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Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
#251
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Pay attention better. Because of what Joey said - IM3 ends with Tony destroying all of his suits and swearing off IM tech yet here is in A2 with zero explanation with a brand new suit with new abilities (sentry mode), an army of robotic Iron Men, new tech (Hulk Buster), and seems to be back in total Iron Man mode. That is not congruent at all with what happens at the end of IM3.
At best, it is a massive retcon. At best.
At best, it is a massive retcon. At best.
No retcon necessary.
#252
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
“The dreams were not an executive favorite either. The dreams, the farmhouse, these were the things I fought to keep...With the cave [sequence with Thor and Erik Selvig], it really turned into: they pointed a gun to the farm’s head. They said, ‘give us the cave or we’ll take out the farm.’”
I did read somewhere that Whedon did take out a major Hulk scene that would've played as huge as his Loki smash, but he took it out for story/pacing/whatever reason. But it won't show up as a delete scene or anything, since I guess it was so good, they're going to re-jigger it and use it in another movie later.
#253
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
The farmhouse was excellent, but both the cave and the dreams weren't done particularly well. I don't know, seems like a push

#254
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Yawn.
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#255
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
The farmhouse was excellent? I don't know, making Hawkeye family man extraordinaire felt off to me.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Off from the comics, sure. But it did add nice character to him. I thought it was good. I didn't want him to be a family guy but it works for me. I thought it was good stuff.
#257
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I liked the farmhouse stuff and revealing that Clint has a family I guess. It was a surprising but yet at the same time prior to this film we haven't really gotten much of his backstory to know any different and there wasn't a reason he'd have brought them up in the past. Plus he's been married and had kids in the comics so it was true to that part of his character.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
It slowed the film to a halt. The only reason it's in there was so Whedon could telegraph Hawkeye's "death", which never happened. It was a set-up for a joke at the end, and not much more. I don't care if this guy has kids; why don't you flesh out Ultron more instead of letting us know Clint has to retile the bathroom?
#259
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
While Ultron definitely should have been fleshed out, I wouldn't sacrifice the Hawkeye stuff to do so; I'd sacrifice the Hulk/Widow romance before that if we're cutting time. I recall criticism of Hawkeye in the first movie being one of the main complaints, so i'm glad to see the character developed here and I like the slower character moments in a movie like this between all the action. It made his pep talk to Scarlet Witch at the end more relatable too as just a guy with a bow and arrow. Can't please everyone

#260
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I liked the farmhouse stuff and revealing that Clint has a family I guess. It was a surprising but yet at the same time prior to this film we haven't really gotten much of his backstory to know any different and there wasn't a reason he'd have brought them up in the past. Plus he's been married and had kids in the comics so it was true to that part of his character.
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#263
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It slowed the film to a halt. The only reason it's in there was so Whedon could telegraph Hawkeye's "death", which never happened. It was a set-up for a joke at the end, and not much more. I don't care if this guy has kids; why don't you flesh out Ultron more instead of letting us know Clint has to retile the bathroom?
#264
Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I didn't mean off from the comics, because I'm fine with deviations from the comics if they work (such as The Mandarin), but this felt off from a character perspective. I just didn't buy Hawkeye as this stand up family man. The film didn't sell it, even though it tried really fucking hard to sell it.
I agree, it's this odd slump right in the middle of the movie where nothing of consequence happens, and nothing comes of it later either. And yet Whedon fought to keep it in the film. Why?
I agree, it's this odd slump right in the middle of the movie where nothing of consequence happens, and nothing comes of it later either. And yet Whedon fought to keep it in the film. Why?
#265
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
I didn't mean off from the comics, because I'm fine with deviations from the comics if they work (such as The Mandarin), but this felt off from a character perspective. I just didn't buy Hawkeye as this stand up family man. The film didn't sell it, even though it tried really fucking hard to sell it.
I agree, it's this odd slump right in the middle of the movie where nothing of consequence happens, and nothing comes of it later either. And yet Whedon fought to keep it in the film. Why?
#266
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Except they went into the motivations of two other Avengers for leaving, and Stark basically said, "My contract on these films is running short. See you in Civil War!"
#267
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Well, they brush upon them. That's the point. If they mentioned *nothing* about why Tony or Bruce was leaving, it would be frustrating. If they went in depth, it would take too much time. As it is, it's a balancing act, and so it will be up to the viewer if it was frustrating or fulfilling. I'm very much not saying that you're wrong for feeling like you do.
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#268
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Saw it in LIEMAX 3D today. Perhaps not as good of a film as the first, but much more fun. An outright comedy, as well. So many laugh out loud moments, and the humor worked (including the slightly "off color" jokes). I really liked Whedon's writing in this more than in any thing I've ever seen from him. People talked like people actually talk, and several moments that you thought were about to be action film cliches got turned on their heads. Very refreshing.
