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Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoilers*

Old 11-17-09, 08:44 PM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

I'm still angry that the fat guy with the red beard didn't beat the old lady with both fists until she coughed up that fucking diamond.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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Has Buttmuncher always been this insane or is this just lately?
I don't know.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

It also bothers me that Fifth Officer Lowe isn't properly identified as the officer who goes back for survivors. All these years, I thought it was Second Officer Lightoller. And I even knew Lightoller wasn't in a lifeboat, but trying to survive on an overturned collapsable boat! Goes to show how much I pay attention.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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My friends and I call a double murder/suicide "Pulling a Murdoch."
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Old 11-18-09, 09:47 AM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

Titanic was based on a true story? Hrmph.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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My friends and I call a double murder/suicide "Pulling a Murdoch."

That is pure gold!!
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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My friends and I call a double murder/suicide "Pulling a Murdoch."
Just like those Columbine kids copied The Matrix, Chris Benoit copied Murdoch.
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Titanic (1997)

...oh, that Titanic!
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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I have seen Titanic a hand full of times and I have no idea who Officer William Murdoch is, who portrayed him in the movie, or even remember a murder/suicide scene in the flick.
He was one of the ship's officers helping to get people on the lifeboats and when the passengers started rushing for the boats, the officer pulled out his gun to try and control the situation and then shot a couple of people to the horror of those around him, and then put the gun to his head and shot himself.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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He was one of the ship's officers helping to get people on the lifeboats and when the passengers started rushing for the boats, the officer pulled out his gun to try and control the situation and then shot a couple of people to the horror of those around him, and then put the gun to his head and shot himself.
I don't remember that scene either. The only one I recall running around with a gun was Billy Zane. And he didn't play a ship's officer. Although who the hell knows, but I might have missed that when I went to the bathroom because of the film's length. (Normally I can sit through a three-hour-+ movie without a bathroom break, but there was something about TITANIC and LORD OF THE RINGS: RETURN OF THE KING that made me have to go to the bathroom.)

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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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I don't remember that scene either. The only one I recall running around with a gun was Billy Zane. And he didn't play a ship's officer. Although who the hell knows, but I might have missed that when I went to the bathroom because of the film's length. (Normally I can sit through a three-hour-+ movie without a bathroom break, but there was something about TITANIC and LORD OF THE RINGS: RETURN OF THE KING that made me have to go to the bathroom.)
I think it was all the water. (Not sure about ROTK though)
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Old 11-19-09, 06:34 AM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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I don't remember that scene either. The only one I recall running around with a gun was Billy Zane. And he didn't play a ship's officer.
Billy Zane's character in the movie offered said officer some money just so he could get a seat on one of the lifeboats.

I'm pretty sure someone else will remember the officer with the gun.

It's been a couple of years since I saw this movie, and I have the 3 hour director's cut of it!
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

I remember the scene, but did not know the officer's name. I always assumed it was a fictional embellishment of the story anyway.

However, now that people complaining about it have made me aware of Murdoch's name, I, too, will always refer to a double murder/suicide as "pulling a Murdoch."
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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I'm still angry that the fat guy with the red beard didn't beat the old lady with both fists until she coughed up that fucking diamond.
But Harry Knowles is still alive and he actually could sue James Cameron over his portrayal.
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Old 11-20-09, 08:32 AM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

This thread is hillarious. Is 26 years too late for me to mention that I resent the way The Right Stuff portrayed astronaut Gus Grissom?
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Any time I need to laugh, I just think of "pulling a Murdoch" and I'm there.
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Old 11-20-09, 12:12 PM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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This thread is hillarious. Is 26 years too late for me to mention that I resent the way The Right Stuff portrayed astronaut Gus Grissom?
And I'm resentful of the fact that William Petersen STOLE the name "Grissom" for his character on CSI. It's a damn disgrace I tells ya!!!
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Old 12-09-09, 09:27 PM
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Old 12-11-09, 09:13 AM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

Murdock is accused in the film of a lot more than just shooting two passengers and himself: he sank the damn Titanic with his flippant decision to "hard astarboard!"

His work wasn't through, because after he survived both the sinking and the gunshot blast to the face, he defected and became a German submarine captain, and sank the Britannic a few years later during WWI.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

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My friends and I call a German sub sinking an Allied ship, "Pulling a Murdoch."
Fixed.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

Instead of starting another thread about Titanic, I'll just post something here:

Several survivors of the sinking committed suicide later on: "Iceberg, right ahead!" shouted lookout Frederick Fleet. He killed himself years later (for reasons I have forgotten).

Another prominent survivor, 17-year old Jack Thayer, shot himself in the head in the 1940's after finding out his son was killed during WWII.

Not a suicide, but Archibald Gracie died due to complications from the sinking towards the tail-end of 1912.
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

Originally Posted by Buttmunker View Post
Instead of starting another thread about Titanic, I'll just post something here:

Several survivors of the sinking committed suicide later on: "Iceberg, right ahead!" shouted lookout Frederick Fleet. He killed himself years later (for reasons I have forgotten).
According to wikipedia:

When Fleet's wife died shortly after Christmas 1964, he became depressed and committed suicide by hanging two weeks later in January 1965. Many have said that in many ways, Fleet was also the last victim of Titanic. People who knew him said that he suffered from terrible guilt all his life because he had lived while so many perished. Out of 2,227 passengers and crew on Titanic, he was one of only 706 who survived.
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Old 12-11-09, 03:23 PM
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Re: Titanic (1997): Cameron's unfair depiction of 1st Officer William Murdoch *spoile

Fleet did live a full live then. He was in his 70s (or whatever age he was when Titanic sank + 53 years) when he killed himself.
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Fleet did live a full live then. He was in his 70s (or whatever age he was when Titanic sank + 53 years) when he killed himself.
At least he did the honorable thing and only take himself out, unlike that douchebag loser Murdoch.
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