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Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Old 12-23-10, 08:36 AM
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by JumpCutz
To answer OP's question...no.

I also happen to think the 2nd half of FMJ is just as good as the first.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

The answer is no, and the second half of FMJ is indeed inferior to the first brilliant half.

And yes he did a Geico ad recently, and I thought it was pretty damn funny

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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Do we blame Matthew Modine for all the shitty movies he's been in over the years?
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

That Geico commercial is so bad...so so bad. And if you think things like "mamby pamby land" or "jackwagon" are funny, then what else do you find hilarious, Sesame Street?
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Cookie Monster and Elmo are the absolute funniest creations ever.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
That Geico commercial is so bad...so so bad. And if you think things like "mamby pamby land" or "jackwagon" are funny, then what else do you find hilarious, Sesame Street?
They had to make it clean or otherwise it would sound like: Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

No. No, they do not.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Yeah, the moment he wasn't in the film, it started to suck. So no to this question.
Thanks for reading my post.

Originally Posted by UAIOE
I see the GEICO commercial and I'm sad because I know he's "holding back".

I wish he could do these other things uncensored because that stuff in FMJ is hilarious. I know its pretty realistic, but its still funny the stuff he yells at the guys.
This is the biggest problem. The advertisers and the people on Mail Call seem to want the "Sgt Hartman" persona but they don't want the full 100% Hartman. So he's always shouting but there's no profanity, he's always holding back. It desecrates the role.

Also, to those saying he is "just trying to have a career": He has had many roles where he doesn't play the Drill Instructor character. He has a very fine career: Seven, Leaving Las Vegas, Switchback, Texas Chainsaw remake, etc.

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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
That Geico commercial is so bad...so so bad. And if you think things like "mamby pamby land" or "jackwagon" are funny, then what else do you find hilarious, Sesame Street?
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Dreadfully unfunny commercial.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
People always rag on the second half of FMJ but the sniper sequence is the best part of the movie, imo.
I agree, I like the second and third acts better.

But no there's nothing he could do to ruin his scenes or the film.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
I agree with all the no's. On a related note, I've always come away impressed in roles where Ermey does not play a military figure...he's a great actor.
I agree. I liked his role in Willard. A movie that wasn't all that bad, and Lee did a great job with the role of Willard's boss.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

The first half was better, but the second half was good too.

Here's a lot of trivia from IMDB, in spoilers due to it's length:

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Anthony Michael Hall was originally set to play Pvt. Joker. Hall spent eight months preparing for the role but could not reach an agreement with Stanley Kubrick regarding the salary and the schedule. He was replaced by Matthew Modine.

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Former US Marine Corps Drill Instructor R. Lee Ermey was not originally hired to play Gunnery Sgt. Hartman but as a consultant for the Marine Corps boot camp portion of the film. He performed a demonstration on videotape in which he yelled obscene insults and abuse for 15 minutes without stopping, repeating himself or even flinching - despite being continuously pelted with tennis balls and oranges. Stanley Kubrick was so impressed that he cast Ermey as Hartman.

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Hartman is never seen without his hat.

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Stanley Kubrick hired Tim Colceri to play the Drill Instructor Gunnery Sgt. Hartman after discarding his original idea of casting Bill McKinney in the role. Colceri never got to play the role, as Kubrick decided to use former D.I. R. Lee Ermey, who had been hired as a technical adviser, instead. Colceri was bitter but accepted Kubrick's consolation prize of a small role as a helicopter door-gunner.

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According to director John Boorman, Stanley Kubrick wanted to cast Bill McKinney in the role of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman. However, Kubrick was so unsettled after viewing McKinney's performance in Deliverance (1972) that he declined to meet with him, saying he was simply too frightened at the idea of being in McKinney's presence.

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Stanley Kubrick was well known for having a very small crew on set. On one occasion, after the electrician finished lighting a set, Kubrick told him, "Okay, this is how I want the scene lit and I'm not going to change it." Kubrick then sent the man to fix some wiring in his house.

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'Vincent D'Onofrio (I)' gained 70 pounds for his role as Pvt. Pyle, breaking Robert De Niro's movie weight-gain record (60 pounds) for Raging Bull (1980). It took him seven months to put the weight on and nine months to take it off with physical training.

