Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
07-11-15, 08:40 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Yeah Eisenberg hasn't sold me since day one and if this trailer was supposed to do so it did a poor job. Easily the worst part of an otherwise strong trailer and feels very miscast to me.
07-11-15, 08:43 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I'm not sure why someone thought that line of his at the end was smart to put in there. In or out of context of the scene... it's hokey.
07-11-15, 08:51 PM
#6453
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Yeah that line is terrible. So corny and eye roll inducing. Also I know he's wearing a wig but I can't take him seriously with that goofy hair.
07-11-15, 08:52 PM
#6454
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I honestly don't know why people get so upset over the Wayne deaths being shown. I get that it's been done but I'm sure it'll be quick flashbacks since the film isn't an origin story. Really the only film that played it up a lot was Batman Begins but that was an origin film.
07-11-15, 08:56 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
We don't actually know yet that it's unnecessary. Someone earlier mentioned they maybe they will put a twist on it to make it important to the story. Like how Tim Burton had Joker kill the Waynes with the "have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight" revelation which was important to Burton's particular story. Maybe there will be a similar twist in this movie.
07-11-15, 09:05 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
As nice as that looks, that's my big fear. Like Watchman, Snyder really wants to match the visuals from where it was borrowed from. Didn't make for a captivating translation from the graphic novels. This could feel as hollow as what happened with Watchman.
07-11-15, 09:07 PM
#6458
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I actually didn't like that shot for much of the same reason, seems too postured. But it's just a shot.
07-11-15, 09:41 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Trailer is badass. Not sold on Eisenberg, but hard to judge from this footage. I'm still not on board with Amy Adams as Lois.
It's almost like Snyder might know what he's doing.
Exactly. All the audience needs to know is that Batman is out there protecting Gotham. What happened to the Waynes is a non-factor, unless as mentioned it ties into another character or maybe Suicide Squad, etc. Now that there is a DCU it may not have a payoff until a later film.
That being said, I don't think there is any tie in. Just a matter of a new Batman, gotta show it again for whatever reason.
If anyone cares to go back to the MOS thread, well in advance of the movie coming out, I posited these exact same thoughts.
I have absolutely no problem with this conceptually. The vast majority of the worlds population ABSOLUTELY would have a problem if a character like this existed and would definitely fear and demonize him. There are some amazingly broad and interesting dimensions to explore with that premise.
The problem I have is that Superman was no longer allowed to be simply good and earnest and...gentle (for lack of a better word). You could have easily had a realistic reaction to him in addition to him being a supernaturally decent and caring/concerned figure (the kind that stops to get a cat out of a tree for a little girl ,for example). In fact, setting him up like that creates a much more vivid contrast to the way much of society would likely see him that it strengthens the character in my mind, not makes him look silly, cheesy, and weak.
The only reason to cheer this guy on now, after the way we've seen him conduct himself in MOS, is due to assumed empathy. We know he is the hero because of 80+ years of corporate branding. But what we see is mostly just a character acting in his own best self interest (which extends to valuing the life and welfare of Lois and his mother over thousands of other people).
I have absolutely no problem with this conceptually. The vast majority of the worlds population ABSOLUTELY would have a problem if a character like this existed and would definitely fear and demonize him. There are some amazingly broad and interesting dimensions to explore with that premise.
The problem I have is that Superman was no longer allowed to be simply good and earnest and...gentle (for lack of a better word). You could have easily had a realistic reaction to him in addition to him being a supernaturally decent and caring/concerned figure (the kind that stops to get a cat out of a tree for a little girl ,for example). In fact, setting him up like that creates a much more vivid contrast to the way much of society would likely see him that it strengthens the character in my mind, not makes him look silly, cheesy, and weak.
The only reason to cheer this guy on now, after the way we've seen him conduct himself in MOS, is due to assumed empathy. We know he is the hero because of 80+ years of corporate branding. But what we see is mostly just a character acting in his own best self interest (which extends to valuing the life and welfare of Lois and his mother over thousands of other people).
This. Man of Steel was a more "realistic" portrayal of what would happen if it was revealed that aliens had come to Earth. It's not the Silver Age goofiness where everyone just blindly accepts an alien. Realistically everyone would be shitting their pants to know that aliens are real. Realistically Ma and Pa Kent would want Clark to hide his secret as long as possible. People would not just blindly accept him in the real world.
The conflict between the two characters is well earned from the events of MOS.
The big problem for me is, I have no sympathy towards Superman here. All sympathy is firmly with Bruce and Batman. He deserves to prevail because according to what went down in MOS, Superman is a colossal threat to humanity...even if he doesn't intend to be.
Hell of a way to ground the "hopeful beacon of the DCU.
The big problem for me is, I have no sympathy towards Superman here. All sympathy is firmly with Bruce and Batman. He deserves to prevail because according to what went down in MOS, Superman is a colossal threat to humanity...even if he doesn't intend to be.
Hell of a way to ground the "hopeful beacon of the DCU.
That being said, I don't think there is any tie in. Just a matter of a new Batman, gotta show it again for whatever reason.
