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X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011) The Reviews Thread
06-05-11, 06:31 PM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011) The Reviews Thread
I actually thought...man, even the black people in this one get the shaft.
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06-05-11, 08:18 PM
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Wikipedia entry on the "Darwin" character says he appears in an after-credit scene? But was there actually an after credits scene or is this just bs.?
06-05-11, 08:32 PM
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I didn't stay, so I don't know if there was one, but I hadn't heard anything around the net that there was.
06-05-11, 08:38 PM
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There wasn't any after-credit scene. Not sure if I was more disappointed that there was none after First Class or there was a lame one after Thor (my kids and I were really looking forward to a Captain America teaser after Thor).
06-05-11, 09:02 PM
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I saw a featurette on the movie and it was COMPLETELY reshot but done shot for shot from the first film. Even Bryan Singer was fooled when he came to the set. He thought some of that footage was from the first film as well.
06-05-11, 09:27 PM
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I was really enjoying a movie about Magneto killing Nazis, and then all this X-men bullshit started happening...
I do have to say that
was much more enjoyable than the entirety of
I do have to say that
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06-05-11, 09:36 PM
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06-05-11, 10:11 PM
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And that WAS a Captain America teaser.
06-05-11, 10:44 PM
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I expect The Sentinels especially since they had a cameo (sort of and poorly at that) in X3.
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06-05-11, 10:54 PM
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Emma Frost is in the Wolverine movie, years later but somehow younger.
Sebastian Shaw and pre-Beast Hank McCoy are in X2.
Sebastian Shaw and pre-Beast Hank McCoy are in X2.
06-05-11, 11:13 PM
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I'm not sure why everyone in this thread seems to be drooling over Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique after having seen Rebecca Romijn play the same character. IMO, Rebecca was far sexier as Mystique and better overall as Mystique. Lawrence did alright playing her as the pre-evil version of the character though.
No one else has mentioned...
One question about the beginning...
Besides the previously mentioned cameos, there were a lot of good small appearances from some good character actors including
Can someone who knows the comics tell me if Mystique and Azazal are the parents of Nightcrawler? I think he is supposed to be her son and I'm guessing he would be the father.
So Kevin Bacon played Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi?
No one else has mentioned...
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One question about the beginning...
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Besides the previously mentioned cameos, there were a lot of good small appearances from some good character actors including
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Can someone who knows the comics tell me if Mystique and Azazal are the parents of Nightcrawler? I think he is supposed to be her son and I'm guessing he would be the father.
So Kevin Bacon played Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi?
06-05-11, 11:34 PM
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06-06-11, 12:01 AM
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Ironside was a great choice for a generally thankless part, while Platt's character felt wasteful.
06-06-11, 12:19 AM
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I do like how this movie pretty much gives a middle finger to a lot of continuity - fuck the fan-boys and their obsessive slavery to continuity bullshit! If the choice is between interesting characters/story or continuity, and you choose continuity, you're part of the problem.
06-06-11, 12:24 AM
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06-06-11, 12:53 AM
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I do like how this movie pretty much gives a middle finger to a lot of continuity - fuck the fan-boys and their obsessive slavery to continuity bullshit! If the choice is between interesting characters/story or continuity, and you choose continuity, you're part of the problem.
06-06-11, 03:03 AM
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I do like how this movie pretty much gives a middle finger to a lot of continuity - fuck the fan-boys and their obsessive slavery to continuity bullshit! If the choice is between interesting characters/story or continuity, and you choose continuity, you're part of the problem.
I quit reading X-Men around issue 285 so I was thinking who the f--- are these characters. Did they create their own for the movie. Seems a lot of stupid shit happened in X-Men after I quit reading.
The use of characters who aren't the original X-Men bugs me a little but what you gonna do?
06-06-11, 03:27 AM
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Meanwhile, I thought this film was absolutely fantastic. Best X-film to date, and outside of a select few X-Men storylines, better than most of the comics. My biggest complaint was January Jones, who couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. At least they put her in as many skimpy clothes as possible.