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Michael Herr, a very close friend of Stanley Kubrick, helped write much of the screenplay, particularly the part set in Vietnam. His contributions to the script are based largely on his own experiences as a reporter covering the war. Like Joker and Rafterman he was essentially freelance and allowed to travel anywhere in the country. Additionally, the scene where Joker and Rafterman watch the crazed gunner in the chopper machine-gun civilians is taken directly from "Dispatches", Herr's memoir of his experiences.

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R. Lee Ermey was involved in a jeep accident during the making of the movie. At 1:00 a.m. one night he skidded off the road, breaking all the ribs on his left side. He refused to pass out, and kept flashing his car lights until a motorist stopped. In some scenes you'll notice that he does not move his left arm at all.

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Stanley Kubrick's frequent cinematographer John Alcott was approached to shoot the movie but turned it down, instead focusing on US-based projects, and Alcott's focus puller Douglas Milsome took over his duties. Filming took about six months and was shut down for 20 weeks from June 1985 to September 1986. Alcott died of a heart attack at end of July 1986.

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Some scenes of the ruined city of Hue were shot at a dockyard on the Isle of Dogs, London, that was scheduled for demolition. The ruins of Hue in the sniper and final nighttime scenes were shot at the Beckton Gasworks in London's East End, which was also slated for demolition. In some shots there is a rock in the background that looks very much like the monolith from Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). Kubrick said it wasn't intentional, but only noticed while watching the rushes. Beckton Gas Works was used a year before for the movie Biggles: Adventures in Time (1986).

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Mickey Mouse is referred to at the end of both segments: when Hartmann enters the head to confront Joker and Pyle, he cries "What is this Mickey Mouse shit?" ("Mickey Mouse" was GI slang for something - or someone - that was petty, stupid and senseless); and Joker and company sing the theme from the Mickey Mouse Club as they march through the burning city. A third Mickey Mouse reference is in the press room: a Mickey Mouse figure can be seen near the window behind Pvt. Joker.

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Most actors auditioned for their roles by submitting videotapes of themselves performing a scene in Vietnam. Stanley Kubrick and the studio placed ads throughout the US for young aspiring actors to send in audition tapes for the film.

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R. Lee Ermey personally supervised the recreation of the Parris Island set.

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Much, if not all, of R. Lee Ermey's dialogue during the Parris Island sequence was improvised. While filming the opening scene, where he disciplines Pvt. Cowboy, he says Cowboy is the type of guy who would have sex with another guy "and not even have the goddamned common courtesy to give him a reach-around". Stanley Kubrick immediately yelled cut and went over to Ermey and asked, "What the hell is a reach-around?" Ermey politely explained what it meant. Kubrick laughed and re-shot the scene, telling Ermey to keep the line.

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The videotape demonstration was not the only factor which got R. Lee Ermey the role as the drill instructor. Ermey went to Stanley Kubrick and asked for the part, as the actors on the set were, in his opinion, not up to snuff. When Kubrick declined, Ermey barked an order for Kubrick to stand up when he was spoken to, and the director instinctively obeyed. That sealed the matter, and Ermey won the part as Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann.

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To create a realistic effect during Vietnam battle scenes, DP Douglas Milsome experimented with a camera with a shutter thrown off sync. This effect was reused in another war movie, Saving Private Ryan (1998).

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R. Lee Ermey hardly blinks at all in any scene.

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The inscription "I Am Become Death" is written on Animal Mother's helmet. This is a quotation from the Bhagavad-Gita, spoken by J. Robert Oppenheimer after the explosion of the first atomic bomb at Alamogordo.

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Toward the end of the movie, when "Cowboy" uses the radio to request tank support, the voice of Murphy, to whom he is speaking, is probably none other than Stanley Kubrick.

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Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubrick makes a cameo appearance during a scene in Vietnam where Joker and Rafterman encounter a mass open grave. She can be seen wielding a motion picture camera, shooting into the open grave for a few moments.

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Director Trademark: [Stanley Kubrick] [faces] Private Pyle during the scene when all Marines are being pumped up to kill, and when he is in the head.

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Gustav Hasford began working on "The Short Timers" (the book on which this film is based) while serving in Vietnam, and based many of the characters (and names) on soldiers he served with.

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Mike Allred tried out for the lead role in this film, but was turned down.