07-11-15, 09:59 PM
#6461
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Luthor possibly might be, but I got the impression that Batman isn't really trusted either. A voiceover about one minute into the trailer talks about Batman's vigilantism and calls it a reign of terror. It also shows some shirtless guy with a Bat-symbol carved into his skin. I get the impression that this Batman is especially brutal.
07-11-15, 10:29 PM
#6463
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
We don't actually know yet that it's unnecessary. Someone earlier mentioned they maybe they will put a twist on it to make it important to the story. Like how Tim Burton had Joker kill the Waynes with the "have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight" revelation which was important to Burton's particular story. Maybe there will be a similar twist in this movie.
I'm hoping that Marvel handles Spider-Man better and doesn't have a whole setup with him getting bitten and Uncle Ben dying but it's a faint hope. Audiences are not as stupid as executives think.
07-11-15, 10:38 PM
#6465
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
We've only actually seen the origin with Thomas and Martha being gunned down twice out of eight Batman films and really the origin is only shown fully in one film. Burton very briefly showed parts of it in flashbacks in Batman and in Batman Begins where it was a much more focal point of the film. Their funeral was touched on in Batman Forever but other than the two films mentioned it hasn't been shown. I'm betting what's going to be seen in this film will be more like how Burton handled it.
07-11-15, 10:49 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
For those unfamiliar with Batman's origins:
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07-11-15, 10:51 PM
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07-11-15, 10:52 PM
#6469
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Thanks Groucho. I was having a hard time recalling exactly how it went down.
I skipped the Garfield Spider-man movies so hopefully Marvel can refresh my memory on him as well.
But that's not the only medium the general public is familiar with Batman.
I skipped the Garfield Spider-man movies so hopefully Marvel can refresh my memory on him as well.
But that's not the only medium the general public is familiar with Batman.
07-11-15, 10:55 PM
#6470
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I'm not saying its necessary to show just pointing out it hasn't been used as much as some are making it out to have been. TV shows are a different medium and I imagine more people are familiar with the origin from the films because they reach a wider audience. Especially a lot of those animated shows and films. Plus I'm guessing there's a reason for it being there.
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07-11-15, 11:04 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Avengers was the same way. The characters had no prior history together before their first team-up in the first Avengers movie. Yet the very first time they come together, they end up clashing. Thor comes to Earth to get Loki, and suddenly Thor is fighting Iron Man and Captain America for no real reason other than because it looks cool on screen. Then a few minutes later they calm down and become friends. But people didn't nitpick that like they are nitpicking BvS.
07-11-15, 11:05 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Eisenberg sucked. He doesn't know how to sell an intentionally cheesy line like "here come the red capes". Guys like Jon Hamm and Billy Zane know how to sell lines like that.
But other than Eisenberg sucking in every clip of him in that trailer (and my now really liking the brief glimpses of Wonder Woman in action), I really dug that trailer overall. I am definitely still looking forward to this one.
But other than Eisenberg sucking in every clip of him in that trailer (and my now really liking the brief glimpses of Wonder Woman in action), I really dug that trailer overall. I am definitely still looking forward to this one.
07-11-15, 11:13 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
The conflict between the two characters is well earned from the events of MOS.
The big problem for me is, I have no sympathy towards Superman here. All sympathy is firmly with Bruce and Batman. He deserves to prevail because according to what went down in MOS, Superman is a colossal threat to humanity...even if he doesn't intend to be.
Hell of a way to ground the "hope"ful beacon of the DC U.
The big problem for me is, I have no sympathy towards Superman here. All sympathy is firmly with Bruce and Batman. He deserves to prevail because according to what went down in MOS, Superman is a colossal threat to humanity...even if he doesn't intend to be.
Hell of a way to ground the "hope"ful beacon of the DC U.
There is no conflict between these characters from MoS. This is a retcon worthy of the Planet of the Apes circa the 1960s.
Sympathy for Bruce!? Really? "I see something I am afraid of, so it is my duty to kill it!" Sounds like an 8-year old discovering insects for the first time. This is a fitting reaction given our societal views today, and it is a great premise for this film, but it certainly does not induce any sympathy for Bruce Wayne (at least in me). Bruce Wayne is acting the way I would expect Lex Luthor to act. "I can be a colossal threat, but nobody else can be."
07-11-15, 11:19 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Except that the vibe I got from the trailer is that Bruce retired after
So it seems that it's not how you spin it, Abob Teff (that Batman can be a threat but Superman has no right) but rather that he fears that Superman is enough of a threat to force Bruce out of retirement. Heck, I bet the reason we'll revisit the origin is a means to contrast why Bruce became Batman versus why he retired. And in turn present Bruce's rationalization for ending his self imposed retirement.
Spoiler:
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07-11-15, 11:31 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Rocshemp, you might want to spoiler tag that first sentence. I personally don't care, but I'm sure someone will complain you spoiled it for them even though it's just a rumor.
I also got the impression that Bruce retired the cowl after
I also got the impression that Bruce retired the cowl after
Spoiler: