Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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you've got to keep in mind that people ARE creatures of habit.
Look, young Luke craved excitement and adventure off of the dusty planet that he grew up on. Then he got that excitement, in spades. Now, as an older guy, he wants something mundane and familiar so he gravitates back to his home world. I don't see why people have such an issue with that.
but I am telling you, he's living out at old Ben's place, off the grid, and will have to begrudgingly come out of retirement to help fight a new threat.
Look, young Luke craved excitement and adventure off of the dusty planet that he grew up on. Then he got that excitement, in spades. Now, as an older guy, he wants something mundane and familiar so he gravitates back to his home world. I don't see why people have such an issue with that.
but I am telling you, he's living out at old Ben's place, off the grid, and will have to begrudgingly come out of retirement to help fight a new threat.
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The movie could go in any direction, but I'm hoping they don't turn Luke into another desert-dwelling hermit. I'm betting some other circumstances lead the new crew to Tatooine. Luke having the desire to return to a planet he clearly disliked and desperately tried to get away from (let alone hanging up his lightsaber and retiring there) just doesn't feel like the right choice to me. Not to mention it's where his surrogate parents were brutally murdered.
I'm curious to see how much screen time Hamill will have in this movie. All the official casting announcements list him last out of the big three. The trades claimed Abrams/Kasdan bulked up the roles of the original trio, but I wonder if they are still saving Luke for the end of the film as was previously rumored.
I'm curious to see how much screen time Hamill will have in this movie. All the official casting announcements list him last out of the big three. The trades claimed Abrams/Kasdan bulked up the roles of the original trio, but I wonder if they are still saving Luke for the end of the film as was previously rumored.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
This is going to be my last look at spoiler photos:
http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-w...on-set-photos/
http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-w...on-set-photos/
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Same here. With all the leaks the last few days, the script is bound to hit the net soon. I'm staying out of this thread.
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It's way too speculative at this point to make any judgments about the film based on the notion that there are possibly some scenes on Tatooine. Frankly, it would be ridiculous if the new episodes didn't at least reference key locations from the OT in some form, so I'm not worried.
I also am really liking the visual elements I'm seeing in the photos. It seems much more in keeping with the look and feel of the OT than with the absurd over-used CGI of the prequels.
I also am really liking the visual elements I'm seeing in the photos. It seems much more in keeping with the look and feel of the OT than with the absurd over-used CGI of the prequels.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
The movie could go in any direction, but I'm hoping they don't turn Luke into another desert-dwelling hermit. I'm betting some other circumstances lead the new crew to Tatooine. Luke having the desire to return to a planet he clearly disliked and desperately tried to get away from (let alone hanging up his lightsaber and retiring there) just doesn't feel like the right choice to me. Not to mention it's where his surrogate parents were brutally murdered.
If he really wanted to hide, it makes more sense to me that he would go to Dagobah since it seems much more isolated than Tatooine.
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It's way too speculative at this point to make any judgments about the film based on the notion that there are possibly some scenes on Tatooine. Frankly, it would be ridiculous if the new episodes didn't at least reference key locations from the OT in some form, so I'm not worried.
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The more I see these pics, the more convinced I am that they are out to marginalize the prequels and their look. If they do release the OOT, I could even see the SE's being left to wither as well.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
I wanted them to go in a new direction entirely. The OT is great and we'll always have it, but Star Wars is a huge world that's rich with opportunity. Science Fiction is a great genre for creativity, I would have loved to see a new story with new locations and new characters. Instead it looks like the franchise is destined to live in the past, because people seem to want to watch the same thing over and over again. I mean really, a Boba Fett movie? And frankly, after six movies I'm sick of the Skywalkers.
The spin-offs can handle other stories and characters, but the "Episodes" should definitely remain the Skywalker story.
It's not like these spin-offs are going to be few in number. Disney will probably make them until the end of time (or at least probably for the rest of our lifetimes).
I mean look at the MCU for example. Disney has been pumping out two MCU movies per year lately. We've had nine MCU movies since 2008 with the tenth coming in this August, and they have said they plan to continue with it until at least 2026. Star Wars is going to be the same.
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The "Episodes" have always been the story of the Skywalkers. The PT was Anakin. The OT was Luke. The ST should be Luke's or Leia's kids. That's the way it should be.
The spin-offs can handle other stories and characters, but the "Episodes" should definitely remain the Skywalker story.
The spin-offs can handle other stories and characters, but the "Episodes" should definitely remain the Skywalker story.
