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Man of Steel - The Reviews Thread

Old 06-23-13, 01:31 PM
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Ok I admit, this is one other point I'm not clear about. I thought it was the yellow sun that was giving him his power? If being in an alien ship means his powers could weaken, wouldn't they also weaken when he was out of direct sunlight? If not, wouldn't that imply it was more than just sunlight?
It seems it was indeed more than just sunlight. The Kryptonian atmosphere made him "sick" and therefor weak. Like when he's near Kryptonite in the comics. But the lack of direct sunlight doesn't immediately drain his powers. Otherwise, he'd have no heat vision on his way to the scout ship or in it. However, even with his strength at 100%, the security drone managed to draw blood and even come close to overpowering him. That establishes that even with all his power, he was still vulnerable.

On Zod's ship, it was mentioned that he could eventually adapt to Kryptonian atmospherics. And he did that somewhat when he faced the World Engine. It weakened and a pained him but he managed to destroy it. Though he still needed to recharge with the sun. But this does imply that even if Zod terraformed the Earth, the Kryptonian's would still eventually retain the powers they gain from the yellow sun.

But, again, that's not as clearly established as it should be. And it's something that Emil Hamilton would have been useful at explaining. Which irks me again that they offed him.

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Jonathon Kent usually would be the moral touchstone of this story. In the embarrassing, pathetic 70's version, Pa Kent explicitly states he wanted Clark to not use his powers to avoid detection because he feared if they came to light, he would be taken away from them. It was a selfish concern and the way he trails off trying to rationalize it implies he knows it may not have been for any virtuous reason. But then to bring it back around, he says he knows he is here for a reason, and that reason is not to score touchdowns i.e. not to simply glorify yourself.
And I fully concede in a teen mom TV reality show, end zone spiking, humungous gold chain wearing rapper 21st century- that specific notion is quaint and dated.
But while I can understand the 'things are going to hit the fan if people find out your an alien' sentiment, the following 'so even if you have the opportunity, maybe you should just let people die' equivalency is so far afield of the kinds of values we expect him to instill, you have to wonder if Pa Kent here was more of an impediment to his moral growth than a nurturer.

I was a bit disturbed by that exchange in the trailer, but I was sure there would have been more to that conversation we weren't seeing that would have put it in context and allowed Jonathon to gracefully walk part of that back. But no. Neither Goyer nor Synder were that smart apparently.
I found Pa Kent to be a flawed and conflicted human being. He wanted Clark to do good but he also feared what would happen if people truly knew what Clark was. He was "selfish" as all parents are regarding the well being of their children. But he also knew Clark was meant for more than just hiding out in a farm, despite their argument in the car. It was an interesting balancing act and far more "real" than the righteous moral compass Pa Kent is traditionally presented as being. But I understand why people would have issue with it.
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Old 06-23-13, 01:43 PM
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New worldwide gross is now $398.3 million per Deadline Hollywood.
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Someone in this thread has no clue what a hipster is.
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Someone in this thread has no clue what a hipster is.
Don't put me on your ignore list, bro.
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Someone in this thread has no clue what a hipster is.
To this day I'm still not sure what they are. Most people I see described as hipsters just sound like douchebags to me.
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Old 06-23-13, 05:36 PM
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To this day I'm still not sure what they are. Most people I see described as hipsters just sound like douchebags to me.


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Old 06-23-13, 05:46 PM
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*pointing out in bold name calling to avoid any sort of discussion or actual debate*



I don't think you understood what I was doing there.
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Old 06-23-13, 05:48 PM
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Had to say it twice eh?
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Old 06-23-13, 07:04 PM
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I found Pa Kent to be a flawed and conflicted human being. He wanted Clark to do good but he also feared what would happen if people truly knew what Clark was. He was "selfish" as all parents are regarding the well being of their children. But he also knew Clark was meant for more than just hiding out in a farm, despite their argument in the car. It was an interesting balancing act and far more "real" than the righteous moral compass Pa Kent is traditionally presented as being. But I understand why people would have issue with it.
I think there's a fine line between righteousness and self-righteousness. Jonathan wasn't sure what to say about those people on the bus, because he's not divine, and either is Kal-El. The point of that scene was to show it's not their job to decide on a whim who deserves to live or die. Clark did the right thing for his fellow students, but he also risked exposing his existence, and it was a dangerous gamble. Jonathan and Martha were trying to teach him the need for a healthy balance of authority and compassion.
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Old 06-23-13, 10:13 PM
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I didn't get any of that, moviefan. I got that from the parents in the Donner movies, even in Smallville and Superman Returns. But not in MOS. Jonathan in MOS was a bit of a cowardly wimp. Barely anything in the movie showed Superman for what he should be and what's he's always been and stood for.
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Old 06-23-13, 11:00 PM
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I can't imagine dinners at the Kents were all that fun after the tornado...
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Old 06-23-13, 11:06 PM
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Finally went to see this today and was pleasantly surprised. Helped immensely that my expectations were lowered significantly after the initial reviews started coming in last week and the feedback here.

