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The Man Who Knew too Much
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Heaven Can Wait
1.52%
Cape Fear
3.03%
Sorcerer
3.03%
The Thing
37.88%
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
1.52%
The Magnificent Seven
1.52%
The Fly
10.61%
Nosferatu
1.52%
True Grit
3.03%
Scarface
7.58%
The Departed
9.09%
Ocean's Eleven
3.03%
The Hills Have Eyes
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0%
Casino Royale
9.09%
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Favorite movie remake?

Old 03-17-13, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post

Do people seriously think the newer The Thing is a remake of John Carpenter's The Thing?
No, but the new True Grit has the exact same plot as the old True Grit. How is that not a remake?
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Casino Royale isn't a remake.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Originally Posted by JZ1276 View Post
Can't really call the poll favorite remake of "All-Time" unless you wanna post every remake ever made. Should've been called "Favorite remake on this list". For me, it's a toss up between Cape Fear and Scarface. I chose Scarface though.
Well "other" was a poll option, so you could have named any remake you wanted to, it didn't have to be any of the films listed.

But yeah it's a pretty vague poll, it's all over the place

I should have tightened it up.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC View Post
True Grit and Casino Royale are not remakes though. TG is merely another adaption of the book, staying truer to it. And Casino Royale is a an actual adaptation of the book where the 1967 film was a satire film made only as such cuz it couldn't get worked out with Eon. It takes no real elements from that film.
True Grit...same characters, same plot. That's a fucking remake.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Originally Posted by whoopdido View Post
No, but the new True Grit has the exact same plot as the old True Grit. How is that not a remake?
Honestly, I haven't seen either version and I'm not familiar with the source material. It sounds like a remake to me!

Another example of "returning to the source material" is Planet of the Apes. Tim Burton's is a revsiting of the source material. There are enough core differences between the two films that you cannot call the more recent a "remake." (Yet neither is still really close to the source material beyond the concept.)

On a side note ... can anybody tell me the story of why the new The Thing was titled The Thing? Why did they not select a different title to better distinguish the two?

(BTW, I voted "other" ... I'm not big on remakes, but I am partial to Dawn of the Dead.)
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It's a remake. Carpenter has admitted so while also using the source material. It's very much a remake.
It is NOT a remake. It's based on the same story as the 1951 movie, more closely based, but it's not a remake.
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather View Post
It is NOT a remake. It's based on the same story as the 1951 movie, more closely based, but it's not a remake.
That is such a slippery slope distinction to make. By your definition, a remake can only exist of a film with an original script. In theory, every film that remakes a film that is an adaption of a play or novel, is revisiting the source material unless they don't hire a new screenwriter and shoot off the original film's script (Psycho remake falls into this category).

If you want to narrowly define "remake" like that, I can get on board with it. But, if that's the case then any film that is based upon a film adaptation cannot be called a remake. This would include the recent Straw Dogs (original was an adaptation), which went so far as to replicate the original film's poster...but, cannot be considered a remake under your rubric.

The Departed is still a remake. Cape Fear is not.
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Originally Posted by Terminal View Post
John Carpenter's The Thing. Easily.
No question.
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I think to keep it simple, a remake should simply be defined as a movie that very closely follows the plot of a movie made in the past. Perhaps they have different names (The Departed/Infernal Affairs) and perhaps some plot points are slightly different, but if they're essentially the same movie but with different actors and possibly an updated/more modern tone, then it's a remake. Take the new Karate Kid movie...I haven't seen it so I don't know all the specifics, but even if it's not exactly the same as the original, it's still about a kid who betters himself by learning karate from an older man.

That would make it much simpler and we wouldn't have to squabble about what's TECHNICALLY a remake vs a different adaptation of souce material.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Originally Posted by BambooLounge View Post
By your definition, a remake can only exist of a film with an original script.
Don't know where you got that. The Thing isn't a remake. Let's say there's a story. A movie is made from that story. Then, a few years later, another film is made. The first movie was based on the story. The second movie was also based on the story, but followed the story more closely. This second movie, by definition, is an adaptation. This is the case with the 1982 Thing.

Of course, you could watch the first movie and think that you could improve on it, so you make the movie over again. THAT is a remake.

John Carpenter himself has said that his Thing movie wasn't a remake because "I couldn't imitate it." So, he made a version of the story the first movie was based on.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Originally Posted by whoopdido View Post
I think to keep it simple, a remake should simply be defined as a movie that very closely follows the plot of a movie made in the past. Perhaps they have different names (The Departed/Infernal Affairs) and perhaps some plot points are slightly different, but if they're essentially the same movie but with different actors and possibly an updated/more modern tone, then it's a remake.
If I went with this, The Thing 2011 could definitely be counted as a remake(pre-make?). But then again, The Thing 2011 shouldn't even be mentioned in a favorites thread unless it's your favorite shit stain.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Well it looks like we could try to define remake all day. I knee-jerk chose Casino Royale (over Fly & Thing) merely because the orginals of those 2 were good too but in the case of CR, it's 'remake' was a 100% improvement.
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Originally Posted by Tarantino View Post
True Grit...same characters, same plot. That's a fucking remake.
And that's because they're based on a book. The Coen film doesn't base itself on the classic Wayne film. I think it takes the eye patch from it, did Cogburn have an eyepatch in the book cuz I've forgotten.

