01-11-19, 05:29 PM
MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
08-03-18, 01:56 PM
#2326
DVD Talk Hero
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by Inhumans99
At one point it was $40 a person, yes? To go from $40 to $10 was insane and I am confused as to why people thought that could last (I am not a Movie Pass subscriber), and the anger...folks were practically getting a free lunch when every one knows there is no such thing as a free lunch.
The only way for them to make money at $10 a subscriber would be if all subscribers said they are fine with Movie Pass selling their contact info to every single person who has a call list so you could field calls/emails from folks trying to sell you stuff day in and day out.
However, I remember folks got in a tizzy regarding a privacy setting when using the app., so yeah...this thing was basically Juicero 2.0. You either give up your privacy or expect this service to dry up and blow away in the wind.
Even AMC's $20 subscription is a financial disaster waiting to happen, and I would not be surprised if Movie Subscription services eventually go the way of the Dodo. Everyone forgets that Amazon only started making a profit when they branched out into selling cloud computing solutions (AWS) so unless AMC plans to branch out into offering cloud services (and competing with behemoths like Amazon and Microsoft) to theater goers I do not understand the economics of things like Movie Pass.
The ability to make some money off someone like myself who buys a ticket at regular full/matinee prices I get...but someone who watches $100 worth of film for $20 I do not get (and more people are like me in that they do not spend money at the concession stand/stations, 99.9% of the time I spend $0.00 on drinks/popcorn/hot dogs/pretzels/sweets/etc.).
When theaters not only claim they have to discontinue their subscription service but need to increase the price of a ticket a lot of folks are going to pitch a fit but will not look in the mirror and see that they are to blame for such a scenario taking place.
I highly doubt Avengers: Infinity Wars opening weekend gross would have suffered much if Movie Pass did not exist, and if Movie Pass has the metrics to prove me otherwise I will eat the chonies that I am wearing (fortunately, I know how to wipe, offering to eat my pair of socks that are on my feet would probably be harder for me to choke down...feet are nasty).
The only way for them to make money at $10 a subscriber would be if all subscribers said they are fine with Movie Pass selling their contact info to every single person who has a call list so you could field calls/emails from folks trying to sell you stuff day in and day out.
However, I remember folks got in a tizzy regarding a privacy setting when using the app., so yeah...this thing was basically Juicero 2.0. You either give up your privacy or expect this service to dry up and blow away in the wind.
Even AMC's $20 subscription is a financial disaster waiting to happen, and I would not be surprised if Movie Subscription services eventually go the way of the Dodo. Everyone forgets that Amazon only started making a profit when they branched out into selling cloud computing solutions (AWS) so unless AMC plans to branch out into offering cloud services (and competing with behemoths like Amazon and Microsoft) to theater goers I do not understand the economics of things like Movie Pass.
The ability to make some money off someone like myself who buys a ticket at regular full/matinee prices I get...but someone who watches $100 worth of film for $20 I do not get (and more people are like me in that they do not spend money at the concession stand/stations, 99.9% of the time I spend $0.00 on drinks/popcorn/hot dogs/pretzels/sweets/etc.).
When theaters not only claim they have to discontinue their subscription service but need to increase the price of a ticket a lot of folks are going to pitch a fit but will not look in the mirror and see that they are to blame for such a scenario taking place.
I highly doubt Avengers: Infinity Wars opening weekend gross would have suffered much if Movie Pass did not exist, and if Movie Pass has the metrics to prove me otherwise I will eat the chonies that I am wearing (fortunately, I know how to wipe, offering to eat my pair of socks that are on my feet would probably be harder for me to choke down...feet are nasty).
I don't really understand your AWS analogy or why AMC would need to compete in cloud technology to make their subscription model work. Are you referring to Amazon Prime or something? The benefit to AMC is clear: they make money off of concessions, and anecdotes aside people who go to movies will buy concessions. People who go to movies will go with their friends. They will be tied to AMC. They will have all the data they need to see exactly how much people with A-list spend on concessions and if it becomes a huge loss, they cut the program out. They are best suited to risk this because they have the data, they have the product and the inventory, and they can back out with at most a year's commitment to people.
I actually like Moviepass trying to get people to watch smaller movies, or at non normal times, because theaters seem super inefficient. There are huge crowds on weekends or when a big movie comes out, but they're like graveyards most of the day, with so many unsold seats. If you could incentivize people to come in during those times, or to see the non blockbuster movies, that could help theaters and the smaller movies. The blockbusters would do well anyway, but you can already see the kind of clout Disney has when blockbusters matter almost too much. But I think it's a little too late to pivot the service, even if they were making money.