I liked the first half more than the second. Thought the destruction in the final act went on far too long. Liked some of the subtle callbacks to the Donner movie (trucker harassing Clark, Supes hitting Zod with a steel beem). Not much chemistry between Supes and Lois. Crowe was okay as Jor-El but wasn't much of a fan when his conscience kept popping up. I did like Costner as Jonathan -- despite his bone headed move of risking his life to save the dog. The soundtrack wasn't iconic, but worked well in several scenes.

I'd give the movie a solid B.
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Old 06-24-13, 12:04 AM
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I didn't get any of that, moviefan. I got that from the parents in the Donner movies, even in Smallville and Superman Returns. But not in MOS. Jonathan in MOS was a bit of a cowardly wimp. Barely anything in the movie showed Superman for what he should be and what's he's always been and stood for.
Well, several other attempts have been far less than stellar with Superman's moral character, even the "Smallville" series. I liked "Man of Steel" because for once, he actually got to fight someone without holding back. I'd love for a sequel to feature someone like Brainiac, Darkseid, or even the psycho version of Kara.

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I can't imagine dinners at the Kents were all that fun after the tornado...
Yeah, that was a really sad scene, and completely unexpected. Jonathan deliberately holding Clark back from saving him was so heartbreaking; I felt for both he and Martha in that moment.
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Old 06-24-13, 12:28 AM
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That's what I always liked about Superman. He almost always managed to find a way to beat the bad guys without going overboard or berserk. He was always on the watch for people that might get in the way and, even if it meant that the bad guy would get away (at least temporarily), he would stop in the middle of a fight and help someone that was in danger. Especially if they were in danger because of the fight he was in the middle of. I didn't get that from Man Of Steel.

If they're going for a more realistic approach with this new series of movies, then I really don't see them being able to use Brainiac. Especially if they wanted to use him as he's almost always been portrayed.

And the heartbreaking scene with the tornado ? I had the opposite reaction. I was extremely angry at the whole thing. Not as angry as with the ending of Watchmen or the entirety of Cloverfield or Toy Story 3, but still...

Darkseid could be cool, though. What psycho version of Kara ?
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Old 06-24-13, 12:50 AM
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Yeah, that was a really sad scene, and completely unexpected. Jonathan deliberately holding Clark back from saving him was so heartbreaking; I felt for both he and Martha in that moment.

If by sad you mean nonsensical, and by unexpected, you mean contrived (seriously..a tornado? Jonathan Kent dies by tornado? Talk about manipulative and bombastic!), and if by heartbreaking you mean confusing, then yes, I felt for both Clark and Martha at that point.

I don't think this clumsy scene deserves any emotional investment. It was just another large-scale destructive moment awkwardly executed to convey a moral which didn't make any logical or rational sense. The director really screwed up that moment.
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Old 06-24-13, 01:18 AM
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Don't put me on your ignore list, bro.
The fact that we're passionately arguing about the film on its own merits pretty much proves we're not hipsters.

If we were hipsters, we'd only cop to liking Superman comics from the '30s. And even then only the panels where he isn't using his powers.
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Old 06-24-13, 01:22 AM
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Yeah, the thing about Pa Kent's death in various other sources via a heart attack was that Superman is utterly helpless to prevent it. A fucking tornado though? Come on man, no me chingas.
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he didn't want him to save him, whats the big deal, maybe he was suicidal
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but ya they both should of just let the dog die
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Old 06-24-13, 02:22 AM
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I just saw the movie yesterday and I'm pretty disappointed. I really wanted to like it despite the reviews, but I just didn't.

Superman Returns was criticized for not bringing anything new to the table, so Man of Steel was supposed to be a fresh new beginning. But in the end, its just a remake of Superman 1 and 2. At least Superman Returns tried to extend the story.

I'm not completely against remakes. But everything in the originals was better (the pace, the casting, the writing, the music, the costumes, the set design).

I guess, once again, I'll just stick with the original.
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I'll just stick with the original.
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At least Superman Returns tried to extend the story.
That made no sense. How did that kid get super powers? I thought Clark had to give up being super to be with Lois. Either it's a flawed concept that was tacked on to add "drama", or his sperm stays super even when he's not.
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Old 06-24-13, 08:25 AM
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Didn't hate it, but didn't love it. As I'm sure has been stated before there were times when it felt too much like a Bay or Emmerich movie and I found myself checking my watch. I was surprised at how boring Amy Adams and Micheal Shannon were.

I did like Caville in the role, so I'm still in for future entries.

Not trying to nitpick, but do we know what the ultimate plan for putting all that genetic code into Kal was?
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Old 06-24-13, 09:30 AM
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I was also a little confused about the Phantom Zone. Was it still a parallel dimension? Zod seemed to indicate that his people were adrift in the vicinity of destroyed Krypton, but managed to reverse engineer the phantom drive to get back, but I don't understand how they got free in the first place... surely the destruction of Krypton wouldn't have affected them in the Phantom Zone?

What prevents the other military Kryptonians from breaching the Phantom Zone again? Don't they now have two Phantom Drives, and no restraints? Granted it took them 30+ years to get out, but still. Are the humans alive there too?
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Another reason MOS suffered is that the novelty of believing a man can fly has worn off in the last 35 years. It was a big deal in '78 and thus the tagline for the movie. That moment when Supes first takes to the air in the Fortress of Solitude after his journey with Jor-El -- magical.

35 years later and essentially the same scene -- not so much.
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