MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
#1727
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
At this point, I’m happy having stayed out. There is too much baggage with the leadership of the companies — CEOs, Board of Directors, all of them. You would think at some point somebody would step in to course-correct the ship. I believe AMC’s launch and Alamo’s imminent product show there is some viability here. The $9.99 price point was a good tease, but it isn’t sustainable. Rather than bailing water out of the sinking ship and patching holes, MP & HMNY leadership is investing in a new motor and deck chairs.
Ousting the shysters running the show is what Wall Street is looking for.
A trail of lawsuits and a failed psychic hotline. Meet the Miami man running MoviePass
https://miamiherald.com/news/busines...213952134.html
Ousting the shysters running the show is what Wall Street is looking for.
A trail of lawsuits and a failed psychic hotline. Meet the Miami man running MoviePass
https://miamiherald.com/news/busines...213952134.html
Well, for someone that is "happy" they stayed out of it you sure seem happy to continue to bash the company at every turn.
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Are we really going to go back down this path again?
Reporting news now equals bashing. Got it.
Yes, I have been keeping up with the e-mails they send me in my in-box since I am a customer. I do check the stock price as I did seriously consider investing. I have been keeping up with reporting on the company because it does interest me within my realm of studies and life experiences.
I think there is a viable product here and I think the stock could be a steal IF the company was actually serious and had leadership that knew how to run a company in any direction other than into the ground. Unfortunately, all signs point to the people currently at the helm being incompetent at best and dishonest at worst.
So if that is bashing, yep, sure. Do I like to poke fun at them? Hell yes, I’m a sarcastic guy.
Reporting news now equals bashing. Got it.
Yes, I have been keeping up with the e-mails they send me in my in-box since I am a customer. I do check the stock price as I did seriously consider investing. I have been keeping up with reporting on the company because it does interest me within my realm of studies and life experiences.
I think there is a viable product here and I think the stock could be a steal IF the company was actually serious and had leadership that knew how to run a company in any direction other than into the ground. Unfortunately, all signs point to the people currently at the helm being incompetent at best and dishonest at worst.
So if that is bashing, yep, sure. Do I like to poke fun at them? Hell yes, I’m a sarcastic guy.
#1729
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
See, I couldn't even tell you were a customer. It looked like you were one of these guys screaming at them from the sidelines without knowing what they were talking about.
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
And by that, jj means “con man”. He believes I’m funneling all my MP tickets into an offshore account and paying for a vacation home in the Cayman Islands. Alas, it’s a poor plan as not all of us can afford to go on vacation.
Actually, I’m a subsidizer lately. In the last month I’ve only used my MP for one matinee. Been too busy to get to the theater. Last night we did go see Jurassic World, but we went to a 3D showing (thank you AMC A-List).
I would think anybody would be happy that they didn’t pour money in at $.50/share at this point. Although, anybody who got in at the $.19 low may be happy today:
Why Helios and Matheson Stock Popped 35% Today
https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2...-35-today.aspx
See, I’m not all doom and gloom.
Actually, I’m a subsidizer lately. In the last month I’ve only used my MP for one matinee. Been too busy to get to the theater. Last night we did go see Jurassic World, but we went to a 3D showing (thank you AMC A-List).
I would think anybody would be happy that they didn’t pour money in at $.50/share at this point. Although, anybody who got in at the $.19 low may be happy today:
Why Helios and Matheson Stock Popped 35% Today
https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2...-35-today.aspx
See, I’m not all doom and gloom.
Last edited by Abob Teff; 06-29-18 at 06:48 PM.
#1733
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
And by that, jj means “con man”. He believes I’m funneling all my MP tickets into an offshore account and paying for a vacation home in the Cayman Islands. Alas, it’s a poor plan as not all of us can afford to go on vacation.
Actually, I’m a subsidizer lately. In the last month I’ve only used my MP for one matinee. Been too busy to get to the theater. Last night we did go see Jurassic World, but we went to a 3D showing (thank you AMC A-List).
I would think anybody would be happy that they didn’t pour money in at $.50/share at this point. Although, anybody who got in at the $.19 low may be happy today:
Why Helios and Matheson Stock Popped 35% Today
https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2...-35-today.aspx
See, I’m not all doom and gloom.
Actually, I’m a subsidizer lately. In the last month I’ve only used my MP for one matinee. Been too busy to get to the theater. Last night we did go see Jurassic World, but we went to a 3D showing (thank you AMC A-List).
I would think anybody would be happy that they didn’t pour money in at $.50/share at this point. Although, anybody who got in at the $.19 low may be happy today:
Why Helios and Matheson Stock Popped 35% Today
https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2...-35-today.aspx
See, I’m not all doom and gloom.
#1735
DVD Talk Special Edition
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I just cancelled my $9.99 a month plan. I was a member back when it first came out for $20, canceled when increased to $30 and the 24 hour clock, rejoined at $9.99. I am switching to the AMC A list, I know its more, but the 2 theaters I go to are AMC (both within 5 miles of my house). Being able to see the same movie more than once and IMAX/3D made me do the switch. I don't see movie pass making it until the end of the year.
