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Groucho 04-04-11 09:27 AM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by DonnachaOne (Post 10708652)
It's pretty simple;
Spoiler:
Sean Fentress is dead, and now, so is Colter. When Colter is terminated in the real world (while in the source code), he hallucinates the "perfect rescue" and lives an imagined life with Christina.
Disagree.
Spoiler:
Not a hallucination, but a full-fledged alternate universe. Hence the scene with Goodwin getting her text message at the end.

But I agree with those who state that the movie should have ended earlier and been more ambiguous.
By the way, the title for this movie is terrible.

jdslater1 04-04-11 10:03 AM
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Jonathan Silverman!

I'm there.

wearetheborg 04-04-11 01:34 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by movielib (Post 10708916)
Both Lupoff and Heap were co-writers for the TV movie. It was directed by Jack Sholder (The Hidden). Total running time is 92 minutes (two hour TV movie minus commercials).

The TV film expanded the story and based it on a repeating day rather than a repeating hour, added some humor but still was mostly a Sci-Fi thriller. In my opinion it is far superior to Groundhog Day which I think is way overrated. It's one of my all-time favorite TV movies.

http://www.amazon.com/12-01-Helen-Sl...1891739&sr=1-1

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AQ2K8E8WL.jpg

Oh yeah, and I loved Source Code.

I love that TV movie!!
I saw it on tv, and was surprised to later learn it wasnt a theatrical film. Very good story. I enjoyed it more than groundhog day.

movielib 04-04-11 05:43 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 10709283)
Disagree.
Spoiler:
Not a hallucination, but a full-fledged alternate universe. Hence the scene with Goodwin getting her text message at the end.
I agree with you. That's what I thought.

Spoiler:
But I agree with those who state that the movie should have ended earlier and been more ambiguous.
Spoiler:
Sometimes ambiguous is good but I didn't want it in this film. I liked the ending. Still, people do have different opinions about the end, so maybe it is ambiguous. But I think you got it right.

By the way, the title for this movie is terrible.
Deja vu was taken.

Jon2 04-05-11 11:42 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by Wazootyman (Post 10683908)
...The final act seems glued on rather strange, just something disjointed about how we arrived there, which might end up leaving a weird taste in some mouths
Probably because it ends with a proverbial type of ending that so many here seem to have a problem with. I saw the movie with someone who expressed nearly the same opinion as yours about the ending.

I'm doubtful... mostly because almost from the get-go, aspects about the ending
Spoiler:
(even the very last shot with Colter and Christina at one point)
were telegraphed whenever the main character was jerked back to "reality," and even outside of that, when he had the conversion with the project's head honcho (about what was actually happening to him)... that said head honcho (unknowingly) dropped clues.

I had no problem with the ending (since I have found the other type to have been more prevalent for decades and therefore actually more cliched).

It tasted just fine to me. :hungry:

Jon2 04-06-11 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Seantn (Post 10708167)
My guess is
Spoiler:
he ceases to exist. Jake takes over his body, and Sean ends up being the only casualty from the train crash in that alternate reality. HOWEVER, he really did die in that train crash to begin with, Jake just happened to save everyone else in the alternate reality, so in a way, it's not some terrible thing. The guy dies just as he would have if Jake hadn't been involved, and he doesn't get saved by Jake. His family never knows that he's gone because Jake continues living in his body. HOWEVER -- this would lead to some very odd circumstances for Jake where he now has to take over this guy's life and pretend to know all of his family members and stuff. Could make for some sort of wacky comedy.

Sucks for the guy whose body it was, but it was 1 life in exchange for everyone else's in the alternate reality. That's how I interpreted it.
If one follows the theory
Spoiler:
set forth in the movie (however simply postulated in the movie) that alternate realities are created every time a decision or choice is made (and/or a random event with more than one consequence occurs), then Sean didn't die. He didn't die because didn't exist. The alternate reality that Jake created by stopping the explosion didn't exist before Jake created it, thereby making the Sean with Jake's mind the only Sean that existed in that reality. That reality didn't exist prior to Jake inhabiting Sean's body.

Jon2 04-06-11 12:25 AM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by DonnachaOne (Post 10708652)
It's pretty simple;
Spoiler:
Sean Fentress is dead, and now, so is Colter. When Colter is terminated in the real world (while in the source code), he hallucinates the "perfect rescue" and lives an imagined life with Christina.
Hmmm...
Spoiler:
Just how does Colter hallucinate the "perfect rescue" and live an imagined life with Christina after he is dead? The ending with Christina was presented after Goodwin pulled the plug on Colter. Not prior nor during the termination. The way it was presented, the ending with Christina occurred after his "death." He couldn't hallucinate anything.

