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Old 11-13-17, 11:16 AM   #601
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I'm paying the $10 a month whether I'm hitting movies on a regular basis or not, because I know that once the holiday season kicks in, I will be going a LOT.
I have to wonder if the Moviepass business model is working for them. I thought with at least 600K new subs, you would see an increase in ticket sales especially for non-tentpole films. Instead, the box office returns have been pretty much as typical. I've missed out on quite a few films I wanted to see like THe Foreigner because my theater yanks them out in a week if they are not a hit. Moviepass is loving me as a customer because I've paid them $30 now and only seen like 4 movies so far. I wonder if most people are like me, just not having the time to constantly go to the movies every weekend.
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I have to wonder if the Moviepass business model is working for them. I thought with at least 600K new subs, you would see an increase in ticket sales especially for non-tentpole films. Instead, the box office returns have been pretty much as typical. I've missed out on quite a few films I wanted to see like THe Foreigner because my theater yanks them out in a week if they are not a hit. Moviepass is loving me as a customer because I've paid them $30 now and only seen like 4 movies so far. I wonder if most people are like me, just not having the time to constantly go to the movies every weekend.
I don't know how much of an impact those new subs would have, especially if they're trickling the cards out (intentionally or not). It would be pretty impressive, and exactly what they want, if they could point to an increase in ticket sales just because of them. I mean they have the numbers on how many tickets they've bought.
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I wonder if most people are like me, just not having the time to constantly go to the movies every weekend.
We had advanced tickets to Ragnarok because of a scheduled "play date" with two other couples at a reserved seating theater, which we paid for, and I've already seen Justice League for free because of a military sneak. Otherwise, it's been a dry spell for movies the past month or so. I expect it to pickup in another week or so for me.
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So I've found the best way for me to see an IMAX 3D showing is to check in for a ticket to a regular show at night and purchase a ticket to a morning IMAX 3D showing. Anyone else have any other strategies? Splitting purchase methods would get confusing as some theaters in my area stopped including tax in the ticket price so the total price is always an odd number. I could calculate it exactly but wouldn't want the person punching in the wrong amount. I wish they would include a way to upgrade as I wouldn't mind paying for certain movies every once in awhile.
While this will most likely work, it is against the TOS and could jeopardize your membership as well as the entire program itself.
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You do only have 30 minutes to buy a ticket from the time you check in, but you don't have to check into a showtime that is near to the time you arrive. You can arrive at 10AM and check into a show at 10PM and buy that ticket. I think what tanman is saying is that you check into an evening show for a regular movie, and then buy a morning IMAX ticket instead. This would work if the cost of the evening ticket is more than the AM IMAX ticket. You wouldn't have to make two trips, but it's still against the TOS, and could raise a red flag if the charge isn't exactly right.
I'm only doing it when the charges are exactly the same which it happened to be. I'm just wondering if there was a different way to do it.

Unfortunately my preferred theater doesn't participate in Movie Pass so I will still go there for some of the big releases. It's a single theater real IMAX at the world golf village. Even though its about a 30 min drive it's worth it to me to see one of the big openers on a real IMAX. I still think that's one of the biggest scams in movies today are all the lieMAX theaters. It certainly lowers the IMAX name IMHO.
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Old 11-14-17, 12:11 AM   #608
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While this will most likely work, it is against the TOS and could jeopardize your membership as well as the entire program itself.
It is against the TOS but if it is for the same exact charge I don't see how they would know. I highly doubt it if it would effect the whole program. It's not like those who check into movies and then don't see them just for the points. I really don't see why they don't have an option to upsell me a 3D or IMAX movie. Maybe they are worried about customer confusion?
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I've seen 9 movies since I first started using the card on September 22nd.

The average ticket price was probably around $11. I've only been billed once. I think the service has been more than worth it.

