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Question about Star Trek IV
I one question is when they time travel are they able to go to a fairly specfic time or is it all luck? My guess would be that they can pick a year and get pretty close to it. They were shooting for the last half of the 20th century and they seemingly landed in 1986.
Now, if they could go to such a specific time--specific being within 50 years, what was so special about the last half of the 20th century? Whales have been around for millions of years, so why not go back to a time period before modern humans were around so there would be no chance of capture or anybody seeing them? Or if they didn't want to go that far back in time why pick a populated area like San Francisco and why take whales that were in captivity? Humpback whales are in every ocean on the planet and when they migrate from Alaska to Hawaii I'd bet that for much of that migration they're hundreds and hundreds of miles from any land whatsoever. Why couldn't they just go out in the middle of the ocean and beem some whales aboard and not worry about dealing with the people of that time? Obviously I know it's a movie, but what were the movie reasons for going to San Francisco in the 1980's? Being in San Francisco in the 1980's meant that they could acquire the nuclear material they needed to get their ship going again, but they had no idea that they'd end up needing to get their ship going again, so why did they pick a populated area in the 1980's to steal the whales from? |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by whoopdido
(Post 10588735)
Now, if they could go to such a specific time--specific being within 50 years, what was so special about the last half of the 20th century?
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
They knew Scotty would have to invent transparent aluminum for the make shift tank?
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Ahhhh, someone else is watching Syfy I see.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Because the movie wouldn't have been as good if they went back to some pre-civilization time? And they knew it's fun for the fans to see their heroes in the world at the time the movie was made? And it wouldn't have been as fun if they went to some remote area? I don't know...just brainstorming here. Exactly how would your idea be better than what we got?
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by NORML54601
(Post 10588768)
Ahhhh, someone else is watching Syfy I see.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
It's all about the Nuuuclear Wessels.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
it's the same reason that Emmett Brown can invent a time machine, a steam-powered fridge, and a gun that can shoot the ticks of a dog at 500 yards, but at the same time he's too stupid to know that the kerosine in his own blacksmith shop can be refined into gasoline.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Well, they wanted to have a movie that did three things:
1. Star Trek crew travels to modern day 2. Environmental message 3. Spock acts wacky #3 was easy, given the events of the previous movie. But everything else was just an excuse to get the plot points for #1 and #2 going. But if you still demand an "in universe" answer, I suppose the reason is that they wanted to travel as close the extinction of the whales as possible, that way if they did have some difficulties with the ship they'd at least have access to some technology. |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by Groucho
(Post 10588876)
But if you still demand an "in universe" answer, I suppose the reason is that they wanted to travel as close the extinction of the whales as possible, that way if they did have some difficulties with the ship they'd at least have access to some technology.
Also, going to a time when the human race was capable of tracking animals like humpback whales would be a benefit. |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
I don't know man. I can't imagine 200 year old technology would work anyway if something went wrong.
It would be like trying to find a plug in for your ipod if you went back in time to the early 1800's. In reality, if anything went wrong they'd be screwed with no way to get back, so if that were the case I'd pick a time and place where the chances of being captured or spotted would be zero. And yeah I know it's just a plot point, but I'm trying to figure out if there really was a reason to go to that specific time and place. I don't think picking a time closer to the extinction of whales would matter. Something tells me whales from the year 986 were pretty much identical to the whales from the year 1986 |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
You're right, in reality, the space travelers in their alien spacecraft that can go faster than light and travel in time would totally be stranded.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
(Post 10588909)
You're right, in reality, the space travelers in their alien spacecraft that can go faster than light and travel in time would totally be stranded.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
I think it's as mentioned, how close to their time could they go back to in order to adapt the technology. Like the whale tanks, which were actually plexiglass because they only gave the formula which the guys had no means of producing as a trade. Or that there were nuclear reactors to recharge their crystals.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
These questions were answered in the dialogue:
SPOCK Ready to engage computer, Admiral. KIRK What is our target in time? SPOCK The late 20th Century. KIRK Surely you can be more specific... SPOCK Not with this equipment. I have had to program some of the variables from memory. KIRK What are the variables...? SPOCK Availability of fuel components; Mass of the vessel through a time continuum, and the probable location of Humpbacks, in this case, the Pacific basin. KIRK You've programmed that from memory...? SPOCK I have. BONES (eyes to heaven) Angels and ministers of grace, defend us. SPOCK Hamlet, Act I scene 4. KIRK Mr. Spock... No doubts about your memory. |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Although they didn't need to recharge their crystals until after they went back so that wouldn't be a reason to pick 1986. It just was a benefit that they could fix them once there.
I'm going with the real answer: More fun to watch the Star Trek crew run around on present day Earth. What I never understood is how they had some sort of control to fly under the bridge. Shouldn't the power be 0? It should have been an out of control crash. Also, during TNG, they mentioned they needed to keep the matter/antimatter containment going. Well if the power went out on all of Earth's ships, should't all of their m/am chambers have lost power, resulting in huge explosions? |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by gmanca
(Post 10588977)
I think it's as mentioned, how close to their time could they go back to in order to adapt the technology. Like the whale tanks, which were actually plexiglass because they only gave the formula which the guys had no means of producing as a trade. Or that there were nuclear reactors to recharge their crystals.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Didn't they say in the beginning, when they were going back to Earth from Vulcan that the Bird Of Prey was low in energy reserves?
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by gmanca
(Post 10589036)
Didn't they say in the beginning, when they were going back to Earth from Vulcan that the Bird Of Prey was low in energy reserves?
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
I believe they were surprised at how poor the Klingon crystals were versus the ones the Federation used.
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
(Post 10589081)
I believe they were surprised at how poor the Klingon crystals were versus the ones the Federation used.
This movie is an enigma, wrapped in a riddle, surrounded in mystery. |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by MBoyd
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They knew Scotty would have to invent transparent aluminum for the make shift tank?
And all the sudden I feel like a loser. |
Re: Question about Star Trek IV
It's cheaper to set a movie in present day
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
Originally Posted by davidh777
(Post 10589164)
It's cheaper to set a movie in present day
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Re: Question about Star Trek IV
If I remember right, they needed a male and female whale and they knew from history records exactly where they could pick up what they needed, hence 1980s SF.
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