One thing I noticed from reading the other reviews is how hit or miss theater experiences are these days. I got really lucky as our showing was in 3D that was nice and bright with no audio problems at all. Once again reinforces my decision to wait for blu-ray on most releases. And this will be a fun blu-ray, for sure.
One thing I noticed from reading the other reviews is how hit or miss theater experiences are these days. I got really lucky as our showing was in 3D that was nice and bright with no audio problems at all. Once again reinforces my decision to wait for blu-ray on most releases. And this will be a fun blu-ray, for sure.
#269
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As much as I really think Iron Man 2 deserves a better rating but has yet to achieve that, this movie will definitely get a better rating over time. There were too many lines that would play out well in a comic book because you can linger as opposed to being forced to the next scene. I thought Ultron was a blast, I loved the way he was portrayed as a hissy fit kid and he had some great bits, like the "little ones... children that's the word" or the arm-chop bit where he's semi-sarcastic about it hurting. That's the biggest disconnect I have between the reviews and where the movie is at for me because it really was a highlight.
I do agree that the story needed to be fleshed out more, this should have been about twenty to thirty minutes longer. I think they should have explained Ultron's origin in a better way and given the Twins more time to develop with the team, especially The Vision and Wanda. I am curious to see if Ant Man has any threads about Ultron because the whole "We could make Ultron now" seemed to come out of left-field.
I do agree that the story needed to be fleshed out more, this should have been about twenty to thirty minutes longer. I think they should have explained Ultron's origin in a better way and given the Twins more time to develop with the team, especially The Vision and Wanda. I am curious to see if Ant Man has any threads about Ultron because the whole "We could make Ultron now" seemed to come out of left-field.
#270
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
So the farm scene and the cave/pool scene that everyone is complaining about...Marvel wanted one and Joss wanted the other.
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According to Whedon, Marvel was not fond of the act two breather wherein the team takes refuge at Hawkeye's farm; on the other hand, the studio was "quite adamant" about adding in the scenes wherein Thor and Dr. Selvig visit a mystical Norse cave pool.
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#272
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Here's a pretty thoughtful write-up on the movie's themes, which makes me like the movie a little more.
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#273
Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
As much as I really think Iron Man 2 deserves a better rating but has yet to achieve that, this movie will definitely get a better rating over time. There were too many lines that would play out well in a comic book because you can linger as opposed to being forced to the next scene. I thought Ultron was a blast, I loved the way he was portrayed as a hissy fit kid and he had some great bits, like the "little ones... children that's the word" or the arm-chop bit where he's semi-sarcastic about it hurting. That's the biggest disconnect I have between the reviews and where the movie is at for me because it really was a highlight.
I do agree that the story needed to be fleshed out more, this should have been about twenty to thirty minutes longer. I think they should have explained Ultron's origin in a better way and given the Twins more time to develop with the team, especially The Vision and Wanda. I am curious to see if Ant Man has any threads about Ultron because the whole "We could make Ultron now" seemed to come out of left-field.
I do agree that the story needed to be fleshed out more, this should have been about twenty to thirty minutes longer. I think they should have explained Ultron's origin in a better way and given the Twins more time to develop with the team, especially The Vision and Wanda. I am curious to see if Ant Man has any threads about Ultron because the whole "We could make Ultron now" seemed to come out of left-field.
Wow, strongly disagree. If this movie was not called the Avengers I think it would be getting panned pretty badly. It is is unfocused, confusing and boring with maybe the least threatening villain of all time. Of all the Marvel movies I think this will age the worst, as subsequent viewings would be very tedious. Possibly Marvel's worst. I think comic book overload is starting to set in. I think Marvel Phase 3 will start to have very diminishing returns. Just so little that is exceptional in Ultron, I have forgotten most of it I think.
On the pool vs. farm debate I think Marvel had it right. The farm was uber dull and added nothing in my view, yet Thor's storyline was a gaping hole in the plot, one of many.
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I dunno. IM2 and The Incredible Hulk are pretty damn weak. Add in the Thor films aren't that hot either.
He's just not a good character when he's apart from everyone else, yet he has the most potential for the material his property has.
He's just not a good character when he's apart from everyone else, yet he has the most potential for the material his property has.
#275
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (Whedon, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
Wow, strongly disagree. If this movie was not called the Avengers I think it would be getting panned pretty badly. It is is unfocused, confusing and boring with maybe the least threatening villain of all time. Of all the Marvel movies I think this will age the worst, as subsequent viewings would be very tedious. Possibly Marvel's worst. I think comic book overload is starting to set in. I think Marvel Phase 3 will start to have very diminishing returns. Just so little that is exceptional in Ultron, I have forgotten most of it I think.
On the pool vs. farm debate I think Marvel had it right. The farm was uber dull and added nothing in my view, yet Thor's storyline was a gaping hole in the plot, one of many.
On the pool vs. farm debate I think Marvel had it right. The farm was uber dull and added nothing in my view, yet Thor's storyline was a gaping hole in the plot, one of many.
