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Yeah. I'll watch pretty much whatever genre too. Except Queer Cinema... Hand in hand with Christian cinema. That's mostly cuz from what i've seen they lack creative storytelling and have poor filmmaking skills. All about the message and theme but no talent. I'd say I hate those.
Otherwise... I'll watch whatever if sounds or looks interesting. For everything that gets my interest... I just hope it's a good movie.
Otherwise... I'll watch whatever if sounds or looks interesting. For everything that gets my interest... I just hope it's a good movie.
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Glad we have a director now that so we can move forward, it's a shame it didn't work out with Wright, hope the first trailer is great.
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The new director doesn't have a great filmography. Yes Man is about his best film he's done. I guess though quite a few of the Marvel films haven't been done by big name directors.
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- You're absolutely wrong. I don't care if it's your opinion, you're wrong. Bring It On is awesome and Down with Love is completely underrated. If anything, The Break-Up and Yes Man are his two weaker films.
- Captain America: The Winter Soldier was rock solid and it was brought to us by the directing team that gave us You, Me, and Dupree.
So without further ado:
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Bring It On is fine for what it is I guess. Same with Yes Man, I've never seen Down With Love I guess. I'm sure he'll be a decent choice that Marvel will be able to mold him to give them what they want.
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The Russo Bros. are the reason I can give the guy the benefit of the doubt, honestly. CA: TWS is one of the best movies of the year and given their filmography you wouldn't expect that.
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So let me get this straight. Marvel doesn't like Wright's script, so they have it "punched up" or rewritten by a couple of their in house guys. It turns out horrible and Wright refuses to use it, so he quits/is fired.
Finally, Marvel gets their 5th or 6th choice to direct it, and ask McKay to rewrite the script that Wright already said was horrible and wouldn't use.
Is that about right? Wow. Sure seems like it would have been easier to just compromise with Wright in the first place, unless he just wouldn't budge on how he wanted to do the movie.
I'm also still puzzled why, after 8 years of developing what was obviously a passion project for Wright, Marvel suddenly decided, weeks before shooting should have started, that they just couldn't go through with what he wanted to do. It seems like the only reason there is even going to be an Ant-Man movie was due to Wright's pushing for it.
Considering the amount of drama and the short time frame to get this done, assuming Marvel doesn't wise up and delay the release, it's hard to believe this will be anything but a train wreck.
Finally, Marvel gets their 5th or 6th choice to direct it, and ask McKay to rewrite the script that Wright already said was horrible and wouldn't use.
Is that about right? Wow. Sure seems like it would have been easier to just compromise with Wright in the first place, unless he just wouldn't budge on how he wanted to do the movie.
I'm also still puzzled why, after 8 years of developing what was obviously a passion project for Wright, Marvel suddenly decided, weeks before shooting should have started, that they just couldn't go through with what he wanted to do. It seems like the only reason there is even going to be an Ant-Man movie was due to Wright's pushing for it.
Considering the amount of drama and the short time frame to get this done, assuming Marvel doesn't wise up and delay the release, it's hard to believe this will be anything but a train wreck.
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Train wreck status confirmed.
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So let me get this straight. Marvel doesn't like Wright's script, so they have it "punched up" or rewritten by a couple of their in house guys. It turns out horrible and Wright refuses to use it, so he quits/is fired.
Finally, Marvel gets their 5th or 6th choice to direct it, and ask McKay to rewrite the script that Wright already said was horrible and wouldn't use.
Is that about right? Wow. Sure seems like it would have been easier to just compromise with Wright in the first place, unless he just wouldn't budge on how he wanted to do the movie.
I'm also still puzzled why, after 8 years of developing what was obviously a passion project for Wright, Marvel suddenly decided, weeks before shooting should have started, that they just couldn't go through with what he wanted to do. It seems like the only reason there is even going to be an Ant-Man movie was due to Wright's pushing for it.
Considering the amount of drama and the short time frame to get this done, assuming Marvel doesn't wise up and delay the release, it's hard to believe this will be anything but a train wreck.
Finally, Marvel gets their 5th or 6th choice to direct it, and ask McKay to rewrite the script that Wright already said was horrible and wouldn't use.
Is that about right? Wow. Sure seems like it would have been easier to just compromise with Wright in the first place, unless he just wouldn't budge on how he wanted to do the movie.
I'm also still puzzled why, after 8 years of developing what was obviously a passion project for Wright, Marvel suddenly decided, weeks before shooting should have started, that they just couldn't go through with what he wanted to do. It seems like the only reason there is even going to be an Ant-Man movie was due to Wright's pushing for it.
Considering the amount of drama and the short time frame to get this done, assuming Marvel doesn't wise up and delay the release, it's hard to believe this will be anything but a train wreck.
I raised the question before, but I'm curious if Marvel would ever push a stand alone movie that is removed from the rest of the MCU; if Wright's version of Ant-Man was headed that route, I can see why the move was made in the best interest of both parties, like Gunn's statement.
