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BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Old 12-27-10, 10:34 AM
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
BACK-TO-BACK SEQUELS NEVER WORK.
LOTR: The Two Towers and Return of the King "work."

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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

While I have both trilogies in my collection, BTTF wins this one.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

This poll is not even a contest of any kind.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by TimeandTide
LOTR: The Two Towers and Return of the King "work."

You'll find that most people will view LOTR differently. They weren't really back to back sequels, so it doesn't quite count. This is more along the lines of Matrix sequels, BTTF, Pirates sequels, etc...
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

I was a HUGE Matrix fan when I seen the first film......then the sequels came out.


BTTF WINS!
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I still don't know why BTTF 3 gets so much hate. I always liked it, and it's a fitting way to end the series.
Agreed. I liked that Lloyd became the front and centre focus this time, Wilson's Buford 'Mad Dog' Tannen is my fave performance of his in the series and the train sequence at the end is an exciting action set-piece. I love how all three films are so different yet still ingeniously connected, just a great trilogy. The Matrix has nothing on it.

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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by TimeandTide
LOTR: The Two Towers and Return of the King "work."

OK once again: TTT and ROTK were not back-to-back sequels, but part of one movie filmed at one time, broken up into thirds. There's a really big difference between those movies and BttF, Matrix or Pirates sequels.

And if you still wanna split hairs, both TTT and ROTK pale in quality to FOTR. They gave Jackson carte blanche to fashion parts 2 and 3 however he wanted, and instead of the lean, elegant, exciting 1st installment he came up with two bloated, indulgent, CGI-overloaded borefests. But if you wanna continue that discussion we can do it elsewhere.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Seriously, who voted for the Matrix sequels? I do own the Matrix sequels because a co worker asked me if I wanted the DVDs. He was literary going to put them in the office shredder just for kicks. BTW, I do get what they were trying to convey in the sequels but the execution was horrible.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by foofighters7
easily BTTF... The Matrix had the ability to be a fantastic trilogy, instead it sunk itself.
I think The Matrix could've been a good duology but that they just didn't have enough story to justify a trilogy. Because, IMO, the sequels had a single movie's worth of plot stretched very thinly, so instead of one good sequel we got two mediocre ones.

(It makes me wonder if there is a fan edit out there that creates one movie out of the two sequels and cuts out all the worthless scenes.)
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Bttf
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by dhmac
I think The Matrix could've been a good duology but that they just didn't have enough story to justify a trilogy. Because, IMO, the sequels had a single movie's worth of plot stretched very thinly, so instead of one good sequel we got two mediocre ones.

(It makes me wonder if there is a fan edit out there that creates one movie out of the two sequels and cuts out all the worthless scenes.)
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I still don't know why BTTF 3 gets so much hate. I always liked it, and it's a fitting way to end the series.
I feel the same way. In fact, I find it to be the most fun of the three.

But I have a love/hate feeling for BTTF 2. It has individual moments I enjoy but it feels like they shot all the future stuff before they even had a script ready whereas the alternate 1985 seuence and the revisit to 1955 are when it becomes coherent.

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
OK once again: TTT and ROTK were not back-to-back sequels, but part of one movie filmed at one time, broken up into thirds. There's a really big difference between those movies and BttF, Matrix or Pirates sequels.
+1

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
And if you still wanna split hairs, both TTT and ROTK pale in quality to FOTR. They gave Jackson carte blanche to fashion parts 2 and 3 however he wanted, and instead of the lean, elegant, exciting 1st installment he came up with two bloated, indulgent, CGI-overloaded borefests. But if you wanna continue that discussion we can do it elsewhere.
+1 sans the "borefests" part. Although I was definitely bored at times, there was still some entertainment to be found in TTT and ROTK.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
Highway chase didn't age well, the playground sequence was terrible when I first saw it and still is.
Those scenes sure looked damn good in the theater.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

BTTF definitely. I recall the Matrix sequels very quickly became jokes of themselves once Revolutions was released, whereas the BTTF sequels are still viewed as fun movies, even though pt 3 is, as one poster pointed out, a paint-by-the-numbers western.

My problem with the Matrix series as a whole was all the philosophical BS that was thrown at us. It wasn't too bad in the first movie, but by the time the 2nd and 3rd ones came around, it got pretty annoying.

Another problem was the execution of the story was terrible. The 1st one was fine as a introduction into the universe the Matrix was in and worked good as the first third of the trilogy (if it was indeed intended to be a trilogy from the get go as the Wachowskis claim), but we were never given a 2/3 of the trilogy. Reloaded and Revolutions was the last third split into two parts. We were never given an actual segway between Neo coming out of the Matrix and becoming "The One"* and the final battle between the machines and humans.

*I personally thought Neo becoming The One was the most absurd part of the first film. He's The One because he believes he's The One?
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
The universal LOATHING BTTF2 received when it first came out cannot even be charted.
Who pissed in your cheerios?
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Were the BTTF sequels the first ones that began pretty much at the exact moment that the previous movie ended?

Any others that do this? (I can't even remember if this applies to LOTR.)
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Who pissed in your cheerios?
Gale, Zemeckis, and Stanley Donen.
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Were the BTTF sequels the first ones that began pretty much at the exact moment that the previous movie ended?

Any others that do this? (I can't even remember if this applies to LOTR.)

Quantum of Solace.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Were the BTTF sequels the first ones that began pretty much at the exact moment that the previous movie ended?

Any others that do this? (I can't even remember if this applies to LOTR.)
I'm sure there are earlier examples, but Beneath the Planet of the Apes comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
The universal LOATHING BTTF2 received when it first came out cannot even be charted.
BTTF2 was not universally loathed upon release. The reviews were straight down the middle mixed, but the film was a huge hit and both times I saw it the audience clearly loved it. I distincly remember the reactions to the reveal of Old Hill Valley at the end. As this was before everyone had the Internet many had no idea that there were to be two sequels. It was quite a shock to a lot of people in that theatre.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Were the BTTF sequels the first ones that began pretty much at the exact moment that the previous movie ended?

Any others that do this? (I can't even remember if this applies to LOTR.)
Halloween II
Old 12-28-10, 09:54 AM
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Were the BTTF sequels the first ones that began pretty much at the exact moment that the previous movie ended?

Any others that do this? (I can't even remember if this applies to LOTR.)
Flash Gordon, Commander Cody, etc.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

I may need to see BTTF 2 and 3 again, but right off the bat they are better than the Matrix sequels in terms of maintaining the momentum of their predecessors.

But that's not to say that they are better than the original. BTTF 2's best moments were when they went back to 1955, and Marty's introduction to the future (from what I remember). The idiotic scenes where Michael J. Fox plays every member of his family for no reason just drag the film to a halt.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

I'm kinda biased as the BTTF trilogy is "my" trilogy.

But I think its rather telling that I liked "The Matrix", but saw no real need for the story to continue.
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Re: BTTF II and III vs The Matrix II and III and their place in pop culture

I own the Back to the Future Trilogy on Blu, which I bought on release day, whereas I'm waiting for the Matrix trilogy to go down to $30 before I buy it, so that means the BTTF sequels win in my book.

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