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clappj 08-13-10 08:54 AM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 10319706)
I LOVED THIS FILM.

I can't tell you how fucking awesome it was. It was fucking awesome, that's how awesome it was.

It's official...

Solid Snake PAC gives The Expendables two fucks up!

tylergfoster 08-13-10 09:24 AM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by stingermck (Post 10319878)
I just wanted to see a bunch of guys shoot, stab, punch, kick, and blow shit up. So I walked away happy.

I might have liked to see that too, but I saw a bunch of frenetic editing and digital explosions.

Solid Snake 08-13-10 09:55 AM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
As a film in general...it's ok. As an action film it's pretty good. Again CGI and editing work is the big deal w/ me. Maybe it's cuz my influences on squibs tend to be more RR like than what's normally used but...does it cost a lot to have an effects guy there squibbing the shit out of it? What was the budget on this thing? CGI blood never pleases me in action films. The editing in Rambo was also not this crazy. My main 2 issues.

RocShemp 08-13-10 10:31 AM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10319872)
I think emotion hits harder if you can see it in someone's eyes, and a well-timed look up into the mirror at Stallone could have been devastating.

I get what you mean but I think Stallone did right by leaving his reaction shot for after Rourke was done talking rather than during the soliloquy.


Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10319872)
I also post on the CHUD forums, where everyone I thought was going to be at least a bit let down came out raving about it.

Stay away from the Blu-ray.com movie forum. I think I'm the only one there that doesn't think it was a masterpiece of action cinema.

tylergfoster 08-13-10 10:37 AM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 10320030)
As a film in general...it's ok. As an action film it's pretty good. Again CGI and editing work is the big deal w/ me. Maybe it's cuz my influences on squibs tend to be more RR like than what's normally used but...does it cost a lot to have an effects guy there squibbing the shit out of it? What was the budget on this thing? CGI blood never pleases me in action films. The editing in Rambo was also not this crazy. My main 2 issues.

There are no squibs because when Stallone started he was planning on making a PG-13, but then he started to let the fans dictate what he did, and CG'd it up to an R.

RocShemp 08-13-10 10:49 AM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10320119)
There are no squibs because when Stallone started he was planning on making a PG-13, but then he started to let the fans dictate what he did, and CG'd it up to an R.

Yup. That was painfully obvious. He should have either stuck to his intended PG-13 or gone all out to make it R. Doing it halfway was a big mistake.

Solid Snake 08-13-10 12:09 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
Rambo had the same issue for the most part. on the squibs I mean../.

tylergfoster 08-13-10 12:44 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 10320295)
Rambo had the same issue for the most part. on the squibs I mean../.

Well, I've only seen it once, but my memory was that Rambo combined CG and physical effects (like fake limbs). Also, as I wrote in my review, I imagine that was always the plan for Rambo and the team had a head start, whereas this was a post-production decision, and was done in a rush.

Here's a post I made on the CHUD forums that I'm reposting here for the sake of discussion (some mild spoilers):


Originally Posted by Tyler Foster
Having thought about it, i came to the conclusion that what I want out of action in an action movie is to feel it, and the reason the CG bothered me so much is because it robs me of the sensation that something is really happening. My favorite uses of CG usually involve a physical element that reacts to the CG. I remember watching a making-of on The Lost World: Jurassic Park and there's that scene at the end where the T-Rex slams a bus. Quality of the movie itself aside, there's B-roll of this bus that is specially designed to crumple inward, and it boggled my mind a little.

Anyway, in films like Universal Soldier: Regeneration and Undisputed II you can feel the violence. People hit each other. The cutting was still distracting but I liked the Lundgren/Li fight because I could tell the two were actually interacting with each other. Even if squibs are fake, it still gives you that sensation, you can tell something is physically happening, other than a dude falling down. And the dispatching of Gary Daniels is one of the best moments in the movie. That shit fucking hurts. You feel it. You go "OHHH!" when you see it because it's there and it's happening.