But hey, if that floats your boat, then fine.

That's just not what I got from what was presented in the movie.

Brent L 04-09-11 05:46 PM
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I haven't ready any comments by any of you guys or anyone else, so I am not being influenced by anything or anyone, other than my just having seen the film. In short, this was one of the most satisfying movie watching experiences I have ever had in my life. I loved this movie, so much, through and through. It is easily my favorite film of the year, one my favorites in years, and after another watch or two it could end up as an all time favorite of mine.

I'd watch it again right now if someone here wanted to see it now. If you haven't seen it yet, get to it, it's fantastic.

SmithsGuy 04-09-11 07:52 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by DonnachaOne (Post 10708652)
It's pretty simple;
Spoiler:
Sean Fentress is dead, and now, so is Colter. When Colter is terminated in the real world (while in the source code), he hallucinates the "perfect rescue" and lives an imagined life with Christina.
Spoiler:

I was wondering whether being "terminated" in the Source Code machine allows Colter to jump to the past to Fentress, take over, and change a time line (or make a new one). Hence the text message works. Colter exists twice in the timeline (in Fentress and in the pod). .... Of course you can then end up with a world full of Colters-in-bodies...

Groucho 04-09-11 09:21 PM
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A better title for this would have been Jakes on a Train.

Supermallet 04-10-11 01:32 AM
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Finally saw this. Loved it. Tight, lean, and moved at a nice clip. I thought the ending was perfect.

DonnachaOne 04-10-11 01:39 AM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by Jon2 (Post 10712426)
Hmmm...
Spoiler:
Just how does Colter hallucinate the "perfect rescue" and live an imagined life with Christina after he is dead? The ending with Christina was presented after Goodwin pulled the plug on Colter. Not prior nor during the termination. The way it was presented, the ending with Christina occurred after his "death." He couldn't hallucinate anything.

But hey, if that floats your boat, then fine.

That's just not what I got from what was presented in the movie.
Condescension aside, your question is valid.
Spoiler:
It's his afterlife. I don't mean in any sort of explicitly religious sense, but certainly a metaphysical one, like the postmortem perceived reunion at the end of the similar-themed Somewhere In Time, or the "you could live a whole lifetime in your dying seconds" theory, discussed in Waking Life. No-one in Colter's hallucination actually exists, at least not anymore. They are projections of his subconscious, no different than his Source Code capsule.

Giantrobo 04-10-11 03:02 AM
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Saw it tonight and liked it. I thought the ending was great.

I love
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Parallel Universe/Reality stuff so this was right up there for me.

Groucho 04-10-11 10:26 AM
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DonnachaOne, you've completely misinterpreted the film. See my post above.

Brent L 04-10-11 11:43 AM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10718144)
Finally saw this. Loved it. Tight, lean, and moved at a nice clip. I thought the ending was perfect.
I totally agree. What I loved so much about the ending is how it sorta makes you think it's going to end in a number of places. Each one in a way felt fine to me, but with each "new" ending I felt more and more satisfied, all the way up to the final line. Just perfect, haven't seen a more perfect satisfying ending in a long time.

Supermallet 04-10-11 12:36 PM
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And, for the record, my thought on the ending was:

Spoiler:
A string-theory style alternate reality. What led me to that conclusion was the repeated references to quantum mechanics and his questioning of whether or not there are other Goodwins in other realities who made different choices. I don't think it's just a dying man's hallucination or the afterlife or anything like that.

Brent L 04-10-11 01:10 PM
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And again, I 100% agree with that theory. I didn't even think otherwise when I saw the ending, that's exactly what I left the theater thinking. I think that is what they were obviously going for as well with all that they mentioned throughout the film.

fumanstan 04-10-11 02:47 PM
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It's like the Minority Report ending "debate" :p

Dr. DVD 04-10-11 04:53 PM
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Saw it. Nice movie that kept everything tight and sweet. I agree with the ending most accepted here :

Spoiler:
Colter created an alternate reality once he stopped the explosion. Fentress ceased to exist, but it was a small price to pay. However, should there be a need for a sequel , an alternate Colter is ready and waiting! ;)


While I really don't want a sequel , I think it's disheartening that this movie struggles while crud like Hop rakes in the $$$. I think today's generation of parents consider a movie a success if it keeps the kids quiet as opposed to whether or not it's actually any good, or, they might actually like it themselves.

