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Even though Button had 1 more win, I'd say Milk's victories for Actor and Screenplay probably put it 2nd in the voting for Picture.

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And so it continues...Penn and politics?

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Final Tally...also in 1st post.


Best motion picture of the year
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, A Kennedy/Marshall Production...
• Frost/Nixon, A Universal Pictures, Imagine Entertainment and Working Title Production...
• Milk, A Groundswell and Jinks/Cohen Company Production, Dan Jinks and Bruce Cohen, Producers
• The Reader, A Mirage Enterprises and Neunte Babelsberg Film GmbH Production
• Slumdog Millionaire, A Celador Films Production, Christian Colson, Producer

Performance by an actor in a leading role
• Richard Jenkins in The Visitor
• Frank Langella in Frost/Nixon
• Sean Penn in Milk
• Brad Pitt in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
• Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler

Performance by an actor in a supporting role
• Josh Brolin in Milk
• Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder
• Philip Seymour Hoffman in Doubt
• Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight
• Michael Shannon in Revolutionary Road

Performance by an actress in a leading role
• Anne Hathaway in Rachel Getting Married
• Angelina Jolie in Changeling
• Melissa Leo in Frozen River
• Meryl Streep in Doubt
• Kate Winslet in The Reader

Performance by an actress in a supporting role
• Amy Adams in Doubt
• Penélope Cruz in Vicky Cristina Barcelona
• Viola Davis in Doubt
• Taraji P. Henson in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
• Marisa Tomei in The Wrestler

Best animated feature film of the year
• Bolt, Chris Williams and Byron Howard
• Kung Fu Panda, John Stevenson and Mark Osborne
• WALL•E, Andrew Stanton

Achievement in directing
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, David Fincher
• Frost/Nixon, Ron Howard
• Milk, Gus Van Sant
• The Reader, Stephen Daldry
• Slumdog Millionaire, Danny Boyle

Achievement in art direction
• Changeling, Art Direction: James J. Murakami, Set Decoration: Gary Fettis
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Art Direction: Donald Graham Burt, Set Decoration: Victor J. Zolfo
• The Dark Knight, Art Direction: Nathan Crowley, Set Decoration: Peter Lando
• The Duchess, Art Direction: Michael Carlin, Set Decoration: Rebecca Alleway
• Revolutionary Road, Art Direction: Kristi Zea, Set Decoration: Debra Schutt

Achievement in cinematography
• Changeling, Tom Stern
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Claudio Miranda
• The Dark Knight, Wally Pfister
• The Reader, Chris Menges and Roger Deakins
• Slumdog Millionaire, Anthony Dod Mantle

Achievement in costume design
• Australia, Catherine Martin
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Jacqueline West
• The Duchess, Michael O’Connor
• Milk, Danny Glicker
• Revolutionary Road, Albert Wolsky

Best documentary feature
• The Betrayal (Nerakhoon), Ellen Kuras and Thavisouk Phrasavath
• Encounters at the End of the World, Werner Herzog and Henry Kaiser
• The Garden, Scott Hamilton Kennedy
• Man on Wire, James Marsh and Simon Chinn
• Trouble the Water, Tia Lessin and Carl Deal

Best documentary short subject
• The Conscience of Nhem En, Steven Okazaki
• The Final Inch, Irene Taylor Brodsky and Tom Grant
• Smile Pinki A Principe Production, Megan Mylan
• The Witness - From the Balcony of Room 306, Adam Pertofsky and Margaret Hyde

Achievement in film editing
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall
• The Dark Knight, Lee Smith
• Frost/Nixon, Mike Hill and Dan Hanley
• Milk, Elliot Graham
• Slumdog Millionaire, Chris Dickens

Best foreign language film of the year
• The Baader Meinhof Complex, Germany
• The Class, France
• Departures, Japan
• Revanche, Austria
• Waltz with Bashir, Israel

Achievement in makeup
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Greg Cannom
• The Dark Knight, John Caglione, Jr. and Conor O’Sullivan
• Hellboy II: The Golden Army, Mike Elizalde and Thom Floutz

Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Alexandre Desplat
• Defiance, James Newton Howard
• Milk, Danny Elfman
• Slumdog Millionaire, A.R. Rahman
• WALL•E, Thomas Newman

Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original song)
• “Down to Earth” from WALL•E, Music by Peter Gabriel and Thomas Newman, Lyric by Peter Gabriel
• “Jai Ho” from Slumdog Millionaire, Music by A.R. Rahman, Lyric by Gulzar
• “O Saya” from Slumdog Millionaire, Music and Lyric by A.R. Rahman and Maya Arulpragasam

