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mdc3000 10-23-09 02:20 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I haven't seen V since the theatre (although I own it on blu), sounds like I should rewatch that before heading out to see VI tonight.

tylergfoster 10-23-09 02:33 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 9792168)
Spoiler:
I think William was a dead man walking the moment he entered the final trap. Not only does it finalize the film's weird liberal slant, but both Jigsaw and the family William denied coverage to get their revenge for what William did to them in their first place. Unlike Jeff who practically killed everyone during his game, William does make some "better" decisions during his time with Jigsaw (keeping at least three survivors), but I think he was a goner the moment we see his interactions with John during the flashbacks.

Spoiler:
Oh, I was definitely expecting him to bite it. I just would have preferred that he didn't. I liked how slowly the movies took care of Matthews and I'd like to see more characters last that long, because I liked Donnie Wahlberg, and I liked the idea that he was like a wildcard the producers were waiting to play.

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 9792168)
Spoiler:
Where did she get the copy of the note that Hoffman wrote to Amanda?

Spoiler:
So there's that and the tape given to the girl who chopped her arm off. Hell, what were the prologue's characters relevance at all? And even though I criticized not enough people surviving, I suppose there are a whole six trapped people alive at the end of Saw VI, not to mention the one or two that were theoretically alive at the end of Saw V.

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 9792168)
I do agree that V plays stronger on DVD, but I haven't seen IV since it's theatrical release. I own all of them on DVD with the exception of IV.

You should really give it another chance. I think the Rigg plot has an excellent moral hook, and some of the traps in IV, like the husband-and-wife trap, are great. The direction is also good, and I agree that Strahm's a very likable character.

What I'd kind of like to see is
Spoiler:
a Saw sequel that takes into account a few of the living peripheral victims, like Daniel, Alison (Monica Potter) and Diana. I'm also shocked there hasn't been a Kerry flashback yet. She made it through most of the first trilogy, and yet she's never been fleshed out. Maybe she's in the video game, which a friend and I are planning to play soon.

BravesMG 10-23-09 03:08 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
Just got back from this and liked it a lot more than V, but I don't think it really got to the point where it's just a good movie on it's own. The political slant didn't bother me at all, aside from a speech
Spoiler:
Jigsaw's long diatribe in the office when denied coverage
that was oddly direct and out of place.

I'm not a film student or critic, or anything other than a dude who just really likes movies, but the main guy (I can't even remember his name anymore) might be the worst actor I've ever seen. Perhaps it would be more accurate to call it the worst performance I've ever noticed. The scenes in his office would have been just as laughable if he was twirling a handlebar mustache wearing a black hat while feeding a baby bunny rabbit to a python. It was worse than telemundo soap operas, I could barely contain my laughter every time the guy spoke.

I'm also with Droid that I loved Saw IV and consider it the second best entry behind the original, which I (pretty much alone) consider an absolute classic. Also Droid, about the game:
Spoiler:
no Kerry flashback, but highly worth playing.
I'd recommend it if you enjoy the Saw movies, it's fun. But I didn't find it to be as forthcoming with all the answers that a lot of folks found. I'm not sure if I wasn't paying enough attention to the details or if I went in expecting a few too many answers.

Matthew Chmiel 10-23-09 08:01 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
Currently Saw VI is sitting on Rotten Tomatoes with the best reviews since the first.

I - 46%
II - 36%
III - 25%
IV - 18%
V - 15%
VI - 42%

Curious to see where it goes when more reviews are added.

Indy Jones Fan 10-23-09 08:32 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 9791396)
It also happens to be weirdly enough the most socially relevant entry in the Saw franchise with a hugely liberal stance. This time Jigsaw goes after conservatism with the health care industry and the mortgage crisis. As a liberal, I enjoy ninety minutes devoted to Republicans getting torn up by Jigsaw; but I'm sure wm_lopez will hate everything this movie has to offer with it's liberal slant.

You don't have to be a liberal to enjoy seeing the health insurance industry being attacked. I lean mostly to the right politically and I HATE insurance companies.