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The entire film was shot in England (Pinewood Studios and Bassingbourn Barracks). Footage of an actual graduation ceremony at Parris Island was used in the film, with an insert from England added to it. For the final battle scenes set in Hue, Kubrick was able to use the abandoned gasworks town of Beckton on the River Thames. Researchers painstakingly went through dozens of shots of the real Hue in order to make sure Beckton looked authentic, and palm trees were brought into the area to create a tropical effect.

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When telling the recruits about Christmas services, Sgt Hartmann calls the clergyman "Chaplain Charlie". In Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange (1971) Alex refers to the prison chaplain as the "prison Charlie". "Charlie" is cockney rhyming slang for "chaplain" or "priest".

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In several of the Vietnam scenes a Red Ryder B.B. gun can be seen in the squad leaders pack, and in the scene where "Vietnam: The Movie" is being filmed he is holding it in his hand as the camera crew goes by.

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Except for the title cards "A Stanley Kubrick Film" and "Full Metal Jacket", there are no opening credits.

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The siren heard at the Da Nang base during the Tet Offensive is the same as heard at Burpelson AFB in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964).

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Director Trademark: [Stanley Kubrick] [zoom] The opening shot of the scene by the open mass grave

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The only shot that actually shows Parris Island is when the platoon graduates and another shot of video is imported into the movie showing the graduation location on Parris Island by First Battalion.

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Advertisements for this film were censored in some parts of Canada due to the tagline "In Vietnam the wind doesn't blow, it sucks." At that time, Canadian censors had not yet decided whether the phrase "it sucks" (or "this sucks") was obscene.

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To make Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann's performance and the recruits' reactions as convincing as possible, Matthew Modine, 'Vincent D'Onofrio (I)', and the other actors playing recruits never met R. Lee Ermey prior to filming. Stanley Kubrick also saw to it that Ermey didn't fraternize with the actors between takes.

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According to his shirt on Parris Island, Pvt. Joker's real name is J.T. Davis.

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The "Abigail Mead" who did the music was actually Vivian Kubrick. According to her, the name was based on Abbott's Mead, the mansion where the Kubricks lived from 1965 to 1979. It was located near to MGM's Borehamwood studio.

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The term "full metal jacket" refers to the type of small arms ammunition used in warfare, as heard in Private Pyle's famous line spoken on the toilet, "7.62 millimeter, full... metal... jacket." Full metal jacket ammunition has a copper coating covering the lead core of its projectile.

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One of the scenes cut from the movie was a scene that showed a group of soldiers playing soccer. The scene was cut because a shot revealed they were not using a soccer ball, but a human head.

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Another cut scene involved a sex scene between Pvt. Joker and the Vietnamese prostitute. According to the actress, Stanley Kubrick cut the scene because it detracted from the cold mood of the film.

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In the first part of the movie, in the sequences inside the barracks during the drill, a special lens was designed to keep every single soldier in focus. Stanley Kubrick intended that no one was special and they all had the same treatment.

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Kubrick shot a scene in the Norfolk Broads where a Westland "Wessex" helicopter (flown by a stunt pilot) was required to fly low down along a canal (the area doubling for paddy fields) while someone fired a heavy machine gun out of the doors. The scene was shot at dawn and the local police were supposed to have warned fishermen but there was a communications problem. The many fishermen were awoken by a US helicopter apparently machine gunning their "positions". The Wessex itself was subsequently damaged during filming when the tail rotor got pushed into an obstacle while the copter was parked.

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The gasworks town of Beckton (used for the climatic battle in Hue) was also used in the film Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984). For that battle, 200 pine trees were imported from Spain and a few thousand tropical plastic plants were imported from Hong Kong. Incidentally, some of the buildings seen were designed by a French architect who also worked in Hue.

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Tony Spiradikis (Captain January) was deleted from the final print. In the screenplay, Captain January has the longest dialog scene - which was the first scene of the movie to be shot. Rehearsal was done in one week and filming of the scene was shot in 4 weeks. However, during post-production, Stanley Kubrick realized that the off-screen actor performing the scene with Spiradikis was completely out of timing and decided to scrap the scene. All of his scenes were subsequently cut out.

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Dorian Harewood visited a doctor twice while shooting his scenes fearing that his ear-drum was blown out.

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In the Sea Tiger editorial scene, an American flag was seen at the back of the Quonset hut. This was Gustav Hasford's nod to his fellow combat correspondent Bob Bayer who donated photographs and various items for set decoration of the movie. The flag seen was also his and it contains signatures of all First Marine combat correspondents of 1967-68.

