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Zack Snyder's Director's Cut discussion:
https://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk...exclusive.html
https://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk...exclusive.html
Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
#2602
DVD Talk Legend
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Hey, like 80% of the set pieces are people jumping in front of a green screen, so it all depends on how they're handled in post. And keep in mind that the footage is likely shot well, but Snyder's issues have been with editing them together, which again can change in post.
#2603
Banned by request
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Already an improvement.
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#2604
DVD Talk Hero
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
It wouldn't shock me to find out the mustache thing is a foiler planted by WB's marketing team. This falls into the realm of any news is good news.
A movie the size of Justice League will have a 60-man marketing team.
A movie the size of Justice League will have a 60-man marketing team.
#2605
DVD Talk Legend
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
BTW asking now, over/under 150-minute running time for this.
#2606
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Hey, like 80% of the set pieces are people jumping in front of a green screen, so it all depends on how they're handled in post. And keep in mind that the footage is likely shot well, but Snyder's issues have been with editing them together, which again can change in post.
Think of it like this- If I were called in to take over BvS, I would judge something like the attack on the warehouse by Batman as mostly useable footage.
However I would have gone back and reshot the confrontation scene leading up to it to give a stronger and more logical rationale for it to occur.
A very telling quote as it implies there is a good bit of non action stuff Synder shot that they don't deem useable.
But then the hiring of Whedon should have already clued people in that was the case.
#2607
DVD Talk God
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Henry Cavill is setting the record straight on Mustache-gate
From his Facebook
Dear followers,
It is time to finally set the record straight in this moustache fiasco. Pictured above, is not a set on MI6 but is in fact the latest in a series of weapons being designed by Warner Bros and Paramount Studios to combat the entity know as "Henry Cavill's Moustache". There has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache. It is not a question of IF I should shave - it is a question of how can we possibly be victorious against such a beast without bringing our own doom raining down upon us.
#MI6
#JusticeLeague
#HenryCavillsMoustache
#HopeIsAllWeHaveLeft
#MoustacheImpossible
He also posted a photo, but I can't link Facebook photos here.
From his Facebook
Dear followers,
It is time to finally set the record straight in this moustache fiasco. Pictured above, is not a set on MI6 but is in fact the latest in a series of weapons being designed by Warner Bros and Paramount Studios to combat the entity know as "Henry Cavill's Moustache". There has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache. It is not a question of IF I should shave - it is a question of how can we possibly be victorious against such a beast without bringing our own doom raining down upon us.
#MI6
#JusticeLeague
#HenryCavillsMoustache
#HopeIsAllWeHaveLeft
#MoustacheImpossible
He also posted a photo, but I can't link Facebook photos here.
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#2608
DVD Talk Legend
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Henry Cavill is setting the record straight on Mustache-gate
From his Facebook
Dear followers,
It is time to finally set the record straight in this moustache fiasco. Pictured above, is not a set on MI6 but is in fact the latest in a series of weapons being designed by Warner Bros and Paramount Studios to combat the entity know as "Henry Cavill's Moustache". There has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache. It is not a question of IF I should shave - it is a question of how can we possibly be victorious against such a beast without bringing our own doom raining down upon us.
#MI6 #JusticeLeague #HenryCavillsMoustache #HopeIsAllWeHaveLeft #MoustacheImpossible
He also posted a photo, but I can't like Facebook photos here.
From his Facebook
Dear followers,
It is time to finally set the record straight in this moustache fiasco. Pictured above, is not a set on MI6 but is in fact the latest in a series of weapons being designed by Warner Bros and Paramount Studios to combat the entity know as "Henry Cavill's Moustache". There has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache. It is not a question of IF I should shave - it is a question of how can we possibly be victorious against such a beast without bringing our own doom raining down upon us.
#MI6 #JusticeLeague #HenryCavillsMoustache #HopeIsAllWeHaveLeft #MoustacheImpossible
He also posted a photo, but I can't like Facebook photos here.
Picture from the post:
His instagram has a lot of recent photos of him, sporting a moustache and, sometimes, also a beard:
https://www.instagram.com/henrycavill/
#2612
DVD Talk Hero
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
#2613
DVD Talk God
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
If a shaving company like Gillette were smart, they'd try to get him as a spokesperson. Strike while the iron is hot.
