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The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
12-30-14, 10:08 AM
#101
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah, it's definitely men, elves, dwarves... in the book the others were the goblins and wargs I believe. Wasn't sure if there were any goblins in the movie, so maybe the orcs counted as two armies?
12-30-14, 10:16 AM
#102
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
It's funny, I asked the same question and my friend said it was Orcs, Dwarves, Elves, Men, and whatever the group the Eagles count as. Not sure if that's accurate.
Fuckin' Eagles.
Fuckin' Eagles.
12-30-14, 10:22 AM
#103
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Interesting. Smaug has the highest rating with both audiences and RT, yet I kind of feel it gets weaker with subsequent viewings. The first actually gets better IMO. I felt they really should have ended the second one with Smaug's death, as opposed to having it open this one with no real frame of reference. I also wish they had EE spoiler
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12-30-14, 10:49 AM
#105
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
In a more detailed fashion - I really enjoyed the film. The 9 fight against Galadriel, Saruman, and Elrond was fucking badass and it was cool to Galadriel loc up on Sauron basically banishing him to the East. That's where he basically takes up residence and calls it Mordor(?) for the later LOTR films. It's much different than it was described in the appendices. In those she destroys the tower of dol guldur.
I'm sure we'll get more Beorn action in the extended cut since he was just a cameo in the film. Here's hoping the extended cut tops a hearth 4-hours just like Return of the King did.
I'm sure we'll get more Beorn action in the extended cut since he was just a cameo in the film. Here's hoping the extended cut tops a hearth 4-hours just like Return of the King did.
12-30-14, 11:43 AM
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
12-30-14, 02:50 PM
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In a more detailed fashion - I really enjoyed the film. The 9 fight against Galadriel, Saruman, and Elrond was fucking badass and it was cool to Galadriel loc up on Sauron basically banishing him to the East. That's where he basically takes up residence and calls it Mordor(?) for the later LOTR films. It's much different than it was described in the appendices. In those she destroys the tower of dol guldur. I'm sure we'll get more Beorn action in the extended cut since he was just a cameo in the film. Here's hoping the extended cut tops a hearth 4-hours just like Return of the King did.
. It'll probably be about three hours though.
12-30-14, 03:35 PM
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
They better fucking include all the ending stuff like the funeral and what not. Otherwise what the fuck, Bilbo just peaced out of there like he was ghosting at a party.
12-30-14, 04:03 PM
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Yes, I believe that's the case in the book. I wasn't sure if the Eagles were going to show up in the movie, so I thought for a while that Jackson had replaced them with Bats. But then the Eagles did show up, so that makes SIX armies! Or maybe in the Jackson version Eagles and Bats are out, and the Orcs get counted twice since they come from both North and South.
12-30-14, 04:22 PM
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
I was confused about the armies bit too. Man barely had an army. They showed them w/ the elves and it was ridiculous to even include them in there... they barely registered as a mass w/ the elves.
12-30-14, 05:24 PM
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12-30-14, 05:32 PM
#113
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
For whatever reason, I found the Lord of the Rings trilogy against all odds battles more believable then the battles in the Hobbit. I just don't find realistic that the dwarves can defeat that many orcs. For example, The scene with the four dwarves go after Azog on the mountaintop is laugh out loud ridiculous. Bilbo mentions an Orc army coming and they see 100 mercenaries coming. They decide to split up and Thorin and one other dwarf proceeds to defeats 100 mercenaries off camera! What? The mercenaries must have come from the HK kungfu action movie school of fighting one at a time while the others move around in the background. 13 dwarves bust out of the mountain and they turn the tide against the Orc army. Where was the second Orc army? Barely armed humans in a strangely intact town near the mountain where people seem to known where things are located can hold off heavily armored orcs. Bilbo knocking out heavily armored orcs with rocks. Laughably bad. And Eagles again? Really had low expectations and this movie achieved that.
I did like that in this movie the Eagles were summoned by Radagast. Gandalf mentions Radagast and needing the aid of him and the animals. Late in the movie, Radagast arrives with the Eagles. In fact, in LOTR (the book anyway), the reason an Eagle rescued Gandalf from Orthanc is because the Eagle was actually there looking for Radagast (who Saruman had tricked into luring Gandalf to Orthanc).
