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Old 07-22-10, 09:27 PM
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Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

In an interview he did with the Los Angeles Times, Sylvester Stallone talks about his new movie and how he hates the way hero movies of today, ruined things for heroes from the 80's to early 90's.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movi...es-batman.html

Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
by Matt McDaniel July 21, 2010.


Back in the 1980s, they were the biggest stars in Hollywood, both in terms of box-office receipts and bicep circumference. But the glory days of the brawny action heroes -- Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme, and the like -- eventually faded. In their place, a new breed of '90s star took over: younger, leaner, and nowhere near as macho. By decade's end, Keanu Reeves was a huge action star (shudder to think).

Where did it all go wrong? According to an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Sylvester Stallone puts the blame squarely on the caped shoulders of one comic book hero.

"It was the first 'Batman' movie," Stallone told the Times, in reference to the 1989 movie adaptation starring Michael Keaton as the Caped Crusader. He went on to say, "The action movies changed radically when it became possible to Velcro your muscles on," a clear dig at how the trim Keaton was encased in a sculpted Batsuit for the film. Stallone joked, "I wish I had thought of Velcro muscles myself... "I didn't have to go to the gym for all those years."

Stallone adds that the director Tim Burton's stylish take on the superhero story changed what audiences expected from an action flick: "It was the beginning of a new era. The visual took over. The special effects became more important than the single person. That was the beginning of the end."

It's ironic, then, that Stallone will be going to this year's San Diego Comic-Con -- the center for all things geeky -- to promote his upcoming movie, "The Expendables," which is a true throwback to the action hits of the '80s. In the film, Stallone (who also directed) leads a team of mercenaries to overthrow a corrupt South American dictator. It costars Jason Statham, Jet Li, Mickey Rourke, Terry Crews, and even Stallone's "Rocky IV" nemesis, Dolph Lundgren.

"The Expendables" is also notable for being the first time Stallone has appeared on-screen with fellow '80s icons Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis. Stallone told the Times that each of them had their own on-screen persona which made set them apart from one another: "Arnold was king of the one-liners. Bruce was witty and talkative... And I was pretty silent." He added that their differences made it impossible for him to see himself in his friend's signature roles. "Arnold was relentless, like this perfect machine. People asked if I could have played the Terminator. Are you kidding? Not a chance, I never could have played the Terminator."

As it happens, Bruce Willis will be at Comic-Con this weekend promoting his upcoming movie "Red," which also is an action flick about an aging team of experts. It stars Oscar-winners Morgan Freeman and Helen Mirren.

Stallone will preview "The Expendables" at Comic-Con on Thursday, and the movie will muscle its way into movie theaters on August 13.

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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

Hmm...kinda seems like he's joking a bit with that. But if he's not, I think he's going a little too far.

Let's not forget that most of those "buff" dudes were on the juice and for a brief (very brief) period.....A LOT of people thought they were natural so the comment about having to go to the gym for all those years is a little goofy.

I agree there are a ton of action flicks out there that are garbage but I always saw the decline with the buff dudes as taking a more realistic approach (not always).

That and the fact that most people nowadays know that it doesn't matter how big you are in a fight.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

" People asked if I could have played the Terminator. Are you kidding? Not a chance, I never could have played the Terminator."

Oh please. Any number of actors could have played that role. "I'll be back" That kind of cheesy dialogue and delivery could have been spewed by any garden variety B-movie actor.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

I put this in The Expendables thread...btw...
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Yeah, I'd have to see if he was joking or not because the fall of the 80's action film has it's roots in bad 90's versions, ala Daylight.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

I think more is to blame with Die Hard. Bruce Willis portrayed the everyman not just a brainless musclehead.
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Ahem...Dutch in Predator wasn't brainless. Nor was Rambo in First Blood. Rambo 2 and 3..well..he wasn't brainless but he didn't have a great script either but the action was badass.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I think more is to blame with Die Hard. Bruce Willis portrayed the everyman not just a brainless musclehead.
I agree with this in the sense that the films lacked the character development/moments that made the ones of the 80's memorable. It was more about the one-liners and the effects than making a good-enough story, at the very least, for the material.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

Maybe it was his bad movies that killed the 80's action heroes.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

Originally Posted by Jaymole
Maybe it was his bad movies that killed the 80's action heroes.