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Some pics of the construction of the Falcon and other ships here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=101189
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Says who? George Lucas? He sold off the rights, and after suffering through the prequels, I don't care about his vision anymore. Disney could have gone in any direction they wanted to. They chose this direction, not because the integrity of the story demanded it, but because they thought they'd make more money by including the original cast, and they're probably right.
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I love that Tatooine is this central location in the saga for three reasons:
1. I like that this outer rim nothing-of-a-planet appears to be the nexus of the universe. It reminds me of how the early Harry Potter films seem to revolve around everything happening in the girls' lavatory. Tatooine is just one of those places that collects a wide variety of energies all trying to hide away but get sucked right into it all.
2. And of course, perhaps that energy we call The Force is involved in this somehow. If the Force can be so strong in that cave on Degobah (and I recall there was speculation that's what helped Yoda hide there) is it possible it's the same with Tatooine and that's why Ben and now Luke could hide there? It strikes me that maybe the Force, like greatness, etc. appears in the places people least expect it.
3. Finally, in a film series where the characters could literally fly anywhere in the galaxy, where the heroes are on the run hiding on Yavin then Hoth then simply as a fleet, in a galaxy where whole planets get taken over or blown up, Tatooine is home. Tatooine is the closest semblance to "home" we get in any of these movies and I think that counts for something.
1. I like that this outer rim nothing-of-a-planet appears to be the nexus of the universe. It reminds me of how the early Harry Potter films seem to revolve around everything happening in the girls' lavatory. Tatooine is just one of those places that collects a wide variety of energies all trying to hide away but get sucked right into it all.
2. And of course, perhaps that energy we call The Force is involved in this somehow. If the Force can be so strong in that cave on Degobah (and I recall there was speculation that's what helped Yoda hide there) is it possible it's the same with Tatooine and that's why Ben and now Luke could hide there? It strikes me that maybe the Force, like greatness, etc. appears in the places people least expect it.
3. Finally, in a film series where the characters could literally fly anywhere in the galaxy, where the heroes are on the run hiding on Yavin then Hoth then simply as a fleet, in a galaxy where whole planets get taken over or blown up, Tatooine is home. Tatooine is the closest semblance to "home" we get in any of these movies and I think that counts for something.
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Ugh. No. This series takes place in an entire galaxy and they've returned to this one (boring) planet in six out of seven movies. It is the embodiment of the small-universe problem Star Wars has. It also invalidates what made the place relevant to Luke's character in IV. It was a backwater, "flyover" planet. The whole point was our main character wanted to get away from there, because the galaxy had greater adventures to offer. But whatever; the Star Wars galaxy and it's planets are just as nuanced as levels out of a Super Mario Bros. game.
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Yeah, Luke's totally hiding on Tatooine.
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Also, the movies still made a metric shit ton of cash, so it's hardly broken from a commercial prospective either.
Ugh. No. This series takes place in an entire galaxy and they've returned to this one (boring) planet in six out of seven movies. It is the embodiment of the small-universe problem Star Wars has. It also invalidates what made the place relevant to Luke's character in IV. It was a backwater, "flyover" planet. The whole point was our main character wanted to get away from there, because the galaxy had greater adventures to offer. But whatever; the Star Wars galaxy and it's planets are just as nuanced as levels out of a Super Mario Bros. game.
No, if he wants to hide it'd make sense for him to settle on a planet he has no previous connection with. Returning to Tatooine would be like if Obi Wan decided to hide Anakin's son by sticking him with Anakin's only living relatives without even bothering to change the kid's last ... name.
Yeah, Luke's totally hiding on Tatooine.
Yeah, Luke's totally hiding on Tatooine.
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Tatooine was the safest place to hide Luke because Anakin hated sand.
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please tell me Abrams isn't done with Star Trek movies. I freaking loved them and want more.
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No, if he wants to hide it'd make sense for him to settle on a planet he has no previous connection with. Returning to Tatooine would be like if Obi Wan decided to hide Anakin's son by sticking him with Anakin's only living relatives without even bothering to change the kid's last ... name.
Yeah, Luke's totally hiding on Tatooine.
Yeah, Luke's totally hiding on Tatooine.
The Superman Returns analogy is a good one. Hopefully they don't fall into that trap.
Also, Anakin thought Padme died before she gave birth. As far as he knows, he has no children. So why would he go looking for them if he doesn't even know they exist. As far as the citizens know, Anakin is dead. They don't know Vader is Anakin, so nobody is going to run off and tell Vader that there is a Skywalker kid on Tatooine.