A crowd favorite : Entertainment Weekly's 25 Greatest Working Directors 2013
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A little better than some of the older ones, but still a joke.
Steven Spielberg
Quentin Tarantino
Martin Scorsese
Kathryn Bigelow
Terrence Malick
David Fincher
Joel and Ethan Coen
Paul Thomas Anderson
Woody Allen
Mike Leigh
Ben Affleck
Christopher Nolan
David O. Russell
Michael Haneke
Darren Aronofsky
James Cameron
Alexander Payne
Ang Lee
Roman Polanski
Peter Jackson
Lars Von Trier
Wes Anderson
Spike Lee
Pedro Almodovar
Clint Eastwood
A little better than some of the older ones, but still a joke.
Steven Spielberg
Quentin Tarantino
Martin Scorsese
Kathryn Bigelow
Terrence Malick
David Fincher
Joel and Ethan Coen
Paul Thomas Anderson
Woody Allen
Mike Leigh
Ben Affleck
Christopher Nolan
David O. Russell
Michael Haneke
Darren Aronofsky
James Cameron
Alexander Payne
Ang Lee
Roman Polanski
Peter Jackson
Lars Von Trier
Wes Anderson
Spike Lee
Pedro Almodovar
Clint Eastwood
Are those in order?
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Putting Spike Lee on there is like putting Jack Nicholson on a greatest working actors list. It's been more than 10 years since 25th Hour, arguably his last notable film.
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I like both QT and Lee, don't get me wrong, but Miracle at Saint Anna is a wonderful film that pays homage to one of the greatest eras in film history.
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If it was a Hollywood only list it would be somewhat acceptable but not having the Dardenne brothers on that list makes it an automatic fail.
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It amazes me how little love Miracle at Saint Anna gets. QT makes a celebrated living off of pure homage cinema and Lee directs a heartfelt homage to Italian Neorealism and it gets completely ignored.
I like both QT and Lee, don't get me wrong, but Miracle at Saint Anna is a wonderful film that pays homage to one of the greatest eras in film history.
I like both QT and Lee, don't get me wrong, but Miracle at Saint Anna is a wonderful film that pays homage to one of the greatest eras in film history.
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The ones who deserve to be on the list.
Steven Spielberg
Quentin Tarantino
Martin Scorsese
David Fincher
Joel and Ethan Coen
Paul Thomas Anderson
Woody Allen
Ben Affleck
Christopher Nolan
David O. Russell
Darren Aronofsky
James Cameron
Alexander Payne
Ang Lee
Wes Anderson
Pedro Almodovar
Clint Eastwood
Steven Spielberg
Quentin Tarantino
Martin Scorsese
David Fincher
Joel and Ethan Coen
Paul Thomas Anderson
Woody Allen
Ben Affleck
Christopher Nolan
David O. Russell
Darren Aronofsky
James Cameron
Alexander Payne
Ang Lee
Wes Anderson
Pedro Almodovar
Clint Eastwood
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It was a great homage to Italian Neo-realism and while obviously that is not going to be as much fun for audiences as an homage to chop-socky, I enjoyed it.
It is just another ambitious genre mashing film akin to New York, New York. It is a film that combines immensely varied cinematic elements to produce something that while flawed, is wholly unique.
Neither film is a masterpiece, but they both have fallen victim, bot critically and commercially, to simply not meeting preconceived genre expectations of critics and audiences.
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It's not even that. I never have expectations of Lee. The guy varies himself all the time. It just didn't rock.
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I don't agree with that. It didn't meet the expectations of being a good movie, unique is one thing but that doesn't give you an automatic pass.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however, and I know Leonard Maltin liked it because his ad on Comcast on Demand always pimps it out.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however, and I know Leonard Maltin liked it because his ad on Comcast on Demand always pimps it out.
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I don't agree with that. It didn't meet the expectations of being a good movie, unique is one thing but that doesn't give you an automatic pass.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however, and I know Leonard Maltin liked it because his ad on Comcast on Demand always pimps it out.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however, and I know Leonard Maltin liked it because his ad on Comcast on Demand always pimps it out.
Yes, the film is long and contains some drastic tonal shifts and diversions, but it is clearly a personal film with a message (as do most of Lee's films) and I appreciate that in a film, clearly moreso than others. If I'm going to enjoy a flawed film, it's going to be one like this or New York, New York.