That said, I think Marvel would be smart enough that if the movie isn't shaping up properly that they would delay it. Their brand means a lot, and a misstep with any of the lesser characters would be tough for them for their plans.
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Pretty much all of this, Marvel knows to not release anything that will completely trash their MCU.
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Everybody's gotta fuck up eventually.
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I raised the question before, but I'm curious if Marvel would ever push a stand alone movie that is removed from the rest of the MCU; if Wright's version of Ant-Man was headed that route, I can see why the move was made in the best interest of both parties, like Gunn's statement.
But yeah, I bet most of the reason Wright left was because he wouldn't budge on making Ant-Man an MCU movie. If he's really been working on it for 8 years, that would mean he started in 2006, before the first Iron Man movie and before the MCU started.
Marvel already had their fuck up. It was called the 1990s. They fucked up so bad they almost went bankrupt. Not that they couldn't fuck up again, but they're a much better company now than they were two decades ago.
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Hmm, I'm not well versed on the history of comics, but I was talking about their movie-verse. Running a movie studio is different than making comics. There is a lot more money and risk involved in making movies. Movie wise, it seems like everything they've done has been successful. Constant success can create a false sense of security and lead an artist to believe they can do no wrong. Could Marvel be flying too close to the sun?
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Marvel Studios and Marvel Comics are two different things. The studio hasn't "fucked up" YET. Let us not confuse them.
As said though, everyone fucks up at some point. This could be it. Or maybe it won't be. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. This has literally become my most interested Marvel film cuz of all the shit happening.
As said though, everyone fucks up at some point. This could be it. Or maybe it won't be. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. This has literally become my most interested Marvel film cuz of all the shit happening.
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Hmm, I'm not well versed on the history of comics, but I was talking about their movie-verse. Running a movie studio is different than making comics. There is a lot more money and risk involved in making movies. Movie wise, it seems like everything they've done has been successful. Constant success can create a false sense of security and lead an artist to believe they can do no wrong. Could Marvel be flying too close to the sun?
I'm not saying Marvel could never fail again, but I think they have learned their lesson about being too big headed.
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Marvel had that false sense of security in the early 90s. The late 80s/early 90s was the peak of the comic industry. Comics were million sellers back then. One comic in particular (X-Men volume 2 #1) sold eight million copies. Marvel thought they could do no wrong, and then a few years later they had the floor swept out from under them. They crashed, and they crashed hard. The industry even to this day has never fully recovered. The top selling comics today barely sell 100,000 copies.
chances are a director you really like isn't going to cross over to a genre that you hate, since you would have never paid attention to him otherwise.
These days it's mostly one trick ponies. Artists should stretch outside of their comfort zones if for no other reason than the exposure to more influences will inform and broaden their sensibilities when they return to their particular areas of interest.
But I wouldn't be surprised if more directors wanted to play around in different genres but aren't allowed the opportunity. Everything these days needs to be a brand- including artists. The money men don't want the audiences to get confused- got to keep the brand pure and focused.
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I would say that the Golden Age was the peak of the comics industry. Many titles were routinely selling 1 million+ copies- and unlike the 80's/90's they were honest sales. People bought them and read them. The reason the industry imploded in the 90's was because most of those million sellers were bought for speculation- they were immediately bagged, boarded and warehoused in long boxes...where they sit to this day, their polybag virginity intact.
Will the industry ever sell millions again? I doubt it for several reasons. Comics today are expensive as hell. $4 for one single issue is not mainstream friendly at all. We also have many more entertainment options today than ever before with video games, computers, smartphones, etc that all compete for our entertainment money and time. I think the late 90s crash has pretty much flatlined the comics industry. The future for superheroes is in the movies and TV, not on the printed comic page. The fact that millions and millions of people will watch an Avengers movie or Nolan's Batman but refuse to buy a comic book featuring the same characters says it all. Nothing lasts forever, and I believe my generation (30+ year old people reading comics) will be the last generation of comic readers. Go into any comic shop and 90% of the people there are over 30 years old. It's very rare to see kids reading comics anymore.
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Again. The comics and the movie industry are different beasts though like all businesses they share the same as well. I think a failure for the studio would be a bigger deal in impacting its structure than say the comics side failing. The ability to fail or succeed is wildly stressed for something like Marvel Studios than the comic counterpart.
Granted. They're backed by Disney but... You never know.
Granted. They're backed by Disney but... You never know.
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I know comics and movies are different. I never said otherwise. I only ever said that Marvel's failure in the 90s taught them not to get too big-headed and think nothing can stop them. They're plenty aware that Ant-Man and GOTG are big risks and not guaranteed successes. I don't think all the script rewriting/director fiasco necessarily means Marvel doesn't know what they are doing. We don't know what Wright's script was. It could have been complete trash for all we know and Marvel has improved it. We just don't know.