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The banner at the wall in the conference room at the Da Nang base reads: "First to go last to know - We will defend to the death your right to be misinformed".

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During the training scenes there is a private with the name "Hunter S" on his back, a reference to journalist 'Hunter S Thompson'.

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Vincent D'Onofrio, Matthew Modine, and Arliss Howard all went on to appear in films by Oliver Stone. Stone's film 'Platoon' won best picture the year 'Full Metal Jacket was released and thus overshadowed the project.

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The 7.62mm full metal jacket round that Pvt. Pyle refers to was the standard infantry round leading up to the Vietnam War. It was used in the M-14 infantry rifle that was designed during WWII and manufactured up until the Vietnam war era. Although the M-14 was used in the Vietnam War the M-16 had replaced it as the standard rifle. The M-16 uses a 5.56mm round.

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Vincent D'Onofrio tore ligaments in his knee on the obstacle course, due to the extra weight he put on.

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Stanley Kubrick had nothing but praise for R. Lee Ermey's skills as a performer. Kubrick originally was going to write dialogue for Ermey's character himself, but he became so impressed with what Ermey improvised, that he decided it wasn't necessary. He just let him ad-lib, something practically unheard of for a Stanley Kubrick film. Ermey's performances were so faultless that Kubrick only needed 2-3 takes to get his scenes filmed, also extremely rare for a Kubrick film.

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R. Lee Ermey actually slapped Vincent D'Onofrio in the scene where he knocks his hat off. It was D'Onofrio's idea. Unfortunately for him, he forgot about Kubrick's perfectionism. He had to endure take after take of real slaps.

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The cast ate actual Vietnam War era military rations in the scene when the patrol is seen eating.

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Gunnery Sgt. Hartman's line during his introduction to the platoon: "Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy! You don't look like a steer, so that narrows it down!" mimics that used five years earlier by Louis Gossett Jr. as Gunnery Sgt. Emil Foley in An Officer and a Gentleman (1982): "Only two things come out of Oklahoma. Steers and queers. Which one are you, boy? I don't see no horns. You must be a queer."

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All the out door scenes during basic training were filmed at Bassingbourne barracks in Cambridgeshire. In WWII this was an 8th Airforce bomber base, home to the 91st Bomber Group. This was the Bomb Group that the Memphis Belle belonged to and the base is where all 25 of her missions were flown from. (Matthew Modine starred in the movie Memphis Belle (1990) as the pilot of the plane on its final mission.)

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According to a 1988 interview in 'Playboy' magazine, Bruce Willis was offered a lead role but was forced to turn it down because filming was about to start on the first 6 episodes of "Moonlighting" (1985).

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The Vietnam sequences of the film were shot first, the Parris Island scenes second. The graduation of the recruits was the last scene shot.

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Val Kilmer auditioned for the part of Pvt. Joker. According to Matthew Modine, Kilmer confronted Modine in a restaurant and challenged Modine to a fight because he believed that Modine had stolen the part from him. But Modine was not even aware of the film at the time. Modine later sent Kubrick footage from Vision Quest (1985) and won the part.

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Lines from the scene in which Private Joker (Matthew Modine) and Private Rafterman (Kevyn Major Howard) are approached by the Da Nang Hooker (Papillon Soo) were sampled in 2 Live Crew's 1989 hit "Me So Horny" on the album 'As Nasty As They Wanna Be'. The exchange between Joker and the hooker - "What do we get for ten dollars? / Every t'ing you want. / Everything? / Every t'ing." - is used at the very beginning of the song. While the "Me so horny. Me love you long time" sample is used in the chorus of the song, as well as throughout. If you listen carefully to the samples at the very beginning and end of the song, you can hear Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'", which plays under the original scene in the movie. The song also contains a sample from Which Way Is Up? (1977).

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According to an interview with Vincent D'Onofrio, the production schedule for the film was so drawn-out that lead actor Matthew Modine got married, conceived a child with his wife, the child was born, and then turned 1 year old...all during the course of filming.



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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
That Geico commercial is so bad...so so bad. And if you think things like "mamby pamby land" or "jackwagon" are funny, then what else do you find hilarious, Sesame Street?
Say what you want about Ermey, Kubrick or the posters in this thread, but you leave Sesame Street the hell alone!