In film, a remake is a film basing itself on a previous film as it's source material. The Coen film didn't. Casino Royale didn't. Their source text was the literature. So merely another adaptation.

The Thing, prequel, plays it in a cheap way. It's a prequel because it leads to the film we love. But...it does it by essentially remaking moments from Carpenter's film. But it's dominantly a prequel by it's narrative.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

guess gonna have to watch that 2011 Thing remake, and i thought it looked kinda silly what do u know
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Yeah the new Thing is not a remake. It's a prequel. That would like calling Temple of Doom a remake of Raiders. The new Thing had a similar plot (I think...never saw it) but it obviously leads directly into Carpenter's Thing since the last scene of 2011 is exactly the same as the first scene of 1982. That's a prequel...not a remake. I think some here are being a bit nit picky about some others not being remakes though.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Originally Posted by whoopdido View Post
Yeah the new Thing is not a remake. It's a prequel. That would like calling Temple of Doom a remake of Raiders. The new Thing had a similar plot (I think...never saw it) but it obviously leads directly into Carpenter's Thing since the last scene of 2011 is exactly the same as the first scene of 1982. That's a prequel...not a remake. I think some here are being a bit nit picky about some others not being remakes though.
It's not the same thing calling TOD a remake of Raiders. The Thing 2011 hits some of the same damned story beats as Carpenter's but I'm not so fucking dense that I don't know that narratively, yes, it does come before Carpenter's The Thing. That's why I'll just use my own made up word and call Thing 2011 a premake. And it can go fuck itself too.
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Don't know where you got that. The Thing isn't a remake. Let's say there's a story. A movie is made from that story. Then, a few years later, another film is made. The first movie was based on the story. The second movie was also based on the story, but followed the story more closely. This second movie, by definition, is an adaptation. This is the case with the 1982 Thing.

Of course, you could watch the first movie and think that you could improve on it, so you make the movie over again. THAT is a remake.

John Carpenter himself has said that his Thing movie wasn't a remake because "I couldn't imitate it." So, he made a version of the story the first movie was based on.
I don't care what Carpenter said. The Thing IS a remake. If you make a film based upon the same source as another film, you're remaking that initial film bc you are telling the same story from the same source regardless if you tell it differently (closer to or further from the source material).

Making a film adaptation of a novel or story that someone else has already adapted is a remake. You are making another (remaking) film adaptation of that source. It doesn't matter if the director isn't even aware of the film that came before.

If you discover land you never heard of before, but it was found by simeonelse earlier, you rediscovered that land bc it had been discovered before.

The only way your Thing argument works in separating a subsequent adaptation from a remake would be to redefine a remake in the way I described in the post you quoted.

Imitation is different than remaking. One may imitate a prior film in a remake or may not, but the film is still a remake if another film based upon the same source was made prior.
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True Grit was a remake.
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From that list:
1. The Thing
2. Invasion of the Body Snatchers ('78)
3. Cape Fear

All excellent and superior to the originals, in my opinion.
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I think the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers was better because the paranoid atmosphere worked better for that era. Everyone seemed so straight laced that when they became pod people it was hard to tell others unless you looked really close and noticed something was off. The remake was still exceptionally good though.

They were on a roll with the horror remakes: the thing, invasion and the fly. I heard the Fog wasn't so great though.
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Doing another adaptation of a book is not remaking; that's just trying to go by some letter-code that's too narrow.

Just to follow with the topic though, I would say Scarface and The Thing are 1 and 2 but an honorable mention would be Abel Ferrara's Body Snatchers; a pretty good take on the concept and it was well-directed and that last line in the film was pretty creepy.
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Re: Favorite movie remake?

Originally Posted by whoopdido View Post
Yeah the new Thing is not a remake. It's a prequel. That would like calling Temple of Doom a remake of Raiders. The new Thing had a similar plot (I think...never saw it) but it obviously leads directly into Carpenter's Thing since the last scene of 2011 is exactly the same as the first scene of 1982. That's a prequel...not a remake. I think some here are being a bit nit picky about some others not being remakes though.
....think you kind of lost it there w/ TOD and Raiders. It's very clear what they are.

The problem w/ the new uh...The Thing is that it uses moments so closely attached to Carpenter's film in it's narrative to lead up to...Carpenter's film. It's a prequel...but it sure as hell treads the line of being a remake very fucking close.
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John Carpenter's The Thing, followed by Cronenberg's The Fly and Invasion of the Body Snatchers '78.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC View Post
The problem w/ the new uh...The Thing is that it uses moments so closely attached to Carpenter's film in it's narrative to lead up to...Carpenter's film. It's a prequel...but it sure as hell treads the line of being a remake very fucking close.
I call it a premake.
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Original: Last Man on Earth = decent movie
1st Remake : Omega Man = very good movie
2nd Remake : i am Legend = good movie, bad ending

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