#1736
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I wish there was an AMC within 30 minutes of my house. I have Cinemark 10 minutes away and a couple Regals within 20 minutes. The AMC is clear across town. Maybe with AMC offering a decent plan, Cinemark will up the ante with a decent plan of their own. The current $8.99 for one movie kind of sucks.
#1737
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I just cancelled my $9.99 a month plan. I was a member back when it first came out for $20, canceled when increased to $30 and the 24 hour clock, rejoined at $9.99. I am switching to the AMC A list, I know its more, but the 2 theaters I go to are AMC (both within 5 miles of my house). Being able to see the same movie more than once and IMAX/3D made me do the switch. I don't see movie pass making it until the end of the year.
#1738
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Despite plenty of speculation to the contrary, MoviePass isn't going away anytime soon and, in fact, parent company Helios and Matheson Analytics filed on Monday to raise $1.2 billion to make sure the subscription service that famously sells 30 tickets for the price of one thrives for years to come.
The company filed a shelf registration that will offer institutional investors equity and debt, and Helios and Matheson CEO Ted Farnsworth tells The Hollywood Reporter that he'll likely access the $1.2 billion over the course of a year or two.
A portion of the windfall will be used to make acquisitions, and Farnsworth says he is in final negotiations on a few already, though he declines to name the companies he will purchase.
If Helios and Matheson is successful in gaining access to such a large sum of money when the company sports only a $69 million market capitalization on Wall Street, it will represent a huge vote of confidence for its MoviePass asset.
Farnsworth, in fact, has been down this road before, having raised $400 million last year, also several times what the company's market cap was at the time.
"They've been predicting our demise for eight months and we're still standing," says Farnsworth. "Now we'll have a big war chest behind us."
MoviePass says it may reverse-split its stock both in order to raise money more easily and to make sure its shares are not delisted from Nasdaq, given they trade at less than a buck apiece, which is under Nasdaq's listing threshold.
Farnsworth says MoviePass will have 5 million subscribers by year's end and will generate $600 million in annual revenue. Doubters say MoviePass is basically selling dollar bills for 50 cents apiece, though Farnsworth recalls that the same was once said of Amazon.com.
"I was at a conference with Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos in around 1999 when a headline referred to the company as 'Amazon.bomb.' Well, look who's laughing now," says Farnsworth.
MoviePass intends to make a profit by marketing films and other items, selling data and striking concession and ticketing relationships with theater chains that crave the traffic the service can generate — as it has been known to drive as much as 50 percent of the box office on certain titles, especially smaller ones where subscribers might otherwise balk at buying a full-price ticket.
MoviePass faces some new competition from AMC, as the nation's largest movie exhibitor launched its own service where subscribers get three movies tickets a week for $20 a month, but Farnsworth says that MoviePass has seen a 25 percent surge in new subs since then, probably because every news article noted that MoviePass was much cheaper — $10 a month for a ticket per day.
Farnsworth also says much of the $1.2 billion will go to its production company, MoviePass Films, as well as its film investment asset, MoviePass Ventures, which has thrown money behind American Animals and Gotti thus far.
"This is a game changer," says Farnsworth. "Now they know that we are not going away."
The company filed a shelf registration that will offer institutional investors equity and debt, and Helios and Matheson CEO Ted Farnsworth tells The Hollywood Reporter that he'll likely access the $1.2 billion over the course of a year or two.
A portion of the windfall will be used to make acquisitions, and Farnsworth says he is in final negotiations on a few already, though he declines to name the companies he will purchase.
If Helios and Matheson is successful in gaining access to such a large sum of money when the company sports only a $69 million market capitalization on Wall Street, it will represent a huge vote of confidence for its MoviePass asset.
Farnsworth, in fact, has been down this road before, having raised $400 million last year, also several times what the company's market cap was at the time.
"They've been predicting our demise for eight months and we're still standing," says Farnsworth. "Now we'll have a big war chest behind us."
MoviePass says it may reverse-split its stock both in order to raise money more easily and to make sure its shares are not delisted from Nasdaq, given they trade at less than a buck apiece, which is under Nasdaq's listing threshold.
Farnsworth says MoviePass will have 5 million subscribers by year's end and will generate $600 million in annual revenue. Doubters say MoviePass is basically selling dollar bills for 50 cents apiece, though Farnsworth recalls that the same was once said of Amazon.com.
"I was at a conference with Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos in around 1999 when a headline referred to the company as 'Amazon.bomb.' Well, look who's laughing now," says Farnsworth.
MoviePass intends to make a profit by marketing films and other items, selling data and striking concession and ticketing relationships with theater chains that crave the traffic the service can generate — as it has been known to drive as much as 50 percent of the box office on certain titles, especially smaller ones where subscribers might otherwise balk at buying a full-price ticket.
MoviePass faces some new competition from AMC, as the nation's largest movie exhibitor launched its own service where subscribers get three movies tickets a week for $20 a month, but Farnsworth says that MoviePass has seen a 25 percent surge in new subs since then, probably because every news article noted that MoviePass was much cheaper — $10 a month for a ticket per day.