Final point, brilliant "cameo" by
Spoiler:
Scott Bakula. Thought I recognized the voice on the phone, but when I saw the credits I actually smiled. An older couple stayed as well and when I told them it was the guy from Quantum Leap as the dad, they also thought it was clever.

Solid Snake 04-10-11 05:00 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 10718675)
Saw it. Nice movie that kept everything tight and sweet. I agree with the ending most accepted here :

Spoiler:
Colter created an alternate reality once he stopped the explosion. Fentress ceased to exist, but it was a small price to pay. However, should there be a need for a sequel , an alternate Colter is ready and waiting! ;)


While I really don't want a sequel , I think it's disheartening that this movie struggles while crud like Hop rakes in the $$$. I think today's generation of parents consider a movie a success if it keeps the kids quiet as opposed to whether or not it's actually any good, or, they might actually like it themselves.

Final point, brilliant "cameo" by
Spoiler:
Scott Bakula. Thought I recognized the voice on the phone, but when I saw the credits I actually smiled. An older couple stayed as well and when I told them it was the guy from Quantum Leap as the dad, they also thought it was clever.
The problem with that is...studios got smart about their business. Parents used to take their kids to whatever was available. Kid centric or not, of which in comparison there was a little section dedicated to kids except for maybe Disney. NOW it's a whole damn section of the industry where if it looks like something will be fun for a kid...and if one kid thinks it's fun...they're pretty sure a bunch of other kids will think it's fun too. Quality is irrelevant, hell even the actors that do those movies can admit after the fact that it was a job for some quick and ez cash. The rarity of that is Pixar nowadays, who make films for everyone...but yes...kids are their main attraction..but they make damn good films.

Supermallet 04-10-11 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 10718675)
Final point, brilliant "cameo" by
Spoiler:
Scott Bakula. Thought I recognized the voice on the phone, but when I saw the credits I actually smiled. An older couple stayed as well and when I told them it was the guy from Quantum Leap as the dad, they also thought it was clever.
Oh wow, that one went right over my head. I agree, great cameo.

Brent L 04-10-11 05:04 PM
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I didn't even realize that either. Ending +1 more!

Dr. DVD 04-10-11 06:30 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 10718683)
The problem with that is...studios got smart about their business. Parents used to take their kids to whatever was available. Kid centric or not, of which in comparison there was a little section dedicated to kids except for maybe Disney. NOW it's a whole damn section of the industry where if it looks like something will be fun for a kid...and if one kid thinks it's fun...they're pretty sure a bunch of other kids will think it's fun too. Quality is irrelevant, hell even the actors that do those movies can admit after the fact that it was a job for some quick and ez cash. The rarity of that is Pixar nowadays, who make films for everyone...but yes...kids are their main attraction..but they make damn good films.


What's sad is that I remember when I was a kid a lot of parents didn't take kids to the kid centric stuff unless it had the Disney banner over it. Even then it was a difficult sell if it wasn't animated. Now they seem to go no questions asked, like parents don't want to take time to nurture, just get em quiet.

Jon2 04-10-11 08:50 PM
Re: Source Code - New Duncan Jones film
 
Originally Posted by DonnachaOne (Post 10718145)
Condescension aside, your question is valid.
Spoiler:
It's his afterlife. I don't mean in any sort of explicitly religious sense, but certainly a metaphysical one, like the postmortem perceived reunion at the end of the similar-themed Somewhere In Time, or the "you could live a whole lifetime in your dying seconds" theory, discussed in Waking Life. No-one in Colter's hallucination actually exists, at least not anymore. They are projections of his subconscious, no different than his Source Code capsule.
My apologies as I didn't intend to be condescending, but just that if one has a different viewpoint, that's fine. However, the reasons for my interpretation of the ending are the same as Suprmallet.

Spoiler:
FWIW, I didn't take the ending of Somewhere in Time to be metaphysical, but the filmmakers expression of a literal heavenly (although non-denominationally specific) reunion. SiT is fantasy, not SF, after all.

DJariya 04-10-11 10:25 PM
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:thumbsup: Saw this last Monday and I liked it alot. Very tight well executed action/science fiction movie. I especially enjoyed that it was roughly 94 minutes and managed to tell a complete and satisfying story with a good conclusion. I thought the pacing of the movie was perfect and was never bored.

BTW, Isn't Michelle Monaghan freaking adorable? I loved her scenes with Jake Gyllenhaal on the train.


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