Eyes Wide Shut- myths and minutiae
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut- myths and minutiae
...this just got weird. *sigh* I can't believe I'm going to check the nipples/areolas out.
EDIT: Well I'll be damned you're right. Whatever the situation was...and depending on where this was in the editing time frame in comparison to when Kubrick died...there are many answers. I don't know. Kubrick did a final cut before he died. The cut we have now should be his final cut...soooo...I'm sure he used it intentionally. It's Kubrick. I'm sure he used it cuz he had to...possibly not cuz he wanted to. Not sure as to why though....which only adds to the mystery.
EDIT: Well I'll be damned you're right. Whatever the situation was...and depending on where this was in the editing time frame in comparison to when Kubrick died...there are many answers. I don't know. Kubrick did a final cut before he died. The cut we have now should be his final cut...soooo...I'm sure he used it intentionally. It's Kubrick. I'm sure he used it cuz he had to...possibly not cuz he wanted to. Not sure as to why though....which only adds to the mystery.
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...this just got weird. *sigh* I can't believe I'm going to check the nipples/areolas out.
EDIT: Well I'll be damned you're right. Whatever the situation was...and depending on where this was in the editing time frame in comparison to when Kubrick died...there are many answers. I don't know. Kubrick did a final cut before he died. The cut we have now should be his final cut...soooo...I'm sure he used it intentionally. It's Kubrick. I'm sure he used it cuz he had to...possibly not cuz he wanted to. Not sure as to why though....which only adds to the mystery.
EDIT: Well I'll be damned you're right. Whatever the situation was...and depending on where this was in the editing time frame in comparison to when Kubrick died...there are many answers. I don't know. Kubrick did a final cut before he died. The cut we have now should be his final cut...soooo...I'm sure he used it intentionally. It's Kubrick. I'm sure he used it cuz he had to...possibly not cuz he wanted to. Not sure as to why though....which only adds to the mystery.
I'm not going to hate on the guy becuase I think he was a very good director and it's not like that couple second scene ruined the movie but it just seems inexcusable that such a genius director would allow such sloppy editing. Like I said before, I can't imagine what possible reason there would have been to splice together two different actresses to make that one scene. He was notorious for doing many, many takes, so my guess is that he did another take and the original actress wasn't around so he just substituted another girl and unfathomably left it in.
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This was just a great post. I don't know how else to respond. Just a great and highly detailed post.
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Kubrick usually edited his movies significantly after they were first shown to the public, so I'm pretty sure that we didn't see what would have been the 'final' cut, had he lived longer. It's really just the last version he did before he died. For example, that last scene in the store is paced really strangely, and I suspect he would have edited down or totally deleted it.
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IMHO, if he had asked for a Miller Light, I would have thought blatant product placement. If he had asked for a Schnitz, I would be distracted by the fact that the brand doesn't exist. So by asking for a beer, the movie sneaks past two references that would have taken me out of the movie.
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Where did he use it? I recall the costume shop but that was to show the owner that he was indeed telling the truth when he claimed to be the previous owner's doctor.
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Basically he used it like a detective would use his/her badge. It's ok...I'm a doctor so you can tell me anything.
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Wouldn't he have a badge for the hospital or clinic that he practiced? Not necessarily a I'm a doctor badge but more like I work for such and such general hospital.
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Regarding the doctor badge: On the one hand I defy anyone to claim that "trick" wouldn't work on a lot of people. "He's a doctor...I can trust him." On the other hand it's also clear that it's a joke. The repetition (reptition is key to understanding everything in the film) of him pulling out his ID makes it funnier each time he does it. The film is a dark comedy after all.
Regarding the two different naked chicks: It's really confusing who is who in that scene. I believe there is a lot of debate about whether the actress who plays OD'd Mandy is the same actress who "sacrifices" herself at the party. There's seems to be debate about every naked woman in the movie (Mandy OD'd, Mandy dead at morgue, Masked women at party, etc), they all are similar in body type and hair. I wouldn't be suprised that Kubrick mixed actresses around in the orgy scene to prevent the audience from making any absolute determination of who is who.