Also, I don't understand the glee that people get from seeing something just happen. Terry Crews explains how his gun works, and then you see him using it. Not only do I know what it does from his explanation, I even know what it's going to look like, because I saw Rambo and I know what it looks like when Stallone liquifies baddies in a movie. The part I liked was seeing the POV shot from Stone Cold looking down the hallway in disbelief. That was kind of funny. That added something else to it, other than the movie fulfilling a promise it made to me in what I felt was an unoriginal and uninteresting way.

Last but not least, I also forgot to mention in my review (I really need to make a Notepad file of bullet points and make sure I incorporate all of them), I didn't like the way all the fights were intercut during the finale. How can the Stallone/Austin fight build if I keep having to switch gears? I guess they don't have to be totally complete, but he'd cut back and forth for around a minute, then cut to something else.

I also thought the gags were pretty awful. Not cheesy-fun awful, just awful.

Statham: (translates something in Spanish)
Stallone: What are you, Zorro?

Jesus.


Mountain Biker 08-13-10 01:03 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
Loved it -best movie of the summer hands down...the action simply OWNED.

Only disappointment would be the CGI blood, but whatever...

Bring on the sequel!

Bill Gibron 08-13-10 01:12 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
F*ck sequel - I want a FRANCHISE!

Prediction for one of the films - Arnold gets his old team back together, including one JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMMAGE - and they take on the EXPENDABLES in a knock down, drag out, dick swinging bullet ballet extravaganza. Gore ensues!

Pencil my ass in!

:)

BILL

Dr. DVD 08-13-10 01:20 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Bill Gibron (Post 10320426)
F*ck sequel - I want a FRANCHISE!

Prediction for one of the films - Arnold gets his old team back together, including one JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMMAGE - and they take on the EXPENDABLES in a knock down, drag out, dick swinging bullet ballet extravaganza. Gore ensues!

Pencil my ass in!

:)

BILL


Me too! :D

Like I said last night, I don't get all of the hate heaped on this movie by others. Granted, I can see mainstream critics hating it as this is precisely the kind of movie they would bash in the 80s and many probably hoped would never surface again. But for fans of mid 80s to early 90s action, it delivers and then some.

LosingMyMind 08-13-10 01:43 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
Wow, this movie is going to be number 1 this weekend, isn't it? Awesome! Box office mojo poll:

What is your top choice to see this weekend (Aug. 13-15)?
38.8% The Expendables
21.3% Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
13.2% Inception
7.4% Eat Pray Love
7.4% No interest this weekend.
4.1% The Other Guys
3.4% Salt
2.0% Other
1.1% Despicable Me
0.9% Step Up 3D
0.5% Dinner for Schmucks
1,220 users polled.

tylergfoster 08-13-10 01:52 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 10320443)
But for fans of mid 80s to early 90s action, it delivers and then some.

I keep hearing this and I don't get it. I don't think the filmmaking is at all similar to what this movie would have been like in the '80s. It's not at all like Extreme Prejudice, for example.

Please tell me how this movie is like an '80s action movie besides 1) containing people who made action movies in the '80s 2) containing action and 3) containing bad jokes.

Eric D. 08-13-10 01:57 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 10320491)
Wow, this movie is going to be number 1 this weekend, isn't it? Awesome! Box office mojo poll:

What is your top choice to see this weekend (Aug. 13-15)?
38.8% The Expendables
21.3% Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
13.2% Inception
7.4% Eat Pray Love
7.4% No interest this weekend.
4.1% The Other Guys
3.4% Salt
2.0% Other
1.1% Despicable Me
0.9% Step Up 3D
0.5% Dinner for Schmucks
1,220 users polled.

That only accounts for 1, 220 people. I wouldn't give it much weight.

LosingMyMind 08-13-10 01:59 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Eric D. (Post 10320529)
That only accounts for 1, 220 people. I wouldn't give it much weight.

