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Draven 08-19-09 09:20 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by GenPion (Post 9656631)
This movie was very disappointing. It was a non-stop thrill ride but it lacked so much in logic that I felt like it was nothing more than a giant mess by the time the credits began to roll.

...I can't think of one thing in the movie that didn't make sense to me.

SPiRAL 08-19-09 09:27 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
Wikus was hilarious. He reminded me of Murray from Flight of the Conchords, mixed with a little bit of Michael Scott, while looking like Spike Jonez. :shrug:

RD1973 08-19-09 11:08 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 9655312)
^ Those two things didn't bother me much, as it was a sci-fi film. In pretty much any such film you could pick out dozens of "how?" or "why?" issues.

Spoilers follow
Spoiler:
How did the ship stay suspended? Why did the countries of the earth not have tons of military and scientist all over the ship? How could they not have found all those aliens weapons "so carefully hidden" all over D9? Why didn't they hide in ship and immediately take off as soon as they found the liquid? Why didn't they extract it in the safety of the underground ship?

Ejunior2 & Trevor:

While, those are all good questions, it doesn't bother me that they all go unanswered. In this movie, we are just thrown into the middle of things. So I expected to be a little lost. The sequel will surely expand the scope of this universe and probably answer most questions. If something in the sequel contradicts anything we've already seen, then we can officially call them plot holes. But for now, we have too little information. So we have to speculate. But I think that's part of the fun.

For example:

Why did the countries of the earth not have tons of military and scientist all over the ship?

They arrived years ago. For all we know, the ship has already been picked clean.

How did the ship stay suspended?

In Star Wars terms, I think the "repulsor-lifts" still work, but they need the black stuff for the "hyperdrive."

Two things really, 1) how does this black rocket fuel or whatever it is that powers the entire ship also turn humans into prawns and 2) how would Christopher know that the fluid would do that to a human which he obviously did when he first saw Wilkin's mutated arm.

It appeared to me that the prawns' technology has a biological aspect to it. Like the goo you stick your hands into to control the ship or the weapons having to interface with the prawns' DNA in order to work. Maybe, the fuel is alive and interacts with the user.

RD1973 08-19-09 11:21 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 9655130)
Saw it last night. It was very entertaining but definitely falls short of the 'masterpiece' everyone is claiming it to be. I really enjoyed the actor portraying Wikus and seeing his personality change throughout the film depending on extraneous circumstances.

Marching into MNU and taking the vial back was the biggest :wtf: moment. Also quite a bit splashed on Wikus in the beginning, how did they know there was anything left in the vial? Oh and Chistopher making a bomb to escape in literally 5 seconds with scrap pulled from a table? :lol: That whole bit was very reminiscent of the virus in ID4. Almost as preposterous, but it still held together somehow without totally going off the deep end despite sounding like it in text form.

3 1/2 out of 5

Well, as they were contemplating breaking into MNU, I realized the more realistic decision would have been not to attempt it. They could have stayed in D9 eating garbage for the rest of the movie.

But I also realize that A) That's not the movie I wanted to see, and B) honestly, I would have tried it too. Life in D9 is no life at all.

What made it credible for me is that Wikus had alien weapons and an alien genius with him (Christopher is capable of interstellar travel, afterall).

Also, maybe I'm wrong but the way I remember it, Cristopher used a bomb. He didn't make it.

RD1973 08-19-09 11:24 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
I just remembered something. Are the prawns chameleons? I remember seeing yellow stripes on some and white writing on others as if they were trying to blend into some of the signs around D9.

Supermallet 08-19-09 11:28 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
I don't think they're chameleons, more than likely those are gang colors of some sort or another. Also every prawn had an ID code from MNU on the back of their heads.

grrr 08-21-09 12:26 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by bunnydojo (Post 9653548)
This is a rare case where I was okay with that kind of thing...
Spoiler:
The kid had obviously spent a lot of time with his father around the technology, and, based on all of the diagrams and text, it seems like it would be easy enough to figure out. :) If you can accept that Wikus was able to adapt to the ship and suit so quickly, it seems only fair that the kid would have no big trouble. Plus, c'mon, he's so darn lovable! :D