This movie was so good I'm very happy to say "go fuck yourself" to the continuity police and just enjoy it. Matthew Vaughn continues to surprise me. I fully expected this to be crap, but he came through.
06-06-11, 08:04 AM
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"Are you really going to make that assertion without an example, you know, seeing as how you "studied" it?"
1. There was nothing particularly new or interesting about the plot or its themes. It was a cookie-cutter story that reeked of "hey how can we tie all of these historical events in with X-Men?!". Sure, it was fun to see how they tied the Cuban Missile Crisis in with the X-Men and the cameos were cute, but they just never took it to that next level of greatness. It tried to excite the audience with cheap shot moments such as "hey, that's beast! I remember him! Look how normal he looks!" and "so that's how Magneto got his helmet and that's how Professor X got crippled!". It was all so obviously forced that it was almost cringeworthy and if one were to remove the other X-Men films from history First Class would not stand on its own merits AT ALL.
2. The acting was subpar for most of the cast, although Kevin Bacon and Michael Fassbender were decent. James McAvoy was completely uncompelling as Professor X and the rest did not make an effort to wow the audience. I never got lost in any of the characters such that I really thought that it was Darwin or Raven or Beast or whomever.
3. The writing was never more than adequate. Character development, when it happened at all, was mostly forced and unsatisfying. Magneto's story of revenge made sense in the simplest way, and his desire to rule the world and get rid of humanity instead of reasoning with them seems odd for somebody who was in a concentration camp.
4. The pacing of the movie was okay - it was certainly watchable but nothing truly spectacular ever happened. There were absolutely no standout moments in the movie that I will remember even a month from now.
5. The soundtrack was laughably uninteresting and clearly had no heart and soul behind it. You could probably swap it with the soundtrack behind almost every other mainstream action or superhero movie of the last few years and it would sound 90% the same. They swelled the music up at all the predictable times to force emotion instead of letting emotion come naturally from the writing and the acting itself.
In the end, it was bad, but it was watchably bad which is what most of the mainstream American moviegoing audience seems to like, apparently. So long as the pacing is okay it seems like mainstream directors can get away with mediocre or bad scripts, acting, cinematography, etc, and that's unfortunate.
Out of curiousity what rating out of 5 would those of you who liked it or thought it was good give it?
RE: anomynous: "Elitist much?"
-Yes I am, but I'm an elitist who not only can back up his claims but also has a good reason for being that way. I don't mind if anybody liked this movie or any other movie I think is bad, but to say that it was good is a slap in the face to all of the far superior films out there.
1. There was nothing particularly new or interesting about the plot or its themes. It was a cookie-cutter story that reeked of "hey how can we tie all of these historical events in with X-Men?!". Sure, it was fun to see how they tied the Cuban Missile Crisis in with the X-Men and the cameos were cute, but they just never took it to that next level of greatness. It tried to excite the audience with cheap shot moments such as "hey, that's beast! I remember him! Look how normal he looks!" and "so that's how Magneto got his helmet and that's how Professor X got crippled!". It was all so obviously forced that it was almost cringeworthy and if one were to remove the other X-Men films from history First Class would not stand on its own merits AT ALL.
2. The acting was subpar for most of the cast, although Kevin Bacon and Michael Fassbender were decent. James McAvoy was completely uncompelling as Professor X and the rest did not make an effort to wow the audience. I never got lost in any of the characters such that I really thought that it was Darwin or Raven or Beast or whomever.
3. The writing was never more than adequate. Character development, when it happened at all, was mostly forced and unsatisfying. Magneto's story of revenge made sense in the simplest way, and his desire to rule the world and get rid of humanity instead of reasoning with them seems odd for somebody who was in a concentration camp.
4. The pacing of the movie was okay - it was certainly watchable but nothing truly spectacular ever happened. There were absolutely no standout moments in the movie that I will remember even a month from now.
