GuessWho

You don't know this.

Obi-Wanma

TGM

Josh-da-man

No, he didn't. The film ended with Rey still holding it out to him. Now, maybe he did take it from her after the fade to black, but we never saw it happen. And he didn't exactly give the impression that he was going to.

Josh-da-man

Another thought on what the "The Last Jedi" might mean.

Consider that the Rebellion has become the Resistance, the Empire has become the first Order, the Sith have become the Knights of Ren.

Maybe, in that sense, Luke is the last Jedi because the Jedi order will be replaced by something new.

Which is an interesting concept, but "Jedi" has been so ingrained into Star Wars and our culture that I don't see Disney abandoning it in any future, post IX films.

Supermallet

I sincerely hope Disney isn't trying to phase out the idea of the Jedi Order. I simply hope this means that Luke is currently the last Jedi, but Rey will be the next.

islandclaws

^ Are you kidding?? They have Jedi Academy at their parks, it's a HUGE part of SW lore. They aren't stupid enough to kill off anything that generates revenue.

Josh-da-man

It's an interesting concept. If you watch Eps I-VII, you can see that it certainly feels like a period of transition.

It's never been clearly stated just whar bringing balance to the Force meant. Maybe Anakin was meant to destroy both the Sith and Jedi so that the light and dark sides of the Force would coexist as equal and opposites. Luke was never meant to bring the Jedi back, and that's why he took off to the lost Jedi temple, seeking answers.

In the new orde, the "Ren" would represent the dark side, and whatever replaces the Jedi would represent the light side. Good and Evil. Light and Dark. Order and Chaos. Two sides, equal and opposite, coexisting in balance. In the prequels, we saw the Sith all but wiped out for generations, while the Jedi grew complacent and lazy. Remember the first trailer... There has been an awakening.. the dark side and the light...

Kylo is the first of the Dark Siders. Rey will be the first of the Light Siders.

A curious thing is that in all of the new Star Wars material, they are expanding the concept of the Force users beyond Jedi and Sith. There's the Bendu on Rebels, Lor San Tekka in TFA, and Chirrut Imwe in Rogue One. It does seem like they are working on expanding the concept of the Force and who uses it. Almost like they're moving geyond the strict Jedi-Sith concept of Force users.

Supermallet

Weren't there half a dozen people with Kylo Ren in Rey's vision? He's referred to as the head of the Knights of Ren, which sounds like an order made up of multiple people. Plus there's Kylo's master too, who isn't a Knight of Ren and may be a Sith or may just have no specific order.

I always hoped the "bring balance to the Force" thing would mean Force users who are not strictly light side or dark side, but ones who accepted both sides of the Force in a yin-yang balance.

As for the other types of Force users, I think that's simply to keep the Force as an active presence to the audience. For all the stuff taking place between RotS and ANH You can't have a ton of Jedi running around, because they've been almost all eradicated.

Josh-da-man

Yeah, there seems to be, currently, some kind of group called the Knights of Ren. But I'm thinking that by the time this shakes out there might be two groups, the Ren and the post-Jedi, existing in balance. It appears that the Sith spent a long time existing as only a single master and single apprentice, which then put the Jedi in a position of complacency, which led to an imbalance in the dark and light. The Sith were something that needed to exist as a potent force in order to keep the light side vigilant.

Possibly, though the yin-yang is black and white in equal balance, not gray.

It would seem that, some time in the past, the Sith grew too ambitious/evil and effectively wiped themselves out. This then allowed the Jedi to lose their vigilance and allow what was left of the Sith to destroy them.

A balanced Force would consist of two groups, one light and one dark, operating openly in opposition to each other.

Supermallet

The yin-yang often has been applied to individuals, so the black and the white can and does co-exist within individuals. That doesn't make everyone grey.

DthRdrX

An interesting theory from Reddit:

TGM

meh.

dex14

Sounds like a lame overthought out theory by a neck beard.

Mabuse

Let's just say I hope he's wrong.

JTH182

I didn't think Kylo had an ancient version of a lightsaber, I thought he just had a cheap knockoff made by a wannabe with shitty parts.

Anyway, that theory sounds pretty crappy. Luke went looking for the first Jedi temple because he was a failure and needed guidance and some alone time.

Dr. DVD

I wonder if we'll ever hear about Midicholorians again? I didn't care for them myself, I would just like to hear Luke or someone dismiss them as a lame ass attempt to explain the force in old times. The more recent stories and movies have made it evident that they are no longer relevant, but dang it I want them dismissed officially!

joe_b

New packaging design for The Last Jedi merchandise launch on September 1st:

Supermallet

I always assumed he built it himself but since he never completed his training, he was working mainly on intuition and guesses.

I recall that in SW lore a Jedi's last test before they become a Knight is building their own lightsaber. So if Kylo never finished his training it would make sense that he didn't know how to properly build one. Maybe I'm misremembering about the lightsabers though.

mcnabb

No Luke in the marketing again? He better have one line in this movie!

Josh-da-man

Looks like Rey still has Luke's (Anakin's) old lightsabre.

Could mean Luke didn't accept it at the end of TFA. No reason to believe he still doesn't have his old green one, though. Also implies that Rey is doing some Jedi training.

Rob V

I'm not following... what's wrong with Kylo's lightsaber? Is it because it appears jagged and has the "exhaust ports"? I figured he wanted it that way... short of the shit we saw Vader do in R1, Ren seemed to have the best grasp on the Force since Yoda was doing back flips in the PT. His capture of the laser beam (shot from Poe) was probably the most impressive thing I've seen in the movies.

Josh-da-man

Kylo Ren's lightsaber was made with a cracked Kyber crystal, which gives the blade its jagged appearance and necessitates the exhaust ports on the side.

Josh-da-man

Looks like "The Last Jedi" of the title is a plural and not a single.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-the...-bi-1792473880

The French, German, and Spanish titles make this explicit.

Deadman31

I don't know man, she's gonna have a hard time wielding that light saber with that bend in it

Also, I hope someone shows her what a shower is in next movie. She was so dirty in the first one