It's not a great violation of movie protocol, but it's also not an original plot twist or something we haven't seen a thousand times before. The film had a daring premise, but whereas it could've been a bold film like the Proposition, it obeyed convention. And as much as I enjoyed it, I felt my eyes rolling when the colonel
Spoiler:
paused for a short soliloquy with his gun to Chris's head, giving the aliens just enough time to prevent him from shooting our hero point blank. All of the unlikely plot points that saved the protagonists from multiple instances of certain death struck me as Spielberg-esque.

porieux 08-21-09 01:52 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
Here is a FAQ that can help answer a lot of questions people are bringing up.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/...flat/145381864

Spoiler:
District 9 FAQ

I gathered these questions mostly from all the passionate comments on this board regarding plot holes. If these questions come up, you can simply link the original poster to this thread and save yourself a load of time explaining. I hope this FAQ list, although in no means complete, can help some people.

1) What was the mothership? An alien convict ship? An alien slave ship?

The ship was a long distance resource and mineral collecting structure. Blomkamp explains: “Obviously, there's much more of a population on the main planet, but the ships will go out and get the minerals and the ore and whatever resources they need and then bring them all back home.” It is actually part of an even bigger structure. “The other thing is that the ship was meant to clip together with other ships. So there's, like, vast amounts of resources that they're bringing to the parent planet.”

2) Why did the mothership cruise to a stop above Joburg? Did it run out of fuel?

No, the mothership did not run out of fuel. After the queen died, the mothership cruised to nearest life-sustaining planet. Blomkamp explains: “…it was the ship that realized that, unless it gets to a life sustaining planet everything is going to die, which is a cool idea. So the ship just auto pilots to the closest one in the Goldilocks band, and it's our planet and then pulls up and hits the breaks.”

3) What falls off the mothership when it first makes contact with Earth?

The command module to the mothership. In the movie, it is shown to fit into the mothership like a perfect puzzle piece.

4) Why does the command module fall off?

Not explained. There are many speculations, however. Maybe whatever virus, disease, or entity that killed off many of the prawns lead to a malfunction or lack of maintenance in the mothership. Or maybe, when the queen dies, the mothership is programmed stop near a life-sustaining planet and detach the command module so that the worker drones do not attempt to pilot it and get themselves killed or waste valuable resources. Or maybe the mothership was programmed to respond to threats like holes being ripped open in the mothership and detach the command module to save the more valuable, intelligent prawns inside.

5) Why didn’t scientist rip apart the mothership and examine it like they did to countless prawns in the medical labs?

Because unlike the dead prawn subjects, the mothership is a threat hovering
above Joburg. The scientists could not comprehend alien technology. One false move could lead to the entire mothership crashing down upon the populated city.

6) Why doesn’t the military shoot down the mothership? It is a theart.

It is more of a threat when it is a flaming fireball falling upon Joburg. See FAQ #5.

7) Why would the prawns not come out of the mothership for three months if they were malnourished? Did they want to die or something?

The prawns do not operate like humans. They operate more like a hive society. Although with proper leadership they were able to achieve amazing technological feats, without their queen they were simply individual worker drones that were unable to get much organized. Much less make first contact with a new species.

8) How come only the queen (or smarter leaders) died but the less intelligent prawns survived?

The worker drones were more immune to disease because they were bred to be physically tougher, not mentally capable. Blomkamp explains: “And the ship, when the army generals or the queen of that particular ship died off by some sort of virus or bacteria that they picked up on some other planet, that killed them off. And it didn't effect these sort of resilient, hardy sort of drone workers.”

9) Who built the slums in District 9 right over where the command module fell? Very convenient.

The slums were already there. Many people were relocated from the slums when the prawns first made contact, because rights and property for the prawns was a big issue back then. The only change is that District 9 was segregated and walled off from the rest of society. Explained in the introductory documentary style clips.

10) Why did the prawns not resist? Not all of their weapons were confiscated. They would have easily defeated MNU security forces with their superior weaponry.

Yes, they would have. But without their queen, they were unable to band together any form of effective resistance. Blomkamp explains: “Also, it [the hive mentality] sort of explains why they don't turn on the humans. Individually, they may be feeling oppressed, but they don't have it together enough to form a resistance and back one another. So I found that really interesting.”

11) How were the Nigerian forces able to hold gang operations in District 9 when it is secured by MNU?

District 9 was very loosely secured by MNU. This was exemplified in the movie
by prawns able to sneak out of District 9 although they were prohibited and Wikus easily sneaking into District 9 when he was a fugitive on the run.