The polls have generally been correct, with around 1,200 people. I'm guessing it will hold true with this as well.

RocShemp 08-13-10 02:06 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10320514)
I keep hearing this and I don't get it. I don't think the filmmaking is at all similar to what this movie would have been like in the '80s. It's not at all like Extreme Prejudice, for example.

Please tell me how this movie is like an '80s action movie besides 1) containing people who made action movies in the '80s 2) containing action and 3) containing bad jokes.

I think if Stallone were to fix the editing (as in actually letting shots play out) this'd feel closer to the spirit of 80's movies. I can see a franchise here but it's because of the potential this genre revival concept has.

Basically, I want an 80's cut of this movie and a sequel that lives up to the promise of this concept. And I fully endorse the idea of Trench's crew going up against Ross' crew. Especially if both groups have to team up at the end for a 40 minute action extravaganza.

Only, this time don't feed the editor a steady diet of pop rocks and jolt cola.

Gunde 08-13-10 02:06 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
droidguy1119, you just got really old :)
Not the movie's fault.

tylergfoster 08-13-10 02:28 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Gunde (Post 10320553)
droidguy1119, you just got really old :)
Not the movie's fault.

Well, I know your post is a joke, but I tried to make sure I came at it with complaints about it as an action movie. Too much plot, not enough action. Action doesn't hit hard and was clearly pre-neutered and then faked back up. It's not a revival of '80s classics or '90s genre vets like it claimed to be. I never said it felt outdated, was cheesy, had no depth, because those things are a given.

I still say everyone should watch Universal Solider: Regeneration and consider which one is better.

Rypro 525 08-13-10 04:15 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
If you all are right about Sly originally wanting a pg-13 and ratcheting up the blood and gore in post, i wonder if the church scene was shot towards the end when he had changed his mind to go for an R, as thats really the only scene with swearing

tylergfoster 08-13-10 04:23 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Rypro 525 (Post 10320752)
If you all are right about Sly originally wanting a pg-13 and ratcheting up the blood and gore in post, i wonder if the church scene was shot towards the end when he had changed his mind to go for an R, as thats really the only scene with swearing

No, my guess is that almost every action or horror movie that shoots for a PG-13 these days still has a few bits and bobs for the DVD. I bet the basketball beatdown (which had real on-set blood makeup) and the few bits of swearing were the kind of material Sly was gonna stick on an uncut release.

Rypro 525 08-13-10 04:34 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
I still haven't seen the latest universal soldier or undisputed 3 which i hear def bring the violence (and not cgi blood and gore) either. right?

tylergfoster 08-13-10 04:55 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Rypro 525 (Post 10320782)
I still haven't seen the latest universal soldier or undisputed 3 which i hear def bring the violence (and not cgi blood and gore) either. right?

I wasn't blown away with Undisputed III like most people were. Undisputed II is great, though, and I've already mentioned Universal Soldier: Regeneration. All three are true R-rated movies, with none of this half-assed computer crap.

Ash Ketchum 08-13-10 04:59 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
After all this build-up, I found it a huge letdown. It all felt by the numbers to me. The script needed a lot of work. The motivations weren't there. The basic plot was weak. They could have found something more relevant. A whole movie about fighting Somali pirates would have been better than just an opening sequence. And there should have been some humor in there, a funny line or three. I never got a real sense of camaraderie from the characters. And the action scenes were all shot way too close and cut way too quick. You never see anything the way you should.

Of the entire cast, Jason Statham came off the best. Next time he should work alone. Paging CRANK 3-D!!!

Supermallet 08-13-10 05:02 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 
Last night when I made my choice in the poll I gave it a 2.5. But after writing my review and mulling it over, I dropped it down to a 2. I can't see what people are finding to enjoy in this movie. Other than Rourke, the rest was painful.

tylergfoster 08-13-10 05:19 PM

Re: The Expendables (Stallone, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10320817)
Paging CRANK 3-D!!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabsoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutely.


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