08-03-18, 01:57 PM
#2327
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Djariya, I will have to hit up the link and good on AMC for doing their homework because $10 a month to see unlimited movies is to me the very definition of WTF Pricing, it just made no sense and helps create a ton of movie goers who now feel entitled to something for practically nothing in return, which is not how capitalism works.
08-03-18, 02:15 PM
#2328
DVD Talk Hero
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by DJariya
I mean shit, they closed at 10 cents today on Wall Street. They could feasibly sink to a nickel going into the weekend.
Market cap is 107.5K
Also this:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/st...son-2018-08-03
La Jolla-based Triton Funds LLC is preparing to approach shareholders of MoviePass parent Helios and Matheson in an attempt to assume control of the troubled company, according to the venture fund’s co-founders.
Triton is not a typical venture fund. It is run by University of California of San Diego finance students, with an advisory board that includes alumni and faculty. The $25-million fund has a distinct slogan: “millennial touch.”
08-03-18, 02:17 PM
#2329
DVD Talk Legend
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Shit; brb, getting an equity loan on my house so I can buy MoviePass.
08-03-18, 02:31 PM
#2330
DVD Talk Hero
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
This should TOTALLY be a way to sell unsold seats. I haven't been to a theater in YEARS that was sold out on opening weekend. Around here there are too many theaters with too many showings. Movie Pass should be cleaning up for these theaters during the weekdays. It has to be better to make some money than no money and theaters should have gotten onboard with offering MP people a discount on tickets so MP wasn't eating the difference. They could have capped the tickets too (only 50 MP seats per showing or something).
And MP should be at least $25 a month. $9.99 is Pets.com-level nonsense (what, you mean you can't ship a 40 pound bag of dogfood across the country that the buyer got for free with free shipping and make money?
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And MP should be at least $25 a month. $9.99 is Pets.com-level nonsense (what, you mean you can't ship a 40 pound bag of dogfood across the country that the buyer got for free with free shipping and make money?
)
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08-03-18, 03:11 PM
#2331
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Fujishig, for a non-subscriber I went a little nuts trying to make my point (perhaps bringing up AWS was not the best way to try and make my point). I guess I just question the whole necessity of a movie theater subscription service.
Theaters should not try to be like Netflix, pay us a fairly low monthly fee and indulge in all the content you desire, in trying to be Netflix I feel they are weakening what limited power they have over the consumer and strengthening Netflix's hand which is the last thing they should be doing.
On the other hand as Djariya has already pointed out to me European theaters have figured out a way to make this work so I shall stop stressing about this and just enjoy that it is Friday.
Theaters should not try to be like Netflix, pay us a fairly low monthly fee and indulge in all the content you desire, in trying to be Netflix I feel they are weakening what limited power they have over the consumer and strengthening Netflix's hand which is the last thing they should be doing.
On the other hand as Djariya has already pointed out to me European theaters have figured out a way to make this work so I shall stop stressing about this and just enjoy that it is Friday.
08-03-18, 03:28 PM
#2332
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
My wife is on the monthly plan, and is showing non-peak matinees at our local Regal, but nothing at night. I’m on the yearly plan and only see the night shows. MoviePass wants to break up my marriage.
08-03-18, 03:54 PM
#2333
DVD Talk Ruler
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by Trevor
My wife is on the monthly plan, and is showing non-peak matinees at our local Regal, but nothing at night. I’m on the yearly plan and only see the night shows. MoviePass wants to break up my marriage.
08-03-18, 04:01 PM
#2334
DVD Talk Hero
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by Trevor
My wife is on the monthly plan, and is showing non-peak matinees at our local Regal, but nothing at night. I’m on the yearly plan and only see the night shows. MoviePass wants to break up my marriage.
But this is the first time I've seen that someone said that monthly and yearly plans are showing different things. Man I wish I didn't cancel so i could check, because my wife is on the yearly plan as well.
Since yearly isn't subject to peak pricing, is this a way to get them to just watch matinees? But even then why not just let everyone watch matinees? Is it even legal to offer something different like this by plan type?
The other thing I wonder is if they're still alive when this 1000 theater thing goes into effect, how many people will just buy a ticket to the smaller movie and then skip to the bigger movie? Shoot, I wonder how many people did this for MI.
edited to add: oh crap, they "fixed" the geolocation stuff? So you can no longer check in away from the theater, you have to check Moviepass, drive down, and hope that they didn't remove the showing while you drove down.
