Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) S: Ford - News, rumors, etc.
#1026
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I imagine that Paramount owns or has some rights to all the films prior to Disney’s purchase of Lucasfilm, but Disney owns anything new. If Disney owned the other films they’d be on Disney+ by now I would think.
#1027
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The deal for new IJ movies (signed circa 2013) is that Paramount will have their logo at the start, and make money off of them, but not have any creative say over them.
#1028
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A bit off topic , but I truly don't get all of the hate for Temple of Doom. It entertained me as an 80s raised kid, and it still does today. I admire them for taking the series in a different direction. Yes, it's depictions of certain races is incorrect, but I can overlook such things.
#1029
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I was more curious in the potential for future projects. Can they just make a Young Indiana Jones TV show? Can they make a Salah spin-off origin movie? Stuff like that. Was wondering if anyone outside of Disney can tell them "No".
I guess not.
I guess not.
#1030
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A bit off topic , but I truly don't get all of the hate for Temple of Doom. It entertained me as an 80s raised kid, and it still does today. I admire them for taking the series in a different direction. Yes, it's depictions of certain races is incorrect, but I can overlook such things.
There is a lot to enjoy about it. I liked most of the humor. The booby trapped tunnels before they get to the human sacrifice sequence is great and fits squarely in line with other Indy action sequences. The bridge finale is a lot of fun and one of the more iconic scenes in the Indiana Jones movies. And Short-Round is that rare child character that isn’t annoying.
#1031
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A bit off topic , but I truly don't get all of the hate for Temple of Doom. It entertained me as an 80s raised kid, and it still does today. I admire them for taking the series in a different direction. Yes, it's depictions of certain races is incorrect, but I can overlook such things.
I rewatched Crystal Skull recently for the first time in several years, and my opinion hasn't changed--it was a huge missed opportunity. 'Mutt' is unlikeable from beginning to end, so thank god they didn't try to continue the franchise with Shia as the lead. I loved that they brought back Karen Allen as Marion, but by the time she shows up the movie pretty much shifts to almost non-stop action and so there wasn't much in the way of meaningful Indy/Marion interaction. And the scenes that aimed for the fun campiness of the previous movies mostly fell flat (the fridge scene, the quicksand scene). Just a real dud.
So as a big fan of the franchise, I'm very hopeful that the new movie will be good and that they learned some things from the mistakes of the last outing. But given how bad that last outing was, my expectations are not high.
#1032
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A bit off topic , but I truly don't get all of the hate for Temple of Doom. It entertained me as an 80s raised kid, and it still does today. I admire them for taking the series in a different direction. Yes, it's depictions of certain races is incorrect, but I can overlook such things.
#1033
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Spielberg first met Capshaw when she auditioned for Temple of Doom, and they started dating some time after it was filmed.
#1034
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Two words: Kate Capshaw. She was absolutely horrendous in this movie. Had she not been Spielberg's wife, I highly doubt she would've gotten the role. Surely the editors and other members of the film crew had to have seen and noticed just how absolutely atrocious her acting was (and I don't blame the script in this instance, I blame her acting skills, or lack thereof). The movie was dark, for sure, and had some great set pieces, but every time I watch it her constant screaming and histrionics and shit just drives me off the walls. Almost any other decent actress at the time would've been better than her. She was just bad, and in my mind ruined the movie. Still not nearly as bad as something like KOTCS, but still not very good.
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#1036
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Two words: Kate Capshaw. She was absolutely horrendous in this movie. Had she not been Spielberg's wife, I highly doubt she would've gotten the role. Surely the editors and other members of the film crew had to have seen and noticed just how absolutely atrocious her acting was (and I don't blame the script in this instance, I blame her acting skills, or lack thereof). The movie was dark, for sure, and had some great set pieces, but every time I watch it her constant screaming and histrionics and shit just drives me off the walls. Almost any other decent actress at the time would've been better than her. She was just bad, and in my mind ruined the movie. Still not nearly as bad as something like KOTCS, but still not very good.
I assume Spielberg and Capshaw were going for some sort of campy delivery from the serials of the 30s and 40s with her performance but I’m not entirely sure since literally no one else in the movie seemed to be going for the same delivery.
#1037
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I think at one point there was even an idea to do a story about the younger days of Marion Ravenwood.
#1038
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Hmm... I don't have strong opinions about Temple Of Doom, because I haven't seen it since probably in the 1990s, even though it was one of those movies I saw new in the theatre as a kid.
