Big Boy Laroux

The short answer is - mutant hatred storylines came much later.

I think the avengers' back stories are public knowledge. As is the fantastic four. They're a very public group. Spiderman's definitely isn't, so agree there, why isn't he lumped in with mutant hatred?

There has been similar hate-what-you-don't-know individual hatred focused on some of the non-mutants (hulk for sure, spider-man), but definitely not blanket hatred.

But hating based on genetic differences certainly isn't anything new.

taffer

Well, Hulk and Spider-Man are a bit different. Hulk isn't always in control of himself. He isn't always a good guy and has gone on wild uncontrollable rampages. Spider-Man is only hated by JJJ really and sometimes JJJ writes Spidey hate articles in the Daily Bugle which stirs public opinion his way. It's kind of like a precursor to Fox News I guess. Not really reporting the actual factual news but just a very biased opinion.

I do get that the hate of mutants is mostly akin to real life hate of minorities and such. After all the X-Men were created in the 1960s when black civil rights were a hot topic. Nowadays the X-Men have come to represent any hated minority such as gays as well.

It still doesn't make sense for people to hate mutants but not anyone with powers. Anyone with powers is technically a "minority." Why is Spider-Man any different than Wolverine. Spider-Man is just as "different from the norm." Even though Spider-Man wasn't born with his powers, he's still a "minority." Many mutants, such as Beast, Wolverine, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch, have even been Avengers but mutants are still hated. It's not just because the Avengers are government sponsored as to why the public treats them favorably. Remember that X-Factor is a government sponsored mutant team. People still hate them though.

Big Boy Laroux

I do agree that it doesnt make sense on a "hating people with powers" level.

It's all about the hatred of those that are genetically different. And with the mutants, the hatred either comes from high levels (politicians with an agenda) or personal levels (most of the mutants were discovered as teenagers, so dealt with hatred from their own families when they "developed"). The similarities with homosexuality are very apparent (although it did start in parallel with the civil rights movement).

The fear of "it could be my family" is very real and powerful. The likelihood that my kid gets hit with gamma radiation is practically nonexistent, but he very well could be a mutant.

I do agree that Spiderman would logically lump in with that group, because no one knows his origin and how he got his powers. Although no one knows who he really is and he doesn't deal with fear and hatred on a family level.

Solid Snake

It's funny. The whole gay issue never reached my social culture till like high school. So before that it was all about race, cuz I am a minority and it was the 1990s for me. Hitting HS forward though the gay issue became probably more relevant to how the X-Men comics could be more identified w/ homosexuality than race cuz homosexuality has no boundary to existing.

anomynous

http://variety.com/2015/legit/news/s...se-1201412640/


Sansa Stark as Jean Grey

fumanstan

Not bad. Jean is going to be taller then Cyclops again

dex14

Just so all the info is here...

RocShemp

That kid they picked for Cyclops looks like a douchebag. SO perfect casting, I guess.

The Antipodean

The kid playing Cyclops was really good in "Joe," and I'm eager to see Turner do something other than Sansa quivering in fear most of the time. Will be eager to see how much they can muck up the other movies' timelines THIS time out

dex14

I guess you haven't seen Mud or Joe?

RocShemp

Not yet.

RocShemp

It's funny cos they can't even keep the timeline for Wolverine straight and he's the most popular character.

Hazel Motes

wow, you couldn't be more off.

RocShemp

I'm not saying he is a douchebag. Just that the picture chosen there makes him look like one.

Sonic

He looks like a teen Ian McKellen so Magneto should have been his role.

taffer

How so? The movies have a muddled continuity, but I can't think of anything particularly wrong with Wolverine's continuity. The only thing I can think of pertains more to Sabretooth since he seemed like a completely different character in Origins compared to the feral beast he was portrayed as in X1.

I wonder if Wolverine is going to be in Apocalypse. It would be strange to see Jackman interacting with teen Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. Especially since he is in love with Jean. Creepy old man Logan hitting on teen Jean...

james2025a

So is Wolverine gonna have the hots for young Jean Grey in this? Be very strange if it did. Although Singer might use his own personal preference and have Wolverine be attracted to young Cyclops instead.

RocShemp

For one, they never can keep straight where Wolverine was at what time. For instance, I get that DOFP was supposed to erase a lot of events in the X-Men movie canon but, even before such changes went into effect, we see 70's Logan in the US, banging some mobster's daughter, when he's supposed to be in Vietnam with Victor.

Then there's the issue of which Theatre of WWII did Logan fight in. Because X-Men Origins: Wolverine establishes that he was in the European Theatre whereas The Wolverine establishes that he was in the Pacific Theatre, just before the bombing of Nagasaki. And all this before the events of DOFP would have had any effect on anything.

Big Boy Laroux

Isn't it like that in the comics, though? Wolverine is EVERYWHERE.

majorjoe23

This one isn't too complicated to explain. After things were wrapping up in Europe, he was deployed to Japan.

DaveyJoe

The actress is over 18 and very attractive. Besides, Wolverine is like 200 years old so why is a 160 year age difference okay but not a 180 year age difference?


What the fuck?

Solid Snake

Ageism, man.

RocShemp

Really? She doesn't look it.

Meh. She's okay. Not ugly but not a bombshell either. She's like a poor man's Shailene Woodley (who is girl-next-door cute rather than hot).

How old was Jean Grey supposed to be in the X-Men movies with Famke Janssen?

Singer is gay. That became a joke explanation as to why most of the women got their roles cut way down in DOFP.

DaveyJoe

C'mon, she's a beautiful woman. Try comparing her to an average woman rather than a movie star.



Significantly younger than 200.

I know he's gay, he also directed the first two X-Men movies where Wolverine was in love with Jean Grey.

RocShemp

I'm not saying she's ugly. Just not the beautiful woman you make her out to be. She's attractive but not amazingly so. Also, you need to come to Puerto Rico. The average mall chick puts her to shame.

Undoubtedly. But I do wonder how old the characters were supposed to be in the movie. I'm guessing younger than the actors portraying them.

My point is that james2025a was just making a joke.