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Old 10-25-09, 07:20 PM
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
So then define it, big man. Is there a Websters dictionary text book definition for it?
Not Webster's.

A phrase for a genre of horror films that seriously-very-douchebaggy critics came up with, and critic-sheep use as a mantra.

They tend to mindlessly apply them to the Saw films, The Devil's Rejetcs and Hostel without actually doing any research. But when your opinion is popular, you don't need to do research, amirite?

Saw is usually accused of starting the torture porn genre. For more on that theory, see: flat-out fucking lie

You see, Cannibal Holocaust came out twenty years ago, much more violent than all the Saw/Hostel/Devils Rejects films put together. That was 1980, so this didn't come out of nowhere with Hostel and Saw.

Plus, the Texas Chainsaw/Halloween/Friday the 13th remakes have been regarded as "torture porn" by some, even though they're the same as they were twenty years ago.

So...it is possible that we're just in an age of oversensitive-politically-correct douchebaggery?

Our crack team of researchers say...yeah, pretty much.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

the entire Saw series is GARBAGE (with the exception of the original), I am glad it got its ass kicked!
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton

So then define it, big man. Is there a Websters dictionary text book definition for it?
why would you need a dictionary for something that's blatantly obvious? it's ok to admit that you are wrong. clearly you are in this case. it's ok.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

to like Paranormal Activity is to buy into the fact that this is found, actual footage of a couple being tormented. in 2009 that is very hard to do and am really amazed at the people buying into it. which isn't to say i am criticizing. i just don't get it is all.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

I'm surprised that Paranormal Activity beat out Saw VI especially since Saw VI had about 1,000 more theaters. I do like the Saw series but I decided to wait till next weekend to see it. I do wonder if it or PA will do better next weekend during Halloween. But like another poster mentioned the Saw movies never have big budgets and so if this makes between 40 million to 50 million it will be considered a success. I do hope part VIII is the last one.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Damn ,these are our Halloween choices this year? Though I do want to see Zombieland, I guess.

Sorry to diverge from the real debate in here...

Only had the unfortunate displeasure of seeing the first Saw.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
So then define it, big man. Is there a Websters dictionary text book definition for it?
Found this on Wikipedia:

In the 2000s, there has been a resurgence of films influenced by the splatter genre that depict nudity, torture, mutilation and sadism, sometimes disparagingly labeled "torture porn" by critics. The Eli Roth film, Hostel (2005), was the first to be called "torture porn" by critic David Edelstein in January 2006, but the classification has been applied to Saw (2004) and its sequels (though its creators disagree with the classification), The Devil's Rejects (2005), Wolf Creek (2005), and the earlier films Baise-moi (2000), and Ichi the Killer (2001). Edelstein also included Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ (2004) in with the genre, due to its explicit scenes. A difference between this group of films and earlier splatter films is that they are often mainstream Hollywood films that receive a wide release and have comparatively high production values.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Which leads us back to this great response;

Originally Posted by TimeandTide
Not Webster's.

A phrase for a genre of horror films that seriously-very-douchebaggy critics came up with, and critic-sheep use as a mantra.

They tend to mindlessly apply them to the Saw films, The Devil's Rejetcs and Hostel without actually doing any research. But when your opinion is popular, you don't need to do research, amirite?

Saw is usually accused of starting the torture porn genre. For more on that theory, see: flat-out fucking lie

You see, Cannibal Holocaust came out twenty years ago, much more violent than all the Saw/Hostel/Devils Rejects films put together. That was 1980, so this didn't come out of nowhere with Hostel and Saw.

Plus, the Texas Chainsaw/Halloween/Friday the 13th remakes have been regarded as "torture porn" by some, even though they're the same as they were twenty years ago.

So...it is possible that we're just in an age of oversensitive-politically-correct douchebaggery?

Our crack team of researchers say...yeah, pretty much.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=torture+porn
It does explain it. Because hey, one critic called it torture porn, it clearly has to stick? When you boil it down BOTH films have you watching some force slowly torture (graphic or not) the characters on screen.