Farnsworth also says much of the $1.2 billion will go to its production company, MoviePass Films, as well as its film investment asset, MoviePass Ventures, which has thrown money behind American Animals and Gotti thus far.
"This is a game changer," says Farnsworth. "Now they know that we are not going away."
#1739
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I mean, wouldn't a huge vote in confidence mean that the stock rises? It's highly possible I just don't understand the stock market, tough.
#1740
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
"Look at Jeff Bezos and Amazon, people laughed at him and who is laughing now?"
yep you're exactly like Jeff Bezos, sure you are buddy...
yep you're exactly like Jeff Bezos, sure you are buddy...
#1741
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Disclaimer. I don't understand Wall Street. So if you own stock and they do a reverse split what does that mean? Do you own half the stock you once had? So does your investment suddenly halve?
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re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
If you bought 4 shares of stock at $.25 each, your investment would be $1.00 for four shares.
Assuming the value held steady, a 4-1 reverse split would mean you now own 1 share that is worth $1.00. In theory your dollar value doesn’t change. However, your “power” as a shareholder has just been diluted — you now have 1/4 of the voting power you had before. Not really a big deal unless you are a huge shareholder and actually have some sway.
The advantage to MP is that their share price instantly jumps over the de-listing threshold of $1.00. It’s value didn’t actually change.
What concerns me about this access to $1.2 billion is the fact that the CEO didn’t understand last time that he didn’t actually have access to a $300 million line of credit — he had the ability to keep pumping out stock to the tune of $300 million in stock sales (which is a hell of a lot of stock at their price). So what exactly is this cash vehicle he is seeking this time? EDIT TO ADD: It looks like the same thing — authorization to sell off portions of the company (stock, debt, equity, etc.) up to $1.2 billion. So this raises another concern with the reverse stock spilt — you are going to decrease the number of shares to artificially raise share price so you can then create and sell more shares. Dilution.
Yes, this is one of the many things wrong with Wall Street, but enough of the dot-coms have succeeded with the “burn money till it pays” model that people are still suckers for it. As I’ve said, under different leadership I think this would be worth investing in. Either they will diversify enough to get out of the movie ticket business or somebody will gobble them up for access to their tech or database.
Assuming the value held steady, a 4-1 reverse split would mean you now own 1 share that is worth $1.00. In theory your dollar value doesn’t change. However, your “power” as a shareholder has just been diluted — you now have 1/4 of the voting power you had before. Not really a big deal unless you are a huge shareholder and actually have some sway.
The advantage to MP is that their share price instantly jumps over the de-listing threshold of $1.00. It’s value didn’t actually change.
What concerns me about this access to $1.2 billion is the fact that the CEO didn’t understand last time that he didn’t actually have access to a $300 million line of credit — he had the ability to keep pumping out stock to the tune of $300 million in stock sales (which is a hell of a lot of stock at their price). So what exactly is this cash vehicle he is seeking this time? EDIT TO ADD: It looks like the same thing — authorization to sell off portions of the company (stock, debt, equity, etc.) up to $1.2 billion. So this raises another concern with the reverse stock spilt — you are going to decrease the number of shares to artificially raise share price so you can then create and sell more shares. Dilution.
Yes, this is one of the many things wrong with Wall Street, but enough of the dot-coms have succeeded with the “burn money till it pays” model that people are still suckers for it. As I’ve said, under different leadership I think this would be worth investing in. Either they will diversify enough to get out of the movie ticket business or somebody will gobble them up for access to their tech or database.
Last edited by Abob Teff; 07-02-18 at 10:48 PM.
#1743
DVD Talk Hero
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Who gives a fuck? Go watch as many movies as you can and get your money's worth.
I did get an email from them today saying that they would no longer take PayPal as payment provider, so I figure it's because they don't want to pay PP's fees, which is understandable. They are now only taking credit/debit cards for monthly and yearly payments.
I did get an email from them today saying that they would no longer take PayPal as payment provider, so I figure it's because they don't want to pay PP's fees, which is understandable. They are now only taking credit/debit cards for monthly and yearly payments.
#1744
DVD Talk Gold Edition
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
Finally used MP for the first time today to see Solo. Easy as pie. Checked in from the car, walked in and bought the ticket at the kiosk. No email about a picture or anything.
#1745
DVD Talk God
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
You don't get an e-mail, your app will prompt you to upload the stub.
#1746
DVD Talk Legend & 2021 TOTY Winner
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I've never been prompted to upload a stub at any time other than immediately after check-in
#1748
DVD Talk Legend & 2021 TOTY Winner
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I think he's saying that you don't get an email to request a stub of a movie you've seen, you get prompted in the app. Did you get an email requesting a stub, or are you talking about the email that informs you that they are going to start requesting stubs from you?
#1749
DVD Talk Hero
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I think he's saying that you don't get an email to request a stub of a movie you've seen, you get prompted in the app. Did you get an email requesting a stub, or are you talking about the email that informs you that they are going to start requesting stubs from you?
#1750
re: MoviePass... would it work for you? [UPDATE: THE DEAD SHALL RISE]
I just got the peak pricing instructions email.