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05-05-12, 09:36 PM
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05-05-12, 09:38 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Joss is the man. At first, the movie felt a little too busy, and the villain plot wasn't the greatest. But, I loved how every main character got a lot of screentime, and the characterization & character interactions were fantastic. I enjoyed Chris Evans as Cap way, way more here than in his own movie: he had more of that "commanding leader" presence which I felt didn't come through in Captain America, and his action scenes were way better. I agree with a previous poster that ScarJo seemed a little out of her depth, even though Joss gave her a lot to work with. I enjoyed the Widow fight scenes a lot, too.
My one fanboy nitpick: we didn't get the Bill Bixby green eyes when Hulk transformed. Also, what exactly did you guys like so much about Ruffalo's Banner? Everyone I spoke to loved him, and I've been reading lots of rave reviews about his performance, but to me, Ed Norton is still the definitive Banner (though I was rooting for Ruffalo when he got cast). Hulk himself stole the show and got the biggest reaction from my audience. I hope there's still hope for the Hulk franchise to return.
As for which Whedon show to check out, I will always swear by Buffy and Angel. Yeah, S1 is cheesy (especially by today's standards), but I still enjoy it, and if you stick with it, S2 is where the show's brilliance begins. Still never got around to watching all of Firefly, even though I bought those DVDs the day they came out.
My one fanboy nitpick: we didn't get the Bill Bixby green eyes when Hulk transformed. Also, what exactly did you guys like so much about Ruffalo's Banner? Everyone I spoke to loved him, and I've been reading lots of rave reviews about his performance, but to me, Ed Norton is still the definitive Banner (though I was rooting for Ruffalo when he got cast). Hulk himself stole the show and got the biggest reaction from my audience. I hope there's still hope for the Hulk franchise to return.
As for which Whedon show to check out, I will always swear by Buffy and Angel. Yeah, S1 is cheesy (especially by today's standards), but I still enjoy it, and if you stick with it, S2 is where the show's brilliance begins. Still never got around to watching all of Firefly, even though I bought those DVDs the day they came out.
05-05-12, 09:40 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Angel is interesting to me because it was the least fully formed of Whedon's shows when it hit the air. They basically had to retool the show nearly from scratch for the second season. IMO, the 3rd through 5th seasons are *extremely* strong. If you like Buffy you'll certainly like Angel.
05-05-12, 09:53 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
My one fanboy nitpick: we didn't get the Bill Bixby green eyes when Hulk transformed. Also, what exactly did you guys like so much about Ruffalo's Banner? Everyone I spoke to loved him, and I've been reading lots of rave reviews about his performance, but to me, Ed Norton is still the definitive Banner (though I was rooting for Ruffalo when he got cast). Hulk himself stole the show and got the biggest reaction from my audience. I hope there's still hope for the Hulk franchise to return.
And honestly...if we got the Hulking out eyes again it'd turn into too much of a cliche. We saw it once (in continuity that is).
05-05-12, 09:54 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
You may get your wish. But it'll be 2015 at the soonest.
As a comic book character, The Hulk is a pretty interesting creation. Most Marvel heroes have a well-established place in the company’s overarching storyline; despite deviations and alterations here and there, the general persona of guys like Captain America and Spider-Man are well-defined. The Hulk is one who has been mutated (pun intended) many times over the years to be hero, villain, anti-hero, unwitting antagonist, and more.
Even on screen the Hulk has been relatively fluid, if not quite as all over the place as his comic appearances, with three major incarnations over the past decade, played by Eric Bana, Edward Norton, and Mark Ruffalo. Prior to Ruffalo’s appearance in The Avengers, the big-screen Hulks have been marginally successful, with varying degrees of fan appreciation.
The Avengers is doing so well, however, that the Hulk may have another shot at the big screen.
Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige said just a couple weeks ago that the character probably wasn’t going to get another film of his own. The Huffington Post asked him about giving the Hulk “another shot,” to which Feige replied,
But today there is a piece in Forbes in which Marvel’s Paul Gitter, aka the company’s President of Consumer Products, suggests otherwise. Gitter says Marvel is “pleasantly surprised by the phenomenal response” to the current incarnation of the Hulk.
Gitter wants to sell Hulk as a new corporate icon, and says that if the trend of popularity for the character continues, Marvel will take advantage of it, “[spinning] him off to a stand-alone program next year,” with a new movie in 2015.
What a difference two weeks and a weekend of successful international box office can bring. And while Kevin Feige, as president of Marvel Studios, may seem like he has the last word on whether or not a movie gets made, you can bet that if Marvel sees a big opportunity to sell a character like the Hulk, they’re going to seize it. (Gitter calls franchise moves “big commercials in the sky,” which should make the whole process pretty clear.)