Nah, I doubt it.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

Stallone's making a mistake by assuming that because people stopped going to his movies, they stopped going to '80s style action movies. Speed, Under Seige, Broken Arrow, Face/Off, Executive Decision, etc. were all in the same mould as Commando and Rambo without a ton of special effects.
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Let's not forget that most of those "buff" dudes were on the juice and for a brief (very brief) period.....A LOT of people thought they were natural so the comment about having to go to the gym for all those years is a little goofy.
Well the only thing is that I am sure they were in the gym for hours AND taking steroids. I believe that even with the use of steroids, it would take a great deal of work and mental effort to obtain a body like Stallone, and much more effort like Arnold, as they were in the 80's. And even then, they had great genetics that accepted the steroids better than an average person would.

Hell, getting in as good shape as Stallone is today, would be hard to do even with steroids.... But I am sure he has mastered the whole HGH + Steroid formula to go along with his workouts and diet.
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I love Stallone. I can't wait for the Expendables.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

Originally Posted by Rival11
Let's not forget that most of those "buff" dudes were on the juice and for a brief (very brief) period.....A LOT of people thought they were natural so the comment about having to go to the gym for all those years is a little goofy.

I agree there are a ton of action flicks out there that are garbage but I always saw the decline with the buff dudes as taking a more realistic approach (not always).
If steroids is all it took took to get you in shape, we'd all be on steroids and gyms across the world would be bankrupt and rented out as office space.

Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
Stallone's making a mistake by assuming that because people stopped going to his movies, they stopped going to '80s style action movies. Speed, Under Seige, Broken Arrow, Face/Off, Executive Decision, etc. were all in the same mould as Commando and Rambo without a ton of special effects.
All the movies you just listed were of the 90's Bruce Willis style. 80's action had larger than life badasses. 90's action had everyman heroes placed in badass situations.

The only one that comes close is Speed but it quickly switches Keanu from being a crazy badass to an everyman caught in a badass situation.
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I think more is to blame with Die Hard. Bruce Willis portrayed the everyman not just a brainless musclehead.
Yup this is the movie that basically laid out the 90s template. Although it's really in cycles, i mean before the 80s muscleheads the heroes were Connery, Eastwood, Bronson which were not pumped up although they did have muscle. I dont think Stallone wants to say it's DH since Willis was in his movie.
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Nah, I doubt it.
That was in the 80's? Thought it was early 90's? I guess it would have sucked in either decade.
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Originally Posted by trespoochies
That was in the 80's? Thought it was early 90's? I guess it would have sucked in either decade.
Nope. That was the 90's.
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Nah, I doubt it.
so that was the stallone/stone movie

i remember i was kind of dozed off when i caught that and too lazy to switch the volume up so it was kind of chatter, Stallone is totally naked except in some sort of black ballhuggers doing slow stretches in a bedroom and looking off into varied direcitonns contemplating and pondering stuff, very oily bulging muscles.... and... uh oh yeah anyway the room is one of those really clean looking porn-style bedrooms with the curtains closed and a soft orange light coming through , the type that comes through pollution or smoke. Stone is in some other room talking to him with long legs, and it might be narration since stallone doesnt talk. Also James Woods pops up out of nowhere in some other scene, this is all intercut.
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Re: Stallone gives an interview about how terrible today's hero movies are

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Nah, I doubt it.
I rented this back in about '99 and considered paying for a missing tape, just so I could destroy the rental copy from existence. A truly dreadful movie, but I let it live.
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The only good action film of the 90s from Sly was Demotion Man...I think that's it.
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
Stallone's making a mistake by assuming that because people stopped going to his movies, they stopped going to '80s style action movies. Speed, Under Seige, Broken Arrow, Face/Off, Executive Decision, etc. were all in the same mould as Commando and Rambo without a ton of special effects.

I like Executive Decision a great deal, but it shouldn't be lumped in with the others. It is a suspense movie, not an action movie.
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Originally Posted by Boba Fett
I rented this back in about '99 and considered paying for a missing tape, just so I could destroy the rental copy from existence. A truly dreadful movie, but I let it live.
that was the specialist thing to do.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
The only good action film of the 90s from Sly was Demotion Man...I think that's it.
From the 90's, Cliffhanger was also good.
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I barely remember it...I don't think I liked it. I need to watch it now.
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