12-30-14, 05:34 PM
#114
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Yes, I believe that's the case in the book. I wasn't sure if the Eagles were going to show up in the movie, so I thought for a while that Jackson had replaced them with Bats. But then the Eagles did show up, so that makes SIX armies! Or maybe in the Jackson version Eagles and Bats are out, and the Orcs get counted twice since they come from both North and South.
12-30-14, 05:38 PM
#115
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
If Jackson wanted to involve Smaug in a big set piece, it should've been the attack on Laketown, rather than wasting time with the pointless forgery set piece with the dwarves sliding down chutes. It would've streamlined out a gigantic chunk of problematic narrative issues in the second film, which was going well up to that point.
12-30-14, 06:45 PM
#116
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12-30-14, 07:34 PM
#117
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
So .... I remember reading that we would see the Witch-king get his blade back. Is that EE stuff?
12-30-14, 07:40 PM
#119
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
In the film it was pretty much "Leave Sauron to me" and that's it. I hope there's another scene that shows Saruman at his Tower.
12-30-14, 07:45 PM
#120
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
So we can probably expect the theatrical version to be out on BD around March and the extended edition to come out around November.
I guess I'm a whore for these movies, but I own both the theatrical DVDs for the Lord of the Rings and recently picked up the extended editions on BD (had the extended on DVD)
and now for the Hobbit, I also picked up the theatrical and now extended edition BDs.
I guess I'm a whore for these movies, but I own both the theatrical DVDs for the Lord of the Rings and recently picked up the extended editions on BD (had the extended on DVD)
and now for the Hobbit, I also picked up the theatrical and now extended edition BDs.
12-30-14, 07:55 PM
#121
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
In the books he's never in league with anyone. In the film he just mentions "that something is coming" but doesn't say he's joined forces. I'm sure Sauron would have loved to have had Smaug services but Smaug is only about Smaug. Hell, he's as bad as them Eagles in terms of apathy.
In the book, everyone, the orcs included, want the wealth left behind at the mountain. In the movies they are moving towards the mountain before Smaug is dead, and it is stated the interest in the mountain was not wealth, but establishing a presence in the north. This was when Sauron had yet to regain strength in Mordor, so it makes sense.
12-30-14, 07:57 PM
#122
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
In the EE it is stated outright by Thrain that Smaug and Sauron were in league with one another. The first Hobbit movie and Tolkien's Unfinished Tales have the bit of Gandalf stating that one of the reasons he wanted Smaug out of the picture was so he and Sauron couldn't form a stronghold. I think that by the time Bilbo and co. reached the mountain (at least in the movies) Smaug knew about what was going to happen and would have been happy to let Sauron use the mountain as a fortress provided they didn't try to take the gold.
In the book, everyone, the orcs included, want the wealth left behind at the mountain. In the movies they are moving towards the mountain before Smaug is dead, and it is stated the interest in the mountain was not wealth, but establishing a presence in the north. This was when Sauron had yet to regain strength in Mordor, so it makes sense.
In the book, everyone, the orcs included, want the wealth left behind at the mountain. In the movies they are moving towards the mountain before Smaug is dead, and it is stated the interest in the mountain was not wealth, but establishing a presence in the north. This was when Sauron had yet to regain strength in Mordor, so it makes sense.
12-30-14, 07:59 PM
#123
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
So we can probably expect the theatrical version to be out on BD around March and the extended edition to come out around November.
I guess I'm a whore for these movies, but I own both the theatrical DVDs for the Lord of the Rings and recently picked up the extended editions on BD (had the extended on DVD)
and now for the Hobbit, I also picked up the theatrical and now extended edition BDs.
I guess I'm a whore for these movies, but I own both the theatrical DVDs for the Lord of the Rings and recently picked up the extended editions on BD (had the extended on DVD)
and now for the Hobbit, I also picked up the theatrical and now extended edition BDs.
12-30-14, 08:14 PM
#124
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
I think it is a safe bet that Smaug would have allied himself with Sauron during the War of the Ring. That's one motherfucker you wouldn't want at Helm's Deep or Gondor.
Provided Sauron could separate him from his gold...
Provided Sauron could separate him from his gold...
12-30-14, 08:19 PM
#125
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Jackson, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
I'm okay with how the TC of TBotFA left it because, should you choose to watch these movies in chronological order, it retains the surprise of Saruman being in league with Sauron (the potential for which is setup nicely by his freakout during the Galadriel-Sauron fight).
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