I'm not really big on seeing comedies in the theater, so I have been a little hesitant to go see a comedy like Bad Moms Christmas or Daddy's Home 2. I personally prefer to see Dramas, Horrorm Sci-fi or Action movies in the theater.
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Old 11-14-17, 12:19 AM   #610
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I have to wonder if the Moviepass business model is working for them. I thought with at least 600K new subs, you would see an increase in ticket sales especially for non-tentpole films. Instead, the box office returns have been pretty much as typical. I've missed out on quite a few films I wanted to see like THe Foreigner because my theater yanks them out in a week if they are not a hit. Moviepass is loving me as a customer because I've paid them $30 now and only seen like 4 movies so far. I wonder if most people are like me, just not having the time to constantly go to the movies every weekend.
I don't see how it's a viable business model either. Actually it isn't. Plain and simple even for your low use they are losing money. As it stands now I'm sure they are losing a lot of money but I'm sure they have some kind of long term goal in mind. Hopefully for us consumers that means them grabbing a piece of the concession profits or something on the theater end. But I also see them gradually increasing prices or putting more roadblocks up to limit the movies you can see. Hopefully it will be reasonable but in the meantime I'm enjoying being able to see all the movies I want to for $10 a month. The article also hit it on the head with people seeing movies they wouldn't normally see. I totally have the thought process of if this movie is worth paying to see in the theaters but since MP I've seen Only the Brave and Thank You for Your Service which I definitely would not have paid to see otherwise. Right now everyone is benefiting from Movie Passes loss. The studios love the increased ticket sales, consumers love watching more movies, and the theaters (should) love the increased ticket and concession sales. It's a win, win, win for everyone except Movie Pass as the business model stands right at this moment. But they are definitely going to have to change something for them to stay profitable.
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Old 11-14-17, 10:32 AM   #611
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I don't see how it's a viable business model either. Actually it isn't. Plain and simple even for your low use they are losing money. As it stands now I'm sure they are losing a lot of money but I'm sure they have some kind of long term goal in mind. Hopefully for us consumers that means them grabbing a piece of the concession profits or something on the theater end. But I also see them gradually increasing prices or putting more roadblocks up to limit the movies you can see. Hopefully it will be reasonable but in the meantime I'm enjoying being able to see all the movies I want to for $10 a month. The article also hit it on the head with people seeing movies they wouldn't normally see. I totally have the thought process of if this movie is worth paying to see in the theaters but since MP I've seen Only the Brave and Thank You for Your Service which I definitely would not have paid to see otherwise. Right now everyone is benefiting from Movie Passes loss. The studios love the increased ticket sales, consumers love watching more movies, and the theaters (should) love the increased ticket and concession sales. It's a win, win, win for everyone except Movie Pass as the business model stands right at this moment. But they are definitely going to have to change something for them to stay profitable.

Yeah, that's what I always loved about the Moviepass service. It propelled me to see movies that I would normally pass on. On the flip side, when the sub price was $30-40, I also felt like I had to go at least twice a week. If I skipped a week or got sick, I felt like Moviepass beat me especially since I typically only go to matinees at $5.99 per ticket.
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I'm curious if anyone that's following this thread hasn't yet subscribed to MP and why.
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Old 11-14-17, 10:47 AM   #613
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I haven't subscribed - almost did back when the 9.99 was announced but sounded like a big pain in the ass with regards to people being double charged or more, cards not showing up or taking forever, having to scan tickets when it doesn't work, etc.

I don't go to the movies enough to deal with that kind of stuff.

I live right across the street from a theater and Tuesday's are 4.25 so I can just got for cheap then if I want.
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Old 11-14-17, 11:12 AM   #614
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Yeah, it's really not a pain in the ass at all, but $4.25 is super cheap so I woulda done that too.
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Old 11-14-17, 11:42 AM   #615
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If you're seeing two or less movies a month at that rate, then probably not much incentive to subscribe, but the shipping issues are sorted now, and it really is a breeze to use once you have your card.

Still if you'd like more flexibility than just seeing movies on Tuesdays, or if there's movies that you would be interested in seeing if you didn't have to pay full price, it might still be worth a look. I know there's stuff that I see now that I wouldn't have if I had to pay. Not that I see every movie that's released, but I'm a whole lot less picky with what I see now.
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Old 11-14-17, 12:04 PM   #616
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OK thanks for the feedback. I just saw mention of those issues and was kind of in wait and see mode.
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As Obi-Wan mentioned, and I made a similar post earlier, the flexibility to see a movie without having to figure out certain days or times or theaters is awesome. And it's super easy to use. Not one issue with getting a ticket. And I've tried it at 5 different theaters. Even went to one that I had been meaning to try out. I think I only have to try it out at 2 more theaters to complete all the ones I would use. One is a local art house that's playing Lady Bird starting Friday, so I'll knock that one out soon.

I was on the fence for a bit, too. Waiting for the initial dust to settle. Glad I jumped in for as long as it lasts
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Old 11-14-17, 01:19 PM   #618
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I have definitely seen movies that I normally wouldnt have, thanks to Moviepass. So things I was only sort of interested in, have gotten a ticket sale, and the theater keeps getting my concession money, cause I love popcorn
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It is against the TOS but if it is for the same exact charge I don't see how they would know. I highly doubt it if it would effect the whole program. It's not like those who check into movies and then don't see them just for the points. I really don't see why they don't have an option to upsell me a 3D or IMAX movie. Maybe they are worried about customer confusion?
They won't know, but it is against the terms that you agreed to when you signed up. Widespread scamming of the program like that could definitely jeopardize it for all of us.
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Old 11-14-17, 02:28 PM   #620
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Yeah, don’t fuck this up for us. Remember, we’re only guaranteed a year of this price, and even then, they can kick people out as they see fit.

Those of you new to the system have it pretty good, but there were times with the 24 Hour clock, being required to take pics of stubs, and theater blackouts. Again, don’t fuck it up and make us go back to that bullshit.
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Not really sure what the business model is other than an effort to gain numerous subscribers regardless of the cost. I think it benefits the theater the most. I go to movies I wouldn't normally pay to go see and buy concessions which is where they make their money. As soon as the price goes up, I'm out. I just can't go to enough to justify the higher pricing.
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Not really sure what the business model is other than an effort to gain numerous subscribers regardless of the cost. I think it benefits the theater the most. I go to movies I wouldn't normally pay to go see and buy concessions which is where they make their money. As soon as the price goes up, I'm out. I just can't go to enough to justify the higher pricing.
The reason some large theaters aren't excited despite getting full price for each ticket plus a lot more concessions is that they lose either way.