As a comic book character, The Hulk is a pretty interesting creation. Most Marvel heroes have a well-established place in the company’s overarching storyline; despite deviations and alterations here and there, the general persona of guys like Captain America and Spider-Man are well-defined. The Hulk is one who has been mutated (pun intended) many times over the years to be hero, villain, anti-hero, unwitting antagonist, and more.
Even on screen the Hulk has been relatively fluid, if not quite as all over the place as his comic appearances, with three major incarnations over the past decade, played by Eric Bana, Edward Norton, and Mark Ruffalo. Prior to Ruffalo’s appearance in The Avengers, the big-screen Hulks have been marginally successful, with varying degrees of fan appreciation.
The Avengers is doing so well, however, that the Hulk may have another shot at the big screen.
Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige said just a couple weeks ago that the character probably wasn’t going to get another film of his own. The Huffington Post asked him about giving the Hulk “another shot,” to which Feige replied,
Well, no. This was the other shot. Right? I mean, this was the third appearance of Hulk and everything that we had and were going for, we put in to Hulk’s appearance in “Avengers.” So, I love that people are saying that and are feeling that way about Hulk, but mission accomplished at this point. And the way we go forward, we’ll see. But it was a long road to get to this point. … But we’ll be very careful about it and deliberate — as we were in how we wanted to bring him back in “Avengers.”
His sales are up in a major way. We repositioned him from where he was always misunderstood to now depicting him in a more heroic and aspirational manner.
What a difference two weeks and a weekend of successful international box office can bring. And while Kevin Feige, as president of Marvel Studios, may seem like he has the last word on whether or not a movie gets made, you can bet that if Marvel sees a big opportunity to sell a character like the Hulk, they’re going to seize it. (Gitter calls franchise moves “big commercials in the sky,” which should make the whole process pretty clear.)
05-05-12, 09:56 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
So long as they kept Ruffalo and didn't get another fucking actor to play the role, I'd be totally fine with it. I love Hulk and loved what Ruffalo did with him in Avengers, so another film is welcome.
After Iron Man 3, does Marvel have any other movies on the slate? I remember when Iron Man came out Marvel listed the release date for all of their movies that were to culminate eventually to The Avengers.
After Iron Man 3, does Marvel have any other movies on the slate? I remember when Iron Man came out Marvel listed the release date for all of their movies that were to culminate eventually to The Avengers.
05-05-12, 10:01 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah, that's Damage Control's job.
Ant-Man via Edgar Wright at some point. Officially they've submitted a 3rd draft, they being Wright and Joe Cornish.
Any details on the plot was last mentioned in 2006:
The script has been written by Wright and Joe Cornish, who plan to include Henry Pym and Scott Lang as major characters, with Pym as Ant-Man in the 1960s in Tales to Astonish style, and a flashforward to Lang as Ant-Man's successor in modern day
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05-05-12, 10:02 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Maybe they'll appear in a Marvel One Shot for the BD release. 
05-05-12, 10:20 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
That'd be cool too.
on the little side note of things said...loved the LMD quip from Stark. That got a smile out of me.
on the little side note of things said...loved the LMD quip from Stark. That got a smile out of me.
05-05-12, 10:21 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
So long as they kept Ruffalo and didn't get another fucking actor to play the role, I'd be totally fine with it. I love Hulk and loved what Ruffalo did with him in Avengers, so another film is welcome.
After Iron Man 3, does Marvel have any other movies on the slate? I remember when Iron Man came out Marvel listed the release date for all of their movies that were to culminate eventually to The Avengers.
After Iron Man 3, does Marvel have any other movies on the slate? I remember when Iron Man came out Marvel listed the release date for all of their movies that were to culminate eventually to The Avengers.
05-05-12, 10:32 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I tried watching Buffy S1 a couple times and could never get past the first episode or two; didn't even bother with Angel.
I saw some of Firefly at a friend's house, but I honestly thought it looked kinda lame. I do like his writing style, however, but I guess I'll just have to wait for Avengers 2 or something.
I saw some of Firefly at a friend's house, but I honestly thought it looked kinda lame. I do like his writing style, however, but I guess I'll just have to wait for Avengers 2 or something.
S3 -> S2 -> S5 -> S6-> S4 -> S1 -> S7
My wife hates Buffy, but enjoyed Angel. The first season has a better track record than Buffy and the show has greater consistency. However, like Buffy, has a terrible fourth season. Again, ranking time:
S3 -> S2 -> S5 -> S1 -> S4
Firefly/Serenity might be the man's greatest work. Dr. Horrible rocks. And Dollhouse, well, at least the rest of his work is fucking awesome.