I think the reason I'm always skipping it when I'm in the mood for Indiana Jones and put on either Ark or Crusade, is that I remember most of the movie taking place in a single location. Sure it was spiced up by having the secret chambers in the walls and the huge child slave dungeon down below and the mine carts... But I think a big thing I like about the Indy movies is the searching across all these different locations, from elegant palaces to underground caverns, across different countries and cultures. I view Doom as being too small scale. I'm sure I'll watch it again to see how it jibes with what I remember.
I think the reason I'm always skipping it when I'm in the mood for Indiana Jones and put on either Ark or Crusade, is that I remember most of the movie taking place in a single location. Sure it was spiced up by having the secret chambers in the walls and the huge child slave dungeon down below and the mine carts... But I think a big thing I like about the Indy movies is the searching across all these different locations, from elegant palaces to underground caverns, across different countries and cultures. I view Doom as being too small scale. I'm sure I'll watch it again to see how it jibes with what I remember.
#1039
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I can consider the originals trilogy as the beginning and end of Indy. I don’t have much of a problem considering any other Indy adventures as one-offs that don’t ruin my enjoyment of the originals (and if I’m being honest, only two of the three were any good).
As disappointed as I was in KotCS, which wasn’t so much the story (which admittedly wasn’t great) but was more around the lazy directing and cheap feel of the entire movie, I am a little excited for another Indy movie mostly because I love the character and any new Indy is better than no Indy.
I know Harrison Ford wants the character to die with him but the story potential of an archeologist adventurer is too good not to keep the series going whether it’s “Indiana Jones” or someone else.
I’m actually kind of surprised more of these types of movies aren’t made. Outside the Tomb Raider movies and the never-ending production of Uncharted, there really haven’t been any all out adventure movies made in the last 20 or 30 years.
As disappointed as I was in KotCS, which wasn’t so much the story (which admittedly wasn’t great) but was more around the lazy directing and cheap feel of the entire movie, I am a little excited for another Indy movie mostly because I love the character and any new Indy is better than no Indy.
I know Harrison Ford wants the character to die with him but the story potential of an archeologist adventurer is too good not to keep the series going whether it’s “Indiana Jones” or someone else.
I’m actually kind of surprised more of these types of movies aren’t made. Outside the Tomb Raider movies and the never-ending production of Uncharted, there really haven’t been any all out adventure movies made in the last 20 or 30 years.
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#1040
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I love Temple Of Doom. Yeah it’s not perfect, but it’s probably my favorite.
For years I had no idea there was so much hate for it. I mean Capshaw is annoying as hell, but it’s nowhere near enough to sink the movie in my opinion.
It definitely doesn’t fit in the middle to me, that’s why I always watch it first. Chronology that’s the way it is anyway.
For years I had no idea there was so much hate for it. I mean Capshaw is annoying as hell, but it’s nowhere near enough to sink the movie in my opinion.
It definitely doesn’t fit in the middle to me, that’s why I always watch it first. Chronology that’s the way it is anyway.
#1041
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#1042
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I was 8 years old and mesmerized by Kate Capshaw when Temple came out. I will probably get hate for this, but I thought she was much prettier than Marion (and kind of still do). I didn't notice she was a bad actress until much much later.
I still have a soft spot for Temple of Doom.
I still have a soft spot for Temple of Doom.
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#1043
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#1044
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C'mon admit it, didn't that get you little excited and make you smile? I did, the guy's almost 79, he looks great! The only unfortunate thing is this behind the scenes photo being our first look - they should've done a nice promotional shot for the 'now shooting' announcement.
#1045
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That is where it ended for me...
#1046
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Sadly, I have little interest in this movie. The last one was so bad, felt like it was shot entirely on a green screen. I love Harrison Ford... dude looks amazing for his age but there isn't a 79 year old on the planet that could pull off 'Indy' type things that we saw 30 years ago.
#1047
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Counter points - this is a new director and film crew - new energy, new set of eyes on this project. And they aren't going to have Indy doing things he did 30yrs ago (other than what looks to be a flashback) that's the point of interest in the film, an older person at the end of the road, one last quest to go out on, etc.
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Counter points - this is a new director and film crew - new energy, new set of eyes on this project. And they aren't going to have Indy doing things he did 30yrs ago (other than what looks to be a flashback) that's the point of interest in the film, an older person at the end of the road, one last quest to go out on, etc.
Now they have someone that's coming in that has done Logan, 3:10 to Yuma and Ford vs Ferrari. If that don't make your ePeen hard?
#1049
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I really like Mangold as a director and he’s made some great films, but I’d rather see Spielberg complete the series (at least while Ford is still involved).
#1050
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But, like I said earlier, I’m able to keep this movie separate from the original Indiana Jones Trilogy so not having Spielberg complete the series doesn’t really bother me like it once would have.
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Spiderbite (06-10-21)