If Moviepass becomes a huge hit, they'll be big enough to force theaters into deals to share concession revenue, etc. This is the end game. I realize they made a big deal about selling info but so what, they now know that I'll go to movies if they're dirt cheap, I'm not sure how valuable that really is to advertisers. Maybe the location info or something.

If Moviepass fails, they will have conditioned a lot of people to pay only ten bucks a month for an all you can eat daily buffet, and when they go under it'll be hard to stomach ten bucks for a single movie.

Not to mention that it all but ruins any kind of all you can watch programs they had in the works. The rumor was amc was ready to unveil something but they obviously can't match that price.

But Moviepass is basically bleeding money paying for you to go to movies. They will run out eventually. It was a brilliant move for them to hire a former Netflix guy as their CEO, it gave them more cache with investors.
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The reason some large theaters aren't excited despite getting full price for each ticket plus a lot more concessions is that they lose either way.

If Moviepass becomes a huge hit, they'll be big enough to force theaters into deals to share concession revenue, etc. This is the end game. I realize they made a big deal about selling info but so what, they now know that I'll go to movies if they're dirt cheap, I'm not sure how valuable that really is to advertisers. Maybe the location info or something.

If Moviepass fails, they will have conditioned a lot of people to pay only ten bucks a month for an all you can eat daily buffet, and when they go under it'll be hard to stomach ten bucks for a single movie.

Not to mention that it all but ruins any kind of all you can watch programs they had in the works. The rumor was amc was ready to unveil something but they obviously can't match that price.

But Moviepass is basically bleeding money paying for you to go to movies. They will run out eventually. It was a brilliant move for them to hire a former Netflix guy as their CEO, it gave them more cache with investors.
I don't think so. It's still a win for everyone except MP.

I still don't see what their leverage is though. Why should the theaters play nice with MP? What could they do? Say they decide to not allow their subscriber base to go to AMC theaters anymore. That will go much worse for MP then it will for AMC as it would cause an uproar and cancellations from MP's customers. AMC isn't the bad guy here. I just don't see how they can be forced into giving them a significant cut of ticket sales or concession sales.

Even if MP undercut AMC and beat them to the punch with an AYCE movie subscription service AMC STILL wins out because instead of absorbing the hit on them having to absorb multiple people going to multiple showings without paying any extra they get paid each and every time that person goes and sees a movie. On top of that they are more willing to spend money on concessions.

I think AMC is just mad because MP undercut their own subscription plan but if they really thought about it they come out on top. Even if they were to give them a discount on tickets or a portion of concession sales.

As far as getting used to only paying $10/month and not going to the theater anymore if that goes away that might be true for a little while but then people would just go back to their current habit of only going to the theater for the big tent pole movies. People are going to see the next Star Wars whether they pay 10/month or $15/ticket to see it.

The only question is now that MP has their subscriber base what are they going to do to start generating profit? I'm sure they are selling information already. Don't discount that. The information they have access to is very valuable.
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I can easily see, if Moviepass somehow becomes wildly successful, them being able to say to cut out major theater chains if they don't play ball. It will be less convenient for the userbase but most people have more than one theater around them, for 10 bucks a month I think a lot of people would change which one they go to once they're used to the service. I would.

Star Wars will always get money, of course. But that goes back to the variable pricing the theaters want to try out, to test that theory and charge more for the blockbuster.

I'm sure the info is valuable, I'm just not sure it's valuable enough to offset the cost of each ticket they buy to get that data. I mean to get the single data point that I went to a movie, they bought me the ticket. I'll do that deal all day, every day. Amazon gets that data and I pay them for the privilege.
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I can easily see, if Moviepass somehow becomes wildly successful, them being able to say to cut out major theater chains if they don't play ball. It will be less convenient for the userbase but most people have more than one theater around them, for 10 bucks a month I think a lot of people would change which one they go to once they're used to the service. I would.

Star Wars will always get money, of course. But that goes back to the variable pricing the theaters want to try out, to test that theory and charge more for the blockbuster.

I'm sure the info is valuable, I'm just not sure it's valuable enough to offset the cost of each ticket they buy to get that data. I mean to get the single data point that I went to a movie, they bought me the ticket. I'll do that deal all day, every day. Amazon gets that data and I pay them for the privilege.
All good points. I still don't see them blocking a major chain from their user base though. Especially with the former Netflix at the head of MP. Their business model is to allow customers as many different ways to access Netflix as possible. Don't get me wrong I'm sure they will try for a piece of concessions profit or discount ticket pricing I'm just not sure they have any teeth to make a deal especially with those chains that, for some reason, hate the idea of Movie Pass.

I would be all in favor of variable pricing but of course what would happen is that the blockbusters would go up in price instead of the indy films going down in price. But wouldn't the pricing be set by the studio and not the theater?
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