05-05-12, 10:34 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
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the only gripe I had (mentioned earlier in this thread) is that the framing was way off ... tops of the image were cut off and the subtitles below were not visible .... I am going back later this week to get passes/compensation as promised by the manager of the theater
the only gripe I had (mentioned earlier in this thread) is that the framing was way off ... tops of the image were cut off and the subtitles below were not visible .... I am going back later this week to get passes/compensation as promised by the manager of the theater
05-05-12, 10:37 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
By the way, was anyone else hoping Thor would wear his helm when he was summoning the rest of his armour towards the end of the movie? If they're willing to have Loki appear in quite a few scenes with his heml on, I don't see why the same could not have been done for Thor.
05-05-12, 10:39 PM
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05-05-12, 10:42 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I think the Whedon hate is more because a lot of his fans think he's the greatest thing since fizzy water (especially on the internet), and it gets old.
I like the guy's work but a lot of it (Buffy, Angel) I could take or leave.
Advanced seating for easily sold-out movies seems like a no-brainer to me. At the theaters I went to in Hong Kong, they have an 80's tabletop arcade screen where you point to the seat you want. Easy system.
I am willing to bet theaters have gotten feedback from advertisers that they don't want people coming in 2 minutes before the movie starts so they miss all the terrible EPKs and ads.
In Australia, they just have those after the trailers start, which is dumb.
Saw it in IMAX 3D and liked it, but will see it in 2D if I see it again.
Chris Evans signed a six-picture deal (three Caps, three Avengers). Doesn't mean all of them are green lit, but I can see a string of these films going to at least 2020.
I like the guy's work but a lot of it (Buffy, Angel) I could take or leave.
One weird thing. The theater where I purchased my tickets in advance had theater seating!!!! When I bought the tickets I noticed seat numbers, but assumed they were there just to calculate the number to available seats for that show. When we got there, ushers actually escorted us to our seats! We were told that the first two weeks for a big event movie they do this and noticed several couples ended up rows apart. So strange!
I am willing to bet theaters have gotten feedback from advertisers that they don't want people coming in 2 minutes before the movie starts so they miss all the terrible EPKs and ads.
In Australia, they just have those after the trailers start, which is dumb.
Chris Evans signed a six-picture deal (three Caps, three Avengers). Doesn't mean all of them are green lit, but I can see a string of these films going to at least 2020.
05-05-12, 10:48 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Did any scenes in particular stick out to you? There was some flying shit here and there and things like lamp posts that stuck out but it really felt like the movie was 2D nearly the entire run time.
05-05-12, 10:53 PM
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05-05-12, 11:37 PM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I liked The Avengers, but I liked Iron Man and Thor way more. Their stories were more cohesive and interesting.
I experienced the same thing. But since I had purchased Seasons 1-3 on someone's recommendation, I made myself watch, and I got hooked during Season 2. Season 1 uses a monster-of-the-week formula, but later seasons have strong continuity from episode to episode.
My advice is to watch the following MUST-SEE episodes in Season 1 and then skip directly to Season 2: Welcome to the Hellmouth, The Harvest, Witch (Amy is a recurring character in later seasons), Angel, and Prophecy Girl.
My advice is to watch the following MUST-SEE episodes in Season 1 and then skip directly to Season 2: Welcome to the Hellmouth, The Harvest, Witch (Amy is a recurring character in later seasons), Angel, and Prophecy Girl.
05-06-12, 12:21 AM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Also, what exactly did you guys like so much about Ruffalo's Banner? Everyone I spoke to loved him, and I've been reading lots of rave reviews about his performance, but to me, Ed Norton is still the definitive Banner (though I was rooting for Ruffalo when he got cast).
05-06-12, 12:27 AM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
As for why Ruffalo was so good, it felt to me like he had so many layers. There's resignation to his condition (but not quite acceptance), anger, despair, but also something like a sense of humor and the realization that just because he CAN turn in to a green rage monster doesn't mean that he WILL turn into a green rage monster.
As Mondo said above, when he challenged Black Widow with the "Don't lie to me" bit and then pulled back with "That was rude, I'm sorry," he had me hooked and I forgot all about Norton and Bana.
05-06-12, 12:47 AM
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Re: The Avengers (Whedon, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Ruffalo is very much a more-is-less actor, as opposed to Bana who's a great character actor and Norton who is more often than not a self-obsessed grandstander.