Originally Posted by Mabuse
This is the biggest problem. The advertisers and the people on Mail Call seem to want the "Sgt Hartman" persona but they don't want the full 100% Hartman. So he's always shouting but there's no profanity, he's always holding back. It desecrates the role.
"Desecrates" seems fairly hyperbolic. (The judges would have accepted, "detracts from the role.") Anyway, we often see actors and comedians known for "mature" content appear in places where they tone it down. It's nothing new, or unique to Ermey.

I do think there's far greater allowance for someone going from adult-oriented to family-friendly than vice versa. Remember the controversy when Steve from Blue's Clues appeared on Homicide: Life on the Street? Yet, I've seen Mariska Hargitay, Christopher Meloni, Ice-T and Richard Belzer all appear in Law & Order: Special Victims Unit-themed skits on Sesame Street with nary a peep from anyone. (The skits were shot on the SVU police station set, with the actors in their SVU wardrobe and as I recall at least one of them even mimicked the L&O cue card.)
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

He was pretty good in Mississippi Burning, even though he was a dick.
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I love that Geico commercial.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Isn't he also Greg House's dad on "House"?
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Trout
He was pretty good in Mississippi Burning, even though he was a dick.
And he was pretty good as a detective/sheriff in Se7en and Switchback, respectively as well as his portrayal of the Base Commander in Body Snatchers.

The guy does a good job in most of his work and I don't see how any of his ancillary stuff hurts FMJ.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Mabuse
By "antics" I'm refering to his use of the drill instructor character/persona over the last 15+ years. He's had two military hardware shows on the History Channel, he's played the green army men in Toy Story, he did a parody of the role in The Frighteners, and most recently (and egregiously) he did a Gaico insurance ad on television.

Now I know the guy was a genuine Marine DI, and I know the insults that he spews came, at least partly, from his own repartee, but what he and Stanley Kubrick created together was real art; an incredible, inscrutable, and unforgetable character. Doing it over and over on TV devalues the role and reduces the impact of the film. Someone watching the film for the first time should not say "Hey it's the guy from the Gaico ads!"

Discuss.
I just saw his pistachio nuts commercial, and I'm going to say that the impact of his performance in FMJ has been diminished --or (I should say) will be diminished for anyone seeing the movie for the first time.

Even though, there had been notable DI characters before, the FMJ performance was really jarring with its ferocity. That Ermey has pretty much made a career off turning that into a media cliche will lessen the impact of that part of FMJ for anyone seeing the movie now for the first time.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Mabuse
This is the biggest problem. The advertisers and the people on Mail Call seem to want the "Sgt Hartman" persona but they don't want the full 100% Hartman. So he's always shouting but there's no profanity, he's always holding back. It desecrates the role.
I'll agree with this, to a point.

I think the intensity of his DI in FMJ stands on its own, and it should be used as a point of reference as to how to do DI roles.

As sad a I get he's holding back, nothing short of a complete mockery of DI's everywhere is going to ruin the role.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Should every actor follow the example of Margaret Hamilton, who turned down lots of offers to play the Wicked Witch of the West? I think that if someone hits it out of the park in one role, and becomes associated in the public's mind with that role, the actor should have the option to continue to bank on it.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Nope, does not undermine the integrity of that role at all. Guy has to make a living, more power to him.

The only thing that disappoints is that no one mentions about his actual "debut" as a drill instructor in the movie Boys in Company C. That role makes him seem like a pussy cat in FMJ It's not a big part, but that part alone is why I thought he was given the role for FMJ. Suprises me here hearing that he was not originally considered for his role in FMJ, did not realize that.
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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

I've never seen the film but please tell me it's not as generic as it looks....

ALSO...WTF?! Golden Harvest?! Wow.....

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Re: Do R. Lee Ermey's "antics" undermine the integrity of Full Metal Jacket?

Originally Posted by Count Dooku
I just saw his pistachio nuts commercial, and I'm going to say that the impact of his performance in FMJ has been diminished --or (I should say) will be diminished for anyone seeing the movie for the first time.
Isn't the opposite allowable, though? That someone will be even more affected hearing the unfiltered version of this persona in FMJ after only being aware of it in the more family-friendly version? Think, if you will, of how the generation that grew up watching Full House responded to finding out about Bob Saget's stand-up material.

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