Regarding the two different naked chicks: It's really confusing who is who in that scene. I believe there is a lot of debate about whether the actress who plays OD'd Mandy is the same actress who "sacrifices" herself at the party. There's seems to be debate about every naked woman in the movie (Mandy OD'd, Mandy dead at morgue, Masked women at party, etc), they all are similar in body type and hair. I wouldn't be suprised that Kubrick mixed actresses around in the orgy scene to prevent the audience from making any absolute determination of who is who.
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I noticed the two different naked chicks the first time I saw the movie. If there's a naked woman in a movie, I'm going to focus on the beaver, so that stood out.
I don't know if it's a continuity error or intentional. There's supposed to some confusion going on at the party, and we're supposed to wonder who's under the masks and what really happened that night.
If you watch the scene at the end with Victor and Bill, you will notice that Victor is very cagey in his conversation with Bill; he doesn't volunteer a lot of information and has a cover story for everything when pushed.
I don't know if it's a continuity error or intentional. There's supposed to some confusion going on at the party, and we're supposed to wonder who's under the masks and what really happened that night.
If you watch the scene at the end with Victor and Bill, you will notice that Victor is very cagey in his conversation with Bill; he doesn't volunteer a lot of information and has a cover story for everything when pushed.
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Guys - for goodness sakes. It wasn't a goof. It was intentional in order to keep the true identity of who approached Tom Cruise a mystery.
(Meaning there's no way it was Mandy.)
(Meaning there's no way it was Mandy.)
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Yeah go a couple posts up and read my description of the scene and how the character goes from one actress to a different actress. Look at her naughty bits--both upstairs and downstairs and you'll see that it's obviously a different woman but the way it's edited, the movie is seemingly trying to trick us into thinking it's the same woman. The question is why?
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alright...so...i painted some stuff over these girls and whatnot...I Think I'll be ok. So it's SFW...BUT JUST in case..it's spoilerized.
The arrow pointing at the girl...that's the girl we're talking about. I honestly can't believe we're talking about this...*sigh*
The arrow pointing at the girl...that's the girl we're talking about. I honestly can't believe we're talking about this...*sigh*
Spoiler:
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alright...so...i painted some stuff over these girls and whatnot...I Think I'll be ok. So it's SFW...BUT JUST in case..it's spoilerized.
The arrow pointing at the girl...that's the girl we're talking about. I honestly can't believe we're talking about this...*sigh*
The arrow pointing at the girl...that's the girl we're talking about. I honestly can't believe we're talking about this...*sigh*
Spoiler:
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I think Kubrick who was generally a meticulous director may have intentionally used different actresses to approximate the way faces and identities shift in dreams, which goes along with some of the dream logic that the film adheres to....its not consistent in the film but then again, neither are dreams consistent in their content.
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I think Kubrick who was generally a meticulous director may have intentionally used different actresses to approximate the way faces and identities shift in dreams, which goes along with some of the dream logic that the film adheres to....its not consistent in the film but then again, neither are dreams consistent in their content.
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There are certainly a number of unlikely coincidences and repeated motifs that occur throughout the film to go along with the dream imagery but it might just be that the Tom Cruise character had a psychological attachment to a certain "kind" of woman whom he sees as a victim/savior...
I don't think there's a definitive interpretation to all this, just as there's not a definitive interpretation to 2001 or The Shining.
It might help to read the book Kubrick based the movie on -Dream story by Arthur Schnitzler to see what Kubrick's intentions were (though the book is set in Vienna at the turn of the century.)
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It's also possible that one of the two shots you are discussing was a pick-up or re-shoot. Kubrick did re-shoots frequently. Maybe the original actress wasn't available anymore. The "substitute" is very close after all. It's not like this disqualifies all of Kubrick's credentials and now he's a shitty director.
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