#2616
DVD Talk Hero
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
His instagram has a lot of recent photos of him, sporting a moustache and, sometimes, also a beard:
https://www.instagram.com/henrycavill/
#2617
DVD Talk Hero
#2618
DVD Talk Hero
#2619
DVD Talk Legend
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
How much work it will take to digitally remove Henry Cavill's mustache for 'Justice League,' according to visual effects artists
http://www.businessinsider.com/henry...-remove-2017-7
To understand the scope of the work involved in digitally removing Cavill's mustache in post-production, we contacted prominent visual effects company The Mill. Anne Trotman, Lead 2D Artist, and Dave Fleet, the Head of 3D at The Mill, answered our most pressing mustache removal questions.
How common is it for a mustache to be removed in post-production?
As it turns out, having facial hair removed in post-production is far more common than you might think.
"Yes! It's very common to be asked, particularly on beauty projects. Sometimes celebrities might be shooting a commercial, but need to keep their facial hair for a film, so can't shave on set. Also for different global markets these days some clients need alt versions," Trotman explained.
The difficulty of removing a mustache depends on the techniques needed.
Trotman said that from a 2D perspective, the mustache removal process wouldn't be too hard: "We are using grading techniques as it's not that imposing. If it was on a man, we paint a clean top lip and track that onto the face."
However, Trotman pointed out that the degree of work involved in removing a mustache really depends on how much the actor is moving in a scene. If an actor is moving his head around, as opposed to just looking into a camera, 2D and 3D techniques may need to be employed.
"If the head moves in perspective, this would need to be achieved with 3D and 2D techniques. If the talent is facing the camera straight-on, we can use 2D techniques," Trotman clarified.
Fleet explained that from a 3D perspective, depending on how much facial hair needs to be removed, the breadth of work involved can be difficult, and could potentially include digitally rebuilding an actor's face.
Fleet described the process like this:
"Smoothing out tiny vellus hairs on the skin requires a totally different approach to removing a large volume of hair, like a beard or mustache. If we were to remove a beard we would have to digitally re-build the actor's face behind the hair mass. We would need to build a 3D model of the face and then shade the surface of the skin to look realistic. We would then need to track the 3D model to the movement of his head and potentially re-animate his mouth. The amount of lip animation would depend on how much of the original beard occluded his lips. We would need to paint out the parts of the beard that extend beyond his shaven face."
How long does it take to remove a mustache in post-production?
"Justice League" is expected to hit theaters November 17, slightly over three months away.
Fleet explained the time frame required to build out all the basic elements needed to edit the mustache out: "One week just to make the 3D elements; then another three weeks to track, animate, and render the shaven face; and another two weeks to composite it all together."
It would take about six weeks to edit a mustache out of a one minute clip, and approximately 25 weeks to edit a mustache out of a five minute clip, according to Fleet.
Unfortunately, Trotman and Fleet were unable to give a good approximation of the costs involved in removing a mustache, as it is hard to calculate or predict without having a better sense of the work required. However, a source who is familiar with this kind of work told Business Insider that it's unlikely editing out Cavill's mustache would be a huge cost, since the studio certainly has already 3D modeled his face.
How common is it for a mustache to be removed in post-production?
As it turns out, having facial hair removed in post-production is far more common than you might think.
"Yes! It's very common to be asked, particularly on beauty projects. Sometimes celebrities might be shooting a commercial, but need to keep their facial hair for a film, so can't shave on set. Also for different global markets these days some clients need alt versions," Trotman explained.
The difficulty of removing a mustache depends on the techniques needed.
Trotman said that from a 2D perspective, the mustache removal process wouldn't be too hard: "We are using grading techniques as it's not that imposing. If it was on a man, we paint a clean top lip and track that onto the face."
However, Trotman pointed out that the degree of work involved in removing a mustache really depends on how much the actor is moving in a scene. If an actor is moving his head around, as opposed to just looking into a camera, 2D and 3D techniques may need to be employed.
"If the head moves in perspective, this would need to be achieved with 3D and 2D techniques. If the talent is facing the camera straight-on, we can use 2D techniques," Trotman clarified.
