they pretty much needed each other, unlike the last movie where the portal had to be destroyed and Iron Man saved the day. Tony even said "Now Thor" or something like that when it was time to do that energy blast or whatever it was.

Okay, Black Widow and Cap taking turns using his shield, Tony and Warmachine helping each other out flying around shooting, Vision borrowing Thor's hammer then gives it back to Thor. Then Shield leftovers showing up to help shoot robots or whatever. But I think I know where you're coming from.

Solid Snake

Maybe this is a spoiler for him?

Supermallet

But how would it be a spoiler? Fury "dies" in Winter Soldier and is shown to be not actually dead in the same movie. GotG was the only film in between WS and AoU, and there's no mention of Fury in that film. It can't be from watching Agents of SHIELD, because Coulson knows Fury is alive in the show.

RoboDad

Yes. All of the "nameless, faceless robots" were Ultron. How this can be construed as a lack of creativity boggles the mind. In an age where wirelessly networked computers are commonplace, it makes perfect sense that Ultron would exploit such technology to expand his consciousness. It also makes sense from the perspective that Ultron was represented as a reflection of Tony Stark. Just look at how many "nameless, faceless" copies of himself he made with the Iron Legion. Ultron was simply mimicking his "father", but taking it to the next level.

It was also made abundantly clear that they were all Ultron during the final confrontation between the Vision and the last "robot". I don't understand how so many people missed such clear parallels.

Because, admitting that would destroy the "let's all bash Marvel" narrative.

fumanstan

Yeah, most of these aren't really what i'm talking about and are just heroes in the same vicinity opposed to interacting with each other in a teamed attack. Either way, I still think there's more teamwork and better flow of action in the first movie.

While I agree the Fury complaint is silly, there's hardly a narrative of bashing Marvel movies in his post or here in this thread. I'm not sure where you're getting that.

Solid Snake

They probably had more teamwork in this movie than all of the first movie. Also the tracking shot worked better in this thing.

Draven

Am I one of the only ones who had zero problems following the action? For situations where a comic book would show a still frame of Captain America's shield hitting 6 guys, the fact that I could easily follow stuff like that in the movie version is a testament to the editing. I thought it was clear as could be.

Ky-Fi

So with all of Ultron's intelligence and power and his ability to travel the internet, the most creative idea he can come up with is an army of robots who can't even take out one taser-wielding chick in a leather catsuit?

(and as an aside, it can hardly be implied that I'm a basher of Marvel movies, as I proudly like both Elektra and Man-Thing---so there!)

fumanstan

To be fair I wouldn't say I had a problem, moreso I thought it was cleaner in the first movie.

Supermallet

Given that they made such a big deal of Ultron being in the net, endless waves of faceless robots IS showing a lack of creativity. Ultron could have emptied Stark's bank accounts, or revealed info on the Avengers to their enemies, or any number of far more interesting things than just building robots that seem pretty darn easy to cut through.

fumanstan

This was a complaint of mine too, but it makes me think that a throwaway line of JARVIS containing Ultron spreading would have been a good enough explanation given that he was the reason Ultron couldn't access nuclear codes.

JoeyOhhhh

I thought there was a line of dialogue saying something to this effect when its revealed that Jarvis wasn't destroyed by Ultron, and that he's what Ultron fears.

fumanstan

I suppose that could be inferred by that dialog, I recall it being said that JARVIS was fighting back without even knowing it.

Supermallet

Stark said that JARVIS' protocols were still operating, but his higher functions were damaged, and that he (somehow) had the power to prevent Ultron from achieving his goals, which is why Ultron attacked him.

That being said, is nuclear codes really the only way Ultron could think to wreak havoc on the net? He seems decidedly unimaginative which is why he didn't really work as a villain. He just made some robots and pulled a Lex Luthor.

Undeadcow

I enjoyed Age of Ultron; it's got some great action set pieces but felt hampered by some of what I imagine to be set up for Civil War. Suddenly Captain America doesn't trust Iron Man (I get the, 'you created Ultron behind our back' part), that felt a tad forced and I think hurt the team dynamics a bit - the balance of plausible mistrust versus desperate cohesion seemed lacking.

Wendon's commenting that the focus on Hawkeye's family was a red herring to make meta-aware viewers suspect Hawkeye would die doesn't make sense to me - it didn't seem obvious anyone would die for most of the film. However, I really liked how that interjected aspects of 'what are we fighting for' into the mix... which I think the film could have used more of.

Despite the death of a character the movie didn't do enough to establish Ultron as a credible threat in my opinion; in the preliminary conflict Scarlet Witch sort of bails Ultron out then later he threatens just a smaller populated area. He is intimidating but there's not enough sense of 'how are Avengers going to win?'

I wish Vision would have had a better conclusion, that character was one of the more interesting additions.
I think the problem is that technology has advanced more than the Ultron character; in the comics he wasn't omnipotent able to harness internet access to decimate information - we are just more use to thinking of cyberspace now due to technology but incorporating that aspect could have deviated too much from the source material. Also, it's worth considering that he primarily focused on the Avengers as the first threat to humanity... I interpreted him trying to rid humans of the superhero danger but later deciding all humans were flawed (I think they just advanced the Ultron character too fast in the movie).

Draven

They had problems with each other in the first movie too. Steve probably felt they had moved past it and then Tony started pulling shit behind his back again. Doesn't seem that far off from something that could happen.

hanshotfirst1138

I understood what they were. I still think that the designs and action sequences were unimaginative.

Giantrobo

No one missed a thing. We saw that. But it doesn't matter if all the robots were Ultron...the battle scenes still came across as nameless faceless robot canon fodder vs The Avengers. Which was a mirror of nameless faceless alien robot canon fodder vs The Avengers in the first film.


Seriously? I think you got this mixed up with a DC movie thread. Plenty of Grade C Bashing in those threads...

Hokeyboy

I haven't seen any Marvel bashing in this thread either

Criticism, on the other hand, there's plenty of -- and well deserved. The movie was good but far from perfect.