12) Why couldn’t any prawns help Christopher gather fuel but his friend and his son? Don’t they want to leave?

The majority of the prawns were worker drones. Without their queen simply seeking survival, unable to formulate any sort of plan. See FAQ #7.

13) Well then why was Christopher so special? I thought the queen (or the leaders) all died. And if he was so sharp, why did it take him 20 years to get his stuff together?

A hive is programmed to adapt a new queen or some sort of leader, but after some time after the queen's death, not right away. Blomkamp explains: “There is a subconscious hive mind happening, really what they should do is lay one egg that has a different embryo in it that grows into a Queen or being someone that dictates direction. But I think in the interim, because they may have done that, there may be an egg out there with that, but as that being is growing, I just like the idea that he may have been a lot more directionless in the beginning. But the hive structure of their society may just pick one or two that starts to become the leader. Like the overall structure of his brain may change because the hive may want that to happen. So he starts having a direction and a goal. Which is an interesting idea and it's just enough to kick start them to be able to get to the ship to get back.”

14) Even so, when Christopher does realize to take action, why are he and his son alone in searching through the heaps of garbage for prawn technology? Why not persuade the rest of the prawn species to help find technology as fast as they can?

Christopher kept his operation extremely secret to ensure that he wouldn't get caught. If caught, he knew MNU agents would confiscate any prawn technology he had no license for, and all of his work would be lost. If he hired hundreds of prawn to help him in his search, at least one would be bound to reveal something to MNU. Hundreds of prawn suspiciously rallying back and forth between a single shack would be a spectacle quite hard to miss. He let one of his trusted friends help him in his search, and even that was dangerous, as shown by the prawn who gets shot in the beginning of the film.

15) Even so, why search through garbage for prawn technology when he could just borrow it from dozens of his friends that have been selling prawn weaponry to the Nigerians?

Christopher probably did not require the materials that constituted prawn weaponry in order to make the fuel. And even if he did, he already obtained all the prawn weaponry he needed because dozens of weapons were shown to be stashed in his shack. He was probably searching for different prawn technology outside the category of weaponry.

16) Why couldn’t Christopher just jack a chopper and fly the mothership away?

The mothership cannot be flown without the command module.

17) Christopher says he needs the fuel to fly the mothership away yet little CJ pilots the mothership from the command module without fuel. What’s that all about?

The mothership already had fuel. See FAQ #2. The fuel Christopher was gathering for 20 years was for the command module. The command module pilots the mothership like a remote control can pilot a toy car. It can also pilot highly armed mech suits.

18) If the mothership needs fuel so badly, how is it hovering above Joburg for two decades? Plot hole!

Once again, the mothership already has fuel. See FAQ #2.

19) So this fuel magically transformed Wikus into a prawn? Very convienient.

The biological goo-like substance containing alien DNA powered most of their technology, such as their weapons and the command module to the mothership. It is based off of prawn DNA, so if exposed to internally, it can actually alter another species’ DNA to integrate that of a prawn.

20) How in the world do Wikus and friends talk to prawns?

The prawns have lived integrated with human society for over 20 years. Because the new species was so heavily impactful, many humans must have learned to understand the prawn language in that time period. Especially hired MNU workers serving as ambassadors between the two species. It is important to note no species learned to speak the other's language, only understand it. Humans did not speak prawn, but they understood it. Prawns did not speak human, but they understood it.

21) Why three years?

No explanation. I guess this is the amount of time Christopher needs to make a round trip to his planet and then back to Earth, with some sort of species saving in the middle.

22) What was the point of attempting to put fuel into the command module and fly up to the mothership if the tractor beam could have just picked it up all along?

The command module controls all of the technology on the mothership. Without fuel in the command module, Christopher would not have been able to activate the tractor beam in the first place.

23) How was the fuel that transformed Wikus' DNA into prawn DNA supposed to fix him? Why won't Christopher just fix him right away? Why wait three years?

Contrary to popular belief, Christopher was not going to use the fuel to fix Wikus. He states that he was going to use the "medical machines" aboard the mothership to fix him. However, the command module controls all of the technology on the mothership, including the medical machines. See FAQ # 22. The reason Christopher did not want to fix Wikus right away is also stated in the movie. He did not want to waste the command module's fuel activating anything besides what was absolutely necessary to get them back to their home planet.