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An "homage to chop-socky," on the other hand, as engineered by Tarantino, serves up exactly the kinds of thrills we got from the originals. I've seen a million kung fu, samurai, ninja and Yakuza movies and yet I loved KILL BILL VOL. 1 every bit as much. Somehow I don't see that happening with an homage to Italian neo-realism or, for that matter, an homage to film noir, to name another cinematic movement that doesn't really translate well outside of its original setting. "Chop-socky," however, can be adequately recreated year after year in as many different countries as dare to try it.
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What purpose would an homage to Italian Neo-realism serve? If that's your thing, then just re-watch Italian Neo-realist classics, esp. if they already have a WWII theme, like PAISAN and OPEN CITY. (Come to think of it, I'd sooner see PAISAN again than have to sit through MIRACLE OF ST. ANNA.)
An "homage to chop-socky," on the other hand, as engineered by Tarantino, serves up exactly the kinds of thrills we got from the originals. I've seen a million kung fu, samurai, ninja and Yakuza movies and yet I loved KILL BILL VOL. 1 every bit as much. Somehow I don't see that happening with an homage to Italian neo-realism or, for that matter, an homage to film noir, to name another cinematic movement that doesn't really translate well outside of its original setting. "Chop-socky," however, can be adequately recreated year after year in as many different countries as dare to try it.
An "homage to chop-socky," on the other hand, as engineered by Tarantino, serves up exactly the kinds of thrills we got from the originals. I've seen a million kung fu, samurai, ninja and Yakuza movies and yet I loved KILL BILL VOL. 1 every bit as much. Somehow I don't see that happening with an homage to Italian neo-realism or, for that matter, an homage to film noir, to name another cinematic movement that doesn't really translate well outside of its original setting. "Chop-socky," however, can be adequately recreated year after year in as many different countries as dare to try it.
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What purpose would an homage to Italian Neo-realism serve? If that's your thing, then just re-watch Italian Neo-realist classics, esp. if they already have a WWII theme, like PAISAN and OPEN CITY. (Come to think of it, I'd sooner see PAISAN again than have to sit through MIRACLE OF ST. ANNA.)
An "homage to chop-socky," on the other hand, as engineered by Tarantino, serves up exactly the kinds of thrills we got from the originals. I've seen a million kung fu, samurai, ninja and Yakuza movies and yet I loved KILL BILL VOL. 1 every bit as much. Somehow I don't see that happening with an homage to Italian neo-realism or, for that matter, an homage to film noir, to name another cinematic movement that doesn't really translate well outside of its original setting. "Chop-socky," however, can be adequately recreated year after year in as many different countries as dare to try it.
An "homage to chop-socky," on the other hand, as engineered by Tarantino, serves up exactly the kinds of thrills we got from the originals. I've seen a million kung fu, samurai, ninja and Yakuza movies and yet I loved KILL BILL VOL. 1 every bit as much. Somehow I don't see that happening with an homage to Italian neo-realism or, for that matter, an homage to film noir, to name another cinematic movement that doesn't really translate well outside of its original setting. "Chop-socky," however, can be adequately recreated year after year in as many different countries as dare to try it.
And really? Homage to film noir doesn't work? There is an entire subgenre of just that called neo-noir (The Matrix, Blade Runner, Brick, Memento, etc). Neo-noir is just homage to film noir.
The point of homage is not to replace the thing being paid homage to. In may ways, it is a tip of the cap to a predecessor due to the great influence it bears on your film, career, whatever.
Miracle at St. Anna was a film that was a film that was trying to replicate older war movies to make its point by making such a film about black soldiers. Lee choosing to pay tribute to one of the rare war films to feature an African American soldier in a leading role, Paisan, was wholly appropriate for the film he was setting out to make.
I just think Tarantino's form of homage has warped your view of what homage actually is.
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Batman Returns is an awesome homage to German Expressionism. Seriously.
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^It is...and I prefer the Burton Batman films to Nolan's in part because of artistic flourishes like that.
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At least directors like Stephen Daldry and Tom Hooper aren't on that list. I like some of their movies quite a bit but I say it's more to the acting and writing than the directing. Their movies are basically big budget TV films. I don't feel they bring much in terms of directorial flourish.
Someone like Joe Wright on the other hand knows his way around a camera and what to do with it.
Ben Affleck? Really? One great movie gets you on the list?
Someone like Joe Wright on the other hand knows his way around a camera and what to do with it.
Ben Affleck? Really? One great movie gets you on the list?
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