Fleet explained that from a 3D perspective, depending on how much facial hair needs to be removed, the breadth of work involved can be difficult, and could potentially include digitally rebuilding an actor's face.
Fleet described the process like this:
"Smoothing out tiny vellus hairs on the skin requires a totally different approach to removing a large volume of hair, like a beard or mustache. If we were to remove a beard we would have to digitally re-build the actor's face behind the hair mass. We would need to build a 3D model of the face and then shade the surface of the skin to look realistic. We would then need to track the 3D model to the movement of his head and potentially re-animate his mouth. The amount of lip animation would depend on how much of the original beard occluded his lips. We would need to paint out the parts of the beard that extend beyond his shaven face."
How long does it take to remove a mustache in post-production?
"Justice League" is expected to hit theaters November 17, slightly over three months away.
Fleet explained the time frame required to build out all the basic elements needed to edit the mustache out: "One week just to make the 3D elements; then another three weeks to track, animate, and render the shaven face; and another two weeks to composite it all together."
It would take about six weeks to edit a mustache out of a one minute clip, and approximately 25 weeks to edit a mustache out of a five minute clip, according to Fleet.
Unfortunately, Trotman and Fleet were unable to give a good approximation of the costs involved in removing a mustache, as it is hard to calculate or predict without having a better sense of the work required. However, a source who is familiar with this kind of work told Business Insider that it's unlikely editing out Cavill's mustache would be a huge cost, since the studio certainly has already 3D modeled his face.
#2620
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Gee. If only the technology existed to create a real looking fake mustache that could be glued on instead of needing 25+ weeks of cg tracking, animation, and rendering to remove a real one.
Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier for Warner to offer to cover the cost of development and execution of a seriously high quality fake stache he could use for the remainder of the other films shoot?
Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier for Warner to offer to cover the cost of development and execution of a seriously high quality fake stache he could use for the remainder of the other films shoot?
#2621
DVD Talk Legend
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
I was thinking that too. Prosthetics of various sorts are commonplace in film. Would it have been so hard for Paramount to have just made a fake mustache for Cavill to wear during filming? What a dumb thing to have to spend a bunch of time and money fixing.
#2622
DVD Talk Godfather
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Gee. If only the technology existed to create a real looking fake mustache that could be glued on instead of needing 25+ weeks of cg tracking, animation, and rendering to remove a real one.
Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier for Warner to offer to cover the cost of development and execution of a seriously high quality fake stache he could use for the remainder of the other films shoot?
Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier for Warner to offer to cover the cost of development and execution of a seriously high quality fake stache he could use for the remainder of the other films shoot?
#2623
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Gee. If only the technology existed to create a real looking fake mustache that could be glued on instead of needing 25+ weeks of cg tracking, animation, and rendering to remove a real one.
Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier for Warner to offer to cover the cost of development and execution of a seriously high quality fake stache he could use for the remainder of the other films shoot?
Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier for Warner to offer to cover the cost of development and execution of a seriously high quality fake stache he could use for the remainder of the other films shoot?
#2624
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
Yeah, the onus isn't on Paramount to come up with a solution. That's why I questioned why Warner Bros didn't just go to Paramount/ The films producers and offer a far less expensive and just as workable solution. Contracts can be amended in a circumstance like this.
And studios do each other favors all the time. It's good business.
And studios do each other favors all the time. It's good business.
#2625
DVD Talk Legend
re: Justice League (2017, D: Snyder and Whedon) S: Gal Gadot, et al
For Paramount, continuity could be an issue. It'd be one thing if Cavill had been wearing a fake mustache from day one, but now the fake would have to match his real mustache almost exactly or it'd be noticeable in the final edit cutting between the two.
Also, Paramount may feel they're already being accommodating by allowing Cavill to hop between the two projects like he is, since originally the reshoots weren't supposed to happen until later, after M:I 6 had wrapped.
Wheedon may also be shooting Cavill to minimize the amount of 'stache that's visible in the shots, and thus need to be edited out.
Also, Paramount may feel they're already being accommodating by allowing Cavill to hop between the two projects like he is, since originally the reshoots weren't supposed to happen until later, after M:I 6 had wrapped.
Wheedon may also be shooting Cavill to minimize the amount of 'stache that's visible in the shots, and thus need to be edited out.