In other news, Transformers 2 was the ultimate in Torture porn for film studios as it sure as hell slowly tortured viewers.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Jackskeleton,

Thanks for the spoilers. Especially in a thread where they don't belong.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by hapgilmore
the entire Saw series is GARBAGE. I am glad it got its ass kicked!
Fixed
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Which leads us back to this great response;



It does explain it. Because hey, one critic called it torture porn, it clearly has to stick? When you boil it down BOTH films have you watching some force slowly torture (graphic or not) the characters on screen.

In other news, Transformers 2 was the ultimate in Torture porn for film studios as it sure as hell slowly tortured viewers.
i love how you have the inability to admit when you are wrong. nothing changes around here, does it?
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
So right off the bat you know that something seriously grave happens to them. No matter if you want to admit it or not, the viewing audience is watching was is essentially a snuff film.
I hear ya.

Sunset Blvd = torture porn
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Cape Fear = torture porn, good point.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by scott1598
to like Paranormal Activity is to buy into the fact that this is found, actual footage of a couple being tormented. in 2009 that is very hard to do and am really amazed at the people buying into it. which isn't to say i am criticizing. i just don't get it is all.
...Suspension of disbelief?
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Deftones
i love how you have the inability to admit when you are wrong. nothing changes around here, does it?
I like how you have an inability to have a debate/discussion. :ROTFLOL:
Old 10-26-09, 01:59 AM
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Gerry P.
I hear ya.

Sunset Blvd = torture porn
Well hey, I'm sure if some critic who didn't like it or didn't like the trend in which movies were going towards and described it like that and decided to label it in such a fashion, then yes. I suppose it would be considered it.

Again, the basis we're defining "torture porn" is as something said by critics who didn't care for it.

You could call PA a Comedy Horror. But if you're going to call it that, then you would have to call SAW the same thing, is what I'm getting at. The idea on calling them both torture porn is because others have the mentality of "Glad SAW was beaten, I've had enough of that crappy horror!, Bring on more PA!"

They're the same. So call it whatever you like, but you have to lump BOTH together. Wasn't THE STRANGERS considered "torture porn" via the critics? So what makes the difference between PA and The Strangers?

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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
So then define it, big man. Is there a Websters dictionary text book definition for it?
The general definition of "torture porn", as I see it, is that an eager audience goes to see said movie, and each of the big setpieces builds to a grand guginol of bodily fluids, allowing the viewers to "get their rocks off" on torture.

There is a similar, but inverse type of reaction to a movie like Paranormal Activity, where an audience goes to see what the fuss is all about. Most importantly, the movie builds not off of drawing out what the audience paid to see but shocking or surprising them with something they weren't expecting.
Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
It just seems silly that people will be getting on a high moral horse in saying one is of more quality than the other. They both have very thing plots and the whole purpose of seeing them is to see what happens to the victims in them.
Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Yeah, pretty much. The point is a lot of people who are trying to justify PA as a better quality film than the SAW franchise (which I really can't say I gave a shit about anyway, they're all interchangeable as forgettable) are fooling themselves.
These quotes indicate my key issue with this argument. You're acting as if "torture porn" is an assessment of quality rather than a defining characteristic. I don't like using "torture porn" as a term at all, but if I must, I guess I'll use it to identify the content of a film rather than judge its merits.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Though, as the other poster quoted, "Torture-porn" seems to just be a critique that was laid out by film critics who weren't pleased with the new direction that horror films were going.

So your definition of it is that if there's a ton of blood that it's built up to in order for the audience to get a sort of blood lust. Like... say Gladiator? :Insert Crowe screaming "Are you not entertained?" here:

Would Kill Bill be considered Torture Porn? I mean, How about Brain Dead? Both of them are filled with buckets and buckets of blood.

And really, are you saying that the viewers of PA aren't going in to see an eager audience isn't going in to see what the couple will be put through by said villain building up to some sort of moment that was given away in the ads of a character getting tossed into the screen. Yes, sans blood, but still an eager anticipation for said climax.

My original post came from the following posters who felt that PA was better than SAW and were pleased that it was kicking it's butt simply to end what they felt was Saw's tainting of the theater:

Originally Posted by Drav3n
wow i really hope paranormal is #1! i was a fan of the saw movies, but after 4 it just got so stupid.

saw needs to come to an end already.
Originally Posted by cranberries fan
Saw Franchise needs to die quick 6 and done please no more "torture-gore".

Nice to see Paranormal Activity (it looks so real and I like that low-budget feel!).
But they fail to realize that both films are just different sides to the same coin. The second quote specifically. Do you not see the contradiction in that post alone? Yes, it may not be Torture-GORE, but it doesn't make PA any better on a moral high grand than SAW.

Hell, BOTH are low budget. I mean, seriously. How could you praise one for being low budget and not the other? And the "looks so real" doesn't do anything for the argument that says it's not a glorified faux-snuff film.

Maybe you can't see it, but SAW and PA are both films that are much alike. Yes, Saw VI has more blood, but the idea with PA is you're suspending your disbelief and thinking that it's the found video tape of a couple who had been haunted by some demon.

Notice the bold. And again, both films carry that out. In the case of PA, it's a demon torturing a couple for the 80 minutes or so. Less blood, but it seems that the title of "torture-porn" came about simply to discredit a film as nothing more than something people can go in and jerk off to someone else's suffrage.

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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

This is one of the more inane arguments I've seen in a while. Also, regardless of whether you think of Paranormal Activity as a torture film, that doesn't mean it and Saw VI are of the same quality. To even insinuate such a thing is absurd. I am a fan of the Hostel films and they are full of torture. I like them for a variety of different reasons, none of which I have found in any Saw movie. But hey, if you consider Night of the Living Dead and House of the Dead to be of the same quality because they're both zombie films, I suppose that's your problem.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by J. Farley
This is one of the more inane arguments I've seen in a while.
I don't even know what the hell they're arguing about anymore. Seems more like a "who can get the last word in" contest.

I'm just glad Amelia finished outside the top ten. This trend of Biography Porn has to stop.
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I'm just glad Amelia finished outside the top ten. This trend of Biography Porn has to stop.


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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Though, as the other poster quoted, "Torture-porn" seems to just be a critique that was laid out by film critics who weren't pleased with the new direction that horror films were going.

So your definition of it is that if there's a ton of blood that it's built up to in order for the audience to get a sort of blood lust. Like... say Gladiator? :Insert Crowe screaming "Are you not entertained?" here:

Would Kill Bill be considered Torture Porn? I mean, How about Brain Dead? Both of them are filled with buckets and buckets of blood.

And really, are you saying that the viewers of PA aren't going in to see an eager audience isn't going in to see what the couple will be put through by said villain building up to some sort of moment that was given away in the ads of a character getting tossed into the screen. Yes, sans blood, but still an eager anticipation for said climax.

My original post came from the following posters who felt that PA was better than SAW and were pleased that it was kicking it's butt simply to end what they felt was Saw's tainting of the theater:





But they fail to realize that both films are just different sides to the same coin. The second quote specifically. Do you not see the contradiction in that post alone? Yes, it may not be Torture-GORE, but it doesn't make PA any better on a moral high grand than SAW.

Hell, BOTH are low budget. I mean, seriously. How could you praise one for being low budget and not the other? And the "looks so real" doesn't do anything for the argument that says it's not a glorified faux-snuff film.

Maybe you can't see it, but SAW and PA are both films that are much alike. Yes, Saw VI has more blood, but the idea with PA is you're suspending your disbelief and thinking that it's the found video tape of a couple who had been haunted by some demon.

Notice the bold. And again, both films carry that out. In the case of PA, it's a demon torturing a couple for the 80 minutes or so. Less blood, but it seems that the title of "torture-porn" came about simply to discredit a film as nothing more than something people can go in and jerk off to someone else's suffrage.
Seriously, your posts are like torture porn because I'm in agony reading them. Please stop. It hurts.
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Ah, I missed the part where you're forced to read every post.
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This thread went from basic to horrible to redeemed in 3 pages. Well done!
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Re: Weekend Box Office - Oct 23 - 25, 2009 - Bet nobody Saw this coming...

Originally Posted by Fist of Doom
I don't even know what the hell they're arguing about anymore. Seems more like a "who can get the last word in" contest.

I'm just glad Amelia finished outside the top ten. This trend of Biography Porn has to stop.
Bio-porn. I like it. How soon before someone at the New York Times picks it up and starts using it? (In fact, I'll e-mail them right now.)

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