24) What were those scorpion-like creatures duking it out in the little arena? Those definitely weren't from Earth. Are they baby prawns?

They were not baby prawns. Actually, they were the prawn equivalent of pests or rodents found aboard the mothership.

25) Why didn't the rest of the world powers step in to organize and take control of the prawn situation? After all, this is first contact, a worldwide historical event.

As historical as the event is, it does not change the fact that the mothership landed in South African territory, which legally leaves the prawn situation in South Africa's control. To take control of the prawn situation, a nation would have to invade a Democratic state, losing favor on the global scale.

26) I don’t like the main character. He aborted alien babies. He threatened to take Christopher’s kid away. He hit Christopher with a shovel or a gun or something. He killed innocent MNU agents. He’s a jerk!

Okay.

Sources:
District 9 the movie
District 9 imdb trivia section
http://io9.com/5331799/district-9s-d...ien-back-story

Groucho 08-21-09 08:06 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
I was hoping the kid would exclaim "this is UNIX!" before using the ship's computer.

Michael Corvin 08-21-09 08:32 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by RD1973 (Post 9657280)
Well, as they were contemplating breaking into MNU, I realized the more realistic decision would have been not to attempt it. They could have stayed in D9 eating garbage for the rest of the movie.

But I also realize that A) That's not the movie I wanted to see, and B) honestly, I would have tried it too. Life in D9 is no life at all.

Not exactly what I was getting at. Getting the vial is essential, I understand that. I found it absurd that you have this giant MNU corporation dealing with these aliens and one walks in the front door and proceeds to just march down 12 stories to steal exactly what they need with no interruptions. Only until they got the vial were they conveniently attacked, cue cool escape sequence!


Originally Posted by RD1973 (Post 9657280)
Also, maybe I'm wrong but the way I remember it, Cristopher used a bomb. He didn't make it.

That may be but I'm pretty sure Christopher actually said (via subtitles) that he was going to make a bomb. He grabs the shit on the table, they run out the door and voila, instaBomb.

The Bus 08-21-09 09:01 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 9660164)
I was hoping the kid would exclaim "this is UNIX!" before using the ship's computer.

:lol:

And while I liked the movie a lot and think Blomkamp is going to do amazing things, it's a bit odd that a huge FAQ is needed to make sense of the movie when it was so straightforward in a lot of ways (this isn't Eraserhead).

Draven 08-21-09 10:21 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 9660246)
:lol:

And while I liked the movie a lot and think Blomkamp is going to do amazing things, it's a bit odd that a huge FAQ is needed to make sense of the movie when it was so straightforward in a lot of ways (this isn't Eraserhead).

After reading the FAQ, the only thing I learned was a couple of nitpicky things that didn't need to be explained. Everything else I understood from the movie itself.

For example, the question about how the ship has hovered for 20 years. I didn't think about that at all. They made it very clear the fuel was for the small ship, I didn't think for a moment that the big ship was out of fuel too.

That's like someone asking Han Solo to explain the hyperdrive before he uses it. Sure there might be an explanation (and one has been given in the non-movie materials) but it's not necessary for the story.

project86 08-21-09 11:52 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
I feel bad for the guy who got his cellphone stolen. He wasn't very popular was he? The only person that called the phone was his wife and who knows how she got the number!

But really, this was my favorite movie this summer. I'm glad Halo didn't get made and I hope they don't continue with it since this was a hit.

devilshalo 08-21-09 12:32 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I found it absurd that you have this giant MNU corporation dealing with these aliens and one walks in the front door and proceeds to just march down 12 stories to steal exactly what they need with no interruptions.

If anything.. I would think most of the security resources were out looking for Wikus. I doubt they expected him to show up at MNU. And that one could compare MNU to the prawn hive... a bunch of peons that were escaping a building under terrorist threat.


Originally Posted by project86 (Post 9660647)
I feel bad for the guy who got his cellphone stolen. He wasn't very popular was he? The only person that called the phone was his wife and who knows how she got the number!

Wikus had probably left a message to call that number.

HistoryProf 08-21-09 05:54 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
caught a matinee of this today and have to say it's easily the best movie i've seen at the multiplex in a long long time...just riveting from the first frame and a ton of fun along the way. For those complaining it was illogical, I'm not sure how to respond...one of D9's overall strengths was the story in addition to the fantastic alternate reality it was set in...great story, great aliens, smart writing, awesome alien guns...what else could you ask for?

The best part is it is 10 times the movie Transformers 2, T4, or any of the other big budget fuck ups this year at a fraction of the budget. I hope hollywood pays attention to that part...a good story goes a long way.

HistoryProf 08-21-09 06:14 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 9639486)
Another case I am sure of doing a negative review to get attention.

eta:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1897/...isntinsane.jpg

is that real? seriously? I knew he was a self righteous contrarian jagoff, but i didn't realize it was THAT bad. what a moron :lol:

RD1973 08-21-09 06:28 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 9660202)
Not exactly what I was getting at. Getting the vial is essential, I understand that. I found it absurd that you have this giant MNU corporation dealing with these aliens and one walks in the front door and proceeds to just march down 12 stories to steal exactly what they need with no interruptions. Only until they got the vial were they conveniently attacked, cue cool escape sequence!



That may be but I'm pretty sure Christopher actually said (via subtitles) that he was going to make a bomb. He grabs the shit on the table, they run out the door and voila, instaBomb.

Well in reality, most of the employees would just run away scared like they did in the movie. And it would take security some time to get to Wikus and Christopher. Plus, they have the element of surprise. Getting in wouldn't be the problem. The problem would be getting out.

As for the bomb, I'm pretty sure he just bundled some alien grenades together.

The only eye-rolling parts were that Wikus' password to get into the different rooms still worked. And that a car with unlocked doors and the key in the ignition was waiting for them in the garage. But I let that stuff go. I've seen it so many times, I'd probably be thrown off if it didn't happen.

RD1973 08-21-09 06:43 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 9660246)
:lol:

And while I liked the movie a lot and think Blomkamp is going to do amazing things, it's a bit odd that a huge FAQ is needed to make sense of the movie when it was so straightforward in a lot of ways (this isn't Eraserhead).


After reading the FAQ, I realized that pretty much all my assumptions were correct. Its all there in the movie. You just have to be paying attention.

Also, do people really come up with these huge lists of potential plot-holes as they watch a movie? Unless a movie is just garbage (TF 2), I just assume this is the way it went down. Things could have been done differently. But this is the way it turned out. I don't second guess every move a character makes. It seems to me that some people go into a movie to nit-pick everything.

porieux 08-21-09 08:47 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 9660246)
:lol:

And while I liked the movie a lot and think Blomkamp is going to do amazing things, it's a bit odd that a huge FAQ is needed to make sense of the movie when it was so straightforward in a lot of ways (this isn't Eraserhead).

I wouldn't say it's needed, it's for people who have questions or want to know more.

AnonomusBob15 08-24-09 12:08 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
finally saw it and really liked it. Had a lot more dramatic punch then I expected, so that came as a surprise, but the film overall was great science-fiction. Definate purchase.

Troy Stiffler 08-24-09 12:35 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
Good movie. A lot of it worked well. But there was plenty of 'glossing over' going on. A lot of build up and exposition seems like it was cut (whether or not it was ever filmed).

It's strong point was how ... matter-of-fact sci-fi ... it was. We're introduced after the fact that aliens came to earth. And most everything is just happening during regular life. There weren't mystical occurances. The aliens needed our help. Seems mostly original to me.

Superboy 08-24-09 02:17 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
I thought the biggest, most glaring plot hole was that the alien computer displayed english characters and numbers.

superdeluxe 08-24-09 03:10 AM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 
So question in the end

Spoiler:
Does wikus still maintain his intelligence? Or is a drone like the others?

project86 08-24-09 05:35 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 9664653)
So question in the end

Spoiler:
Does wikus still maintain his intelligence? Or is a drone like the others?

Spoiler:
I think he did, I mean he made a flower for his wife, and since they mention at the beginning that he made his own gifts for her... well at least we know he's got his memories.

Numanoid 08-24-09 06:12 PM

Re: District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009) — Ex-Halo director fleshes out "Alive in Joburg"
 

Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 9664653)
So question in the end

Spoiler:
Does wikus still maintain his intelligence? Or is a drone like the others?

Spoiler:
No reason to believe he doesn't have his full human intelligence. And why would the fuel make him a drone, necessarily, and not a leader?
Spoiler:
Do we really need to still use spoilers?


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