I've been a fan of the SAW franchise from day one and look forward each year to the latest installment but they really need to wrap this up. As stated earlier by another member the films are just too repetitive at this point.

NiCK Crush 10-24-09 12:34 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
glad to see fans of the franchise giving this positive marks :thumbsup:

I'll be catching this tomorrow night.

Rammsteinfan 10-24-09 12:59 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I loved it and cant wait for the BD. The ending was better than I expected.

Jackskeleton 10-24-09 06:57 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
God damn. I want to kill day traders because of Paranormal Activity, Blackwater ops due to District 9 and now I have to add Health Care provider CEO's to the list thanks to this film.

I hope Wall Street 2 reflects my hate towards Bank CEO's.

zombeaner 10-24-09 06:58 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
This movie was awful.

RichC2 10-24-09 07:22 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by zombeaner (Post 9793345)
This movie was awful.

Indepth!

Jackskeleton 10-24-09 08:56 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
This movie will have a bigger impact on the health care debate than any actual rational argument advanced in the last six months.

islandclaws 10-24-09 10:10 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I was going to wait a bit to see this one, but all the positive marks prompted me to run out and see it with my chick last night.

I thought it was a better entry than IV or V, though I've only seen each once, but it's not quite as strong as people are saying, IMO. I liked that it tied up some loose ends that had been hanging around for a few films. I thought Costas chewed some serious scenery, and I liked it. He's so obvious, so over-the-top bad that it makes watching him so much fun.

However, I did feel like it rushed through things a bit. Maybe it was just the editing (usually is with this series), but I thought they could have given it a little more room to breathe.

My favorite part is definitely
Spoiler:
the scene where Hoffman fucks some serious shit up in the audio room.
I was hoping it would go down like that. As for the ending,
Spoiler:
I'm very curious to see where VII takes the story after that. Even though he's majorly fucked up, Hoffman is gonna be out of revenge. I like the potential we have for a different kind of Saw film, maybe. With Hoffman no longer playing the Jigsaw role, and Jill unable to really realistically set up and trap more people, maybe the series will take on a somewhat different tone.


So, rating it according to Saw films standards, I'd give it a 73/100.

My personal standings:

I
III
II
VI
IV
V

Rival11 10-24-09 11:26 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
Just read Orndorf's review...doooooon't think I'll be seeing this one at the theater as well. In fact, I think I've had my fill of this garbage after V - V was so damn bland with some of the worst acting I've seen in a while that, I may just be done.

BravesMG 10-24-09 11:35 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I will say this about the staleness of the structure, I'll feel damn uplifted going into VII if they don't cold open in a game.

DJariya 10-24-09 11:44 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I read Brian O's review and to me he sounds quite biased. Right in his 1st paragraph he mentioned how much he hated and or was disgusted by the 1st film and really had nothing good to say about this film or the franchise in general.

zombeaner 10-24-09 11:45 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 9793356)
Indepth!

Why waste thought reviewing it. It was hackneyed, certainly after the last 2 movies. I was kind of with the series up until 3, then it went downhill. How many goddamned videos did John Kramer make? OOOOHH, insurance companies are bad!! I agree, but this was just ridiculous. I should've waited at the theater and seen Wild Things instead. It doesn't help that I walked into this after walking out of Zombieland, which was a really fun and entertaining movie.

fumanstan 10-24-09 11:54 AM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by Rival11 (Post 9793636)
Just read Orndorf's review...doooooon't think I'll be seeing this one at the theater as well. In fact, I think I've had my fill of this garbage after V - V was so damn bland with some of the worst acting I've seen in a while that, I may just be done.


Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 9793661)
I read Brian O's review and to me he sounds quite biased. Right in his 1st paragraph he mentioned how much he hated and or was disgusted by the 1st film and really had nothing good to say about this film or the franchise in general.

I've pretty much ignored any of his reviews on this site as his tastes don't match mine. Reviews like this are a waste of time, given that he already hates the series and all but insults the film series' audience.

Seems like if you've seen and enjoyed any of the previous ones, VI is a big step up from the last few based on the other reviews out there.

Rival11 10-24-09 12:01 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
The deciding factor for me in Orndorf's review was the low "production" value. No, I was not getting my hopes up that this would change at all but after V, I can't sit through such a shitty movie like that again. While watching V, no matter what set the players were on, it always felt like the torture rooms\bad guys were right next door via a paper mache wall.

Believe me when I tell you, I am in no way a stickler for low value as well but when it comes to the Saw films, it bothers me beyond belief.

Also, as far as his review goes, he mentioned the "bore" factor once again during the extreme scenes, again....This is what I got out of 5 as well; I just don't want to sit through the same movie again.

I don't think his review was biased at all either but make of it what you will.

dsa_shea 10-24-09 12:18 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by Rival11 (Post 9793690)
The deciding factor for me in Orndorf's review was the low "production" value. No, I was not getting my hopes up that this would change at all but after V, I can't sit through such a shitty movie like that again. While watching V, no matter what set the players were on, it always felt like the torture rooms\bad guys were right next door via a paper mache wall.

Believe me when I tell you, I am in no way a stickler for low value as well but when it comes to the Saw films, it bothers me beyond belief.

Also, as far as his review goes, he mentioned the "bore" factor once again during the extreme scenes, again....This is what I got out of 5 as well; I just don't want to sit through the same movie again.

I don't think his review was biased at all either but make of it what you will.

How do you define "production value"? Anyone that dislikes a movie can say that it has a low production value. Besides, how much money does one expect them to invest in making each of these movies? Does it have traps? Yes, it has several. Does it have gore? Yes, it has plenty of gore. Does it have story that ties the people together? Yes, even if the story isn't liked by some. What do people expect from the Saw films? If you like them go see it and if you don't then you have no business watching a 6th film in the series.

tylergfoster 10-24-09 01:03 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I don't see how the production values of Saw VI are any better or worse than that of the other Saw films, with the sole exception of V, which really did look a little cheap.

Matthew Chmiel 10-24-09 01:03 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I'd actually argue that the production value is a bit higher than V, if only for the maze / fire trap.

Ironic considering that the production designer of I - IV directed V and the editor of I - V directed VI. ;)

DJariya 10-24-09 01:24 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I don't understand the above statement about having a "Low" production value. Haven't seen VI yet (will later today) but these films are suppose to have a gritty, dirty clausterphobic element to them. Your not going to put these victims in brightly lit rooms with extravagant sets/props.

fumanstan 10-24-09 01:25 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 

Originally Posted by Rival11 (Post 9793690)
The deciding factor for me in Orndorf's review was the low "production" value. No, I was not getting my hopes up that this would change at all but after V, I can't sit through such a shitty movie like that again. While watching V, no matter what set the players were on, it always felt like the torture rooms\bad guys were right next door via a paper mache wall.

Believe me when I tell you, I am in no way a stickler for low value as well but when it comes to the Saw films, it bothers me beyond belief.

Also, as far as his review goes, he mentioned the "bore" factor once again during the extreme scenes, again....This is what I got out of 5 as well; I just don't want to sit through the same movie again.

I don't think his review was biased at all either but make of it what you will.

Part V was a turn off for a lot of people, and I haven't seen this yet myself to judge on my own so I can understand giving up on the series, but it just seems weird that you would make a decision based on the review of someone who loathes the entire series, especially given that Matthew Chmiel pointed out that this has received the highest reviews since the original.

Zodiac_Speaking 10-24-09 01:30 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
Saw VI is the second best sequel after Saw II. Really liked it; felt it capped off the series nicely even though Saw vII 3-D is next year.

sirbrady 10-24-09 01:32 PM

Re: Saw VI (2009)
 
I liked it. One of the best of the series imo. Have a question/comment here. I need someone to confirm this.

Spoiler:
Jill was dropping the package off at the hospital. She goes to the office and we get a glimpse of the nameplate. It was blurry, but I think it said "Dr. Lawrence Gordon". Our new theater has been opened for a week and the pic quality is really good. Did anyone else see this?


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