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08-03-18, 04:01 PM
#2335
DVD Talk Legend
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by Trevor
My wife is on the monthly plan, and is showing non-peak matinees at our local Regal, but nothing at night. I’m on the yearly plan and only see the night shows. MoviePass wants to break up my marriage.
08-03-18, 09:42 PM
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Wife and I just purchased the Spy movie with no problem today. Happy to finally get it to work again.
08-03-18, 10:19 PM
#2337
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Only 6 days left in my Subscription.
Not sure how I'm supposed to go to all the Evening Screenings that the App shows in the Afternoon, when they disappear a few hours before each Screening.
Not sure how I'm supposed to go to all the Evening Screenings that the App shows in the Afternoon, when they disappear a few hours before each Screening.
08-03-18, 11:27 PM
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by asianxcore
Only 6 days left in my Subscription.
Not sure how I'm supposed to go to all the Evening Screenings that the App shows in the Afternoon, when they disappear a few hours before each Screening.
Not sure how I'm supposed to go to all the Evening Screenings that the App shows in the Afternoon, when they disappear a few hours before each Screening.
08-03-18, 11:30 PM
#2339
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Just checked the app about an hour ago. All evening shows were wiped out when they were there earlier today. I checked about 10 theatres and there were zero listings.
08-04-18, 01:38 AM
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I went to theater over an hour early to book the tickets. Lucky I did since MoviePass wiped everything out about 45 minutes before the movie started.
08-04-18, 02:27 AM
#2341
DVD Talk Legend
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Good to see it's not just some random occurrence.
I was hoping to see a few more films before my Subscriptions ends but at this rate, I don't think that'll be happening.
The App also did something a bit odd. When checking the App at 12:26AM, every theater in my area is showing a single Screening for all films, 6:00AM
I was hoping to see a few more films before my Subscriptions ends but at this rate, I don't think that'll be happening.
The App also did something a bit odd. When checking the App at 12:26AM, every theater in my area is showing a single Screening for all films, 6:00AM
08-04-18, 07:37 AM
#2342
DVD Talk Limited Edition
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I had decided not to cancel my sub because once school starts back, my treat to myself was using MP to go to Monday morning matinees while my kid is at school ( Mondays are off days from work for me). As long as they are there, I'll get use of it. If not, I'm out.
08-04-18, 10:22 AM
#2343
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
This is strange but every showing before 5:00 today for every theater in my area is missing unless it is a "premium screen not support" blackout. And those times are showing, but as I said, are blacked out.
So almost all the cheaper shows are missing for today. Christopher Robin is blacked out along with The Darkest Minds and MI:F.
What the fuck are they doing?
So almost all the cheaper shows are missing for today. Christopher Robin is blacked out along with The Darkest Minds and MI:F.
What the fuck are they doing?
08-04-18, 02:08 PM
#2345
DVD Talk God
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
No matinees showing up again.
The Darkest Minds in addition to Christopher Robin is also blacked out.
Peak pricing for the late afternoon/early evening shows of Mama Mia, Equalizer 2 and Teen Titans Go to the movies. The Spy who dumped Me actually has no peak pricing, but no matinees.
Guess they really do want to kill off weekend traffic to save money.
The Darkest Minds in addition to Christopher Robin is also blacked out.
Peak pricing for the late afternoon/early evening shows of Mama Mia, Equalizer 2 and Teen Titans Go to the movies. The Spy who dumped Me actually has no peak pricing, but no matinees.
Guess they really do want to kill off weekend traffic to save money.
08-04-18, 07:33 PM
#2347
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Traveling for work, my first issue with the app, ever. Getting this error for every theater: "There was a problem with your request. Please try again."
08-04-18, 08:04 PM
#2348
DVD Talk Ruler
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by story
Traveling for work, my first issue with the app, ever. Getting this error for every theater: "There was a problem with your request. Please try again."
08-04-18, 08:45 PM
#2349
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I thought that, too, but neither a strong hotel wifi or a strong 4G will give me anything. Loads movie trailers in the app, though, yay! Honestly, my first trouble with it, ever.
08-04-18, 09:09 PM
#2350
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Originally Posted by story
I thought that, too, but neither a strong hotel wifi or a strong 4G will give me anything. Loads movie trailers in the app, though, yay! Honestly, my first trouble with it, ever.