5. The soundtrack was laughably uninteresting and clearly had no heart and soul behind it. You could probably swap it with the soundtrack behind almost every other mainstream action or superhero movie of the last few years and it would sound 90% the same. They swelled the music up at all the predictable times to force emotion instead of letting emotion come naturally from the writing and the acting itself.
In the end, it was bad, but it was watchably bad which is what most of the mainstream American moviegoing audience seems to like, apparently. So long as the pacing is okay it seems like mainstream directors can get away with mediocre or bad scripts, acting, cinematography, etc, and that's unfortunate.
Out of curiousity what rating out of 5 would those of you who liked it or thought it was good give it?
RE: anomynous: "Elitist much?"
-Yes I am, but I'm an elitist who not only can back up his claims but also has a good reason for being that way. I don't mind if anybody liked this movie or any other movie I think is bad, but to say that it was good is a slap in the face to all of the far superior films out there.
Wow, there is just no pleasing some people. Did you even watch the same movie I saw? First Class delivered everything that you would expect from a good X-men movie. You must have hated the other Singer X-men flicks then as they had the same level of pacing and story telling. This is a superhero movie, not Shakespeare. I went in wanting to see killer action, great effects, and interesting mutant powers. I got that along with Kevin Bacon as a superb villian. He made Magneto look like a pansey for most of the film.
And yet, you are annoyed that an origin film actually shows the origins? I was quite satisfied with the way the film pieces snap together with the first X-men flick. The only bit that I felt was forced was the part where they show off their powers and come up with goofy names.
Best superhero movie I've seen in years.
06-06-11, 08:17 AM
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I quit during the Morrison (so I hated the inclusion of Angel) and the horrible Austen run so Azezal and Darwin were lost on me but it had enough recognizable characters that I still had an X-Men vibe to me. Sure I would have liked to have seen Jean since I felt they made her far too old in the original trilogy but at least we got Beast and a Summers.
06-06-11, 09:07 AM
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And it's a crazy notion for someone to ask for both? Who those other X-Men were in the First Class wouldn't have changed anything about the strongest performances/story aspect of the movie, which was Xavier and Magneto. So why not make them the actual first X-Men? Or does giving the middle finger to those concerned with continuity only apply to people looking at it from the comic aspect and not those looking at it in terms of the other films?
06-06-11, 09:39 AM
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I really enjoyed it, but I do not know enough about X-Men to be disappointed with some of the choices (continuity errors) that were made. Vaughn is 4 for 4 in my book as he makes really watchable movies.
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06-06-11, 09:50 AM
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I don't look at continuity changes as an "error". It's not like there is one definitive X-Men story out there.
As we've been going to these comic book movies, my wife has been asking me about some of the older stories. I haven't read comics in years but I kept up for a while, and read the Marvel Universe books with descriptions of all the characters so I have a passing familiarity with many of the storylines. I'll try to explain something to her, and then think...oh crap, that's not right, they changed that, etc. These books have been around for decades and they've mucked up the origins, powers, relationships, and uniforms so much that...honestly, if they have the characters names right I feel they've succeeded.
There are literally thousands of stories out there using these characters. I just can't get hung up on movie makers doing what comic writers have done for years...changing things to suit their purposes.
As we've been going to these comic book movies, my wife has been asking me about some of the older stories. I haven't read comics in years but I kept up for a while, and read the Marvel Universe books with descriptions of all the characters so I have a passing familiarity with many of the storylines. I'll try to explain something to her, and then think...oh crap, that's not right, they changed that, etc. These books have been around for decades and they've mucked up the origins, powers, relationships, and uniforms so much that...honestly, if they have the characters names right I feel they've succeeded.
There are literally thousands of stories out there using these characters. I just can't get hung up on movie makers doing what comic writers have done for years...changing things to suit their purposes.
06-06-11, 11:01 AM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011) The Reviews Thread
I'm just glad they didn't digitally replace Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen.