gryffinmaster

The technology is getting closer, but it ain't there yet.

Mind you, I don't think this is a "bad" effort or anything. Just not effective enough for me, personally, to continue appreciating the scenes in which his digital presence brings the authenticity down, which also keeps me from wanting to return to Rogue One.

fumanstan

I think some people are more sensitive then others when seeing these CG characters, especially trying to put together real people. I'd hardly consider it nitpicking or going out of their way to complain.

Giantrobo

Wow, really? His mole? Ok..

I simply did not have that problem. No way am i saying it was perfect, but the way you guys are being distracted by it is too bad.

Giantrobo

Naw, it's very nitpicky. When people love a film things like this are ignored or "forgiven". When they have issues with a film, every single thing becomes...well, "a thing" and you get pages and pages of repetitive complaining. This thread has become a DCEU thread.

gryffinmaster

Sure, but the logic goes for all sorts of distinguishing traits for actors. Scars, jawlines, bags under their eyes: everything that makes up an actor's physical appearance. I'm still not really getting why that's significant, though, since the "increasing artifical" referenced in my post was about the full digital recreation of a human character, and how it "lives" in the same space with real people and sets. Whether it's comparing against the other humans in the room or against Peter Cushing himself, there are tangible differences that grow more prominent the longer CG-Tarkin stays onscreen.

In general, I actually liked Rogue One.

The digital effects surrounding Tarkin limit that to one-shot relative enjoyment of the movie, though, instead of a prequel I would want to watch in front of future screenings of A New Hope.

fumanstan

I'm not taking about general issues, i'm talking specifically about pointing out CGI characters that work or don't work for them. I don't think saying Tarkin doesn't look good to them is being nitpicky at all, and can be judged independently of the rest of the movie. I hated Rogue One but have mixed feelings on Tarkin/Leia. I liked Justice League but can say Cavil's mustache work looked like shit (and worse then Tarkin/Leia).

Mike86

Tarkin wasn’t fully CG was he? I think there was actually an actor but they superimposed Cushing’s face. Maybe its not perfect but I didn’t find it that distracting.

DaveyJoe

Even if the technical effect is perfect, I still think it's morbid to recreate a deceased actor in a movie role. I know his estate approved it and made some money, I just couldn't help wondering if Cushing would have agreed to be in Rogue One. To me it's no different than using Gene Kelly to sell a vacuum. During the Tarkin scenes I was thinking about the ethical implications instead of focusing on the story.

GoldenJCJ

I didn’t have an issue with Rogue One Tarkin but I would have preferred they kept him in the shadows a bit more. The more well lit he was the more obvious the CG became.

Still, CG Tarkin is worlds better than CG Leia.

gryffinmaster

Depends on your definition of full CG, I guess. But yeah, everything from the collarbone down was the actor. Everything from the collarbone up was layers of digital effects.

Josh-da-man

The actor in the mocap stuff looks a lot like Cushing, too.

Supermallet

I've had that thought as well. It's macabre and unsettling, even if it seems momentarily cool to have more scenes with this character that can't be in other movies.

mcnabb

I don't know why they just didn't use the actor who played Tarkin in ROTS, as that guy looked exactly like him. They could have made him up alittle bit to look older for ANH timeline.

And I think the ending should have just been Leia from behind getting the plans with her hood on and the movie ended. As I said before, her face just felt off before.

Josh-da-man

It's something we'll probably have to get used to. As technology improves, this will probably become commonplace.

Though I have to wonder if there would be any interest in the obvious applications of this, like creating new Star Trek TOS episodes or OT-era Star Wars films, as when the technology finally becomes mature, if there will be enough living fans of those things to make it worthwhile.

Giantrobo

But unlike Alec Guinness, didn't Cushing actually enjoy his time on Star Wars, ill-fitting boots notwithstanding... I would like to think he would probably do it. But who knows..


I'd rather see dead actors CGI'd into their iconic roles than product ads. This to me is a far less tasteless use of a dead actor's image, I'm ok with CGI/Actor Tarkin.

JeremyM

You're right. The one on the left looks terrible.

Mike86

I think that would be weird if there were ever full films or episodes featuring deceased actors made to mine the popularity of a franchise for more money. The Tarkin situation didn’t bother me because while he’s got a decent amount of screen time it’s not that much. It probably adds up to less than ten minutes, maybe even five. To me it seemed like it was done to accent the film and give it more of the feel of the Original Trilogy but wasn’t over done. I didn’t find it in poor taste and personally feel that if the family gave approval I don’t need to have a problem with it.

TomOpus

Looks worse now.

RichC2

everything looks like a videogame cut scene these days.

Why So Blu?

Jesusfuckingchrist, you mouth breathers still goin' on about CGI Tarkin? Give it a fucking rest already. Sheesh.

GoldenJCJ

I wonder if in the near future actors will have to start having a clause in their contracts prohibiting their cgi likeness from being used in future installments of any franchises after their death.

fumanstan

You're so cool.

DaveyJoe

Still, he can't consent to his likeness being used if he's dead. Seeing a special effect of a dead actor on screen just kept pulling me out of the movie.

devilshalo

They should have just cast Meryl Streep to be Tarkin.

DaveyJoe

If a character is so essential to the story, I do think they should just recast it. I'm not sure why Tarkin was essential to Rogue One, I think Krennic and Vader could've handled all of the villainous duties just fine. It seems to me like Disney wanted to test run this technology if they ever feel compelled to use it for one of the primary characters.