Best animated short film
• La Maison en Petits Cubes, Kunio Kato
• Lavatory - Lovestory, Konstantin Bronzit
• Oktapodi, Emud Mokhberi and Thierry Marchand
• Presto, Doug Sweetland
• This Way Up, Alan Smith and Adam Foulkes

Best live action short film
• Auf der Strecke (On the Line), Reto Caffi
• Manon on the Asphalt, Elizabeth Marre and Olivier Pont
• New Boy, Steph Green and Tamara Anghie
• The Pig, Tivi Magnusson and Dorte Høgh
• Spielzeugland (Toyland), Jochen Alexander Freydank

Achievement in sound editing
• The Dark Knight, Richard King
• Iron Man, Frank Eulner and Christopher Boyes
• Slumdog Millionaire, Tom Sayers
• WALL•E, Ben Burtt and Matthew Wood
• Wanted, Wylie Stateman

Achievement in sound mixing
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, David Parker, Michael Semanick, Ren Klyce and Mark Weingarten
• The Dark Knight, Lora Hirschberg, Gary Rizzo and Ed Novick
• Slumdog Millionaire, Ian Tapp, Richard Pryke and Resul Pookutty
• WALL•E, Tom Myers, Michael Semanick and Ben Burtt
• Wanted, Chris Jenkins, Frank A. Montaño and Petr Forejt

Achievement in visual effects
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Eric Barba, Steve Preeg, Burt Dalton and Craig Barron
• The Dark Knight, Nick Davis, Chris Corbould, Tim Webber and Paul Franklin
• Iron Man, John Nelson, Ben Snow, Dan Sudick and Shane Mahan

Adapted screenplay
• The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Screenplay by Eric Roth, Screen story by Eric Roth and Robin Swicord
• Doubt, Written by John Patrick Shanley
• Frost/Nixon, Screenplay by Peter Morgan
• The Reader, Screenplay by David Hare
• Slumdog Millionaire, Screenplay by Simon Beaufoy

Original screenplay
• Frozen River, Written by Courtney Hunt
• Happy-Go-Lucky, Written by Mike Leigh
• In Bruges, Written by Martin McDonagh
• Milk, Written by Dustin Lance Black
• WALL•E, Screenplay by Andrew Stanton, Jim Reardon, Original story by Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter

Re: The 81st Academy Awards — 2008 Awards Show Discussion.
 

Rouke.... please hit him

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The gays may not be able to get married but they got this award so thats something I guess.

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Well, now I really don't care that my recording just ran out.

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Really? Should that be what they base the awards on? I hate that way of thinking.

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I saw it. I wasn't wowed.

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Wow, a smug political statement and then a condescending "props" to Rourke.

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QFT

Penn was good, but not great. He got completely overshadowed in that movie by Brolin and Franco. I swear. Milk WAS excellent, natch, but The Wrestler (and Rourke's performance) was legendary. Easily the biggest Academy fuck-up since Chicago winning Best Picture.

I love Sean Penn, no doubt, he's been great in everything from Taps and Bad Boys up to now, but Jesus, we get the point. Proposition 8 sucks ass. It's like that line in Burn After Reading John Malkovich says about getting demoted in the CIA is "political." Which this shit most certainly is.

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Cool, Spielberg presenting.

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What's with all the hate?! You guys are maybe too much in love with a comeback....

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Well apparently while Penn is allowed his viewpoint on gay marriage and is proud of it, everyone else is wrong and not allowed to have an opposing viewpoint....and should be admonished for it.

Sean: The ballot was voted on and lost..go spend some more money campainging for it next year! Just claim the damn prop 8 award and be done with it, 'Comrade'

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When are we going to get another Spielberg movie that's nominated for something?

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Methinks in about 17 minutes Tony Scott is going to get a phone call.

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I wouldn't call him undeserving, just less deserving than Rourke. I know the Academy are suckers for a biopic, and I did think Penn was great, but he had a template of a real character to build off.

I think what Rourke created was more difficult and impressive. I could see someone else pulling off a very strong Harvey Milk performance (not as good), but I cannot fathom anyone but Rourke as Randy the Ram.

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they are actually quite good friends, so i don't think it was demeaning in any way. it was from the heart and very sincere.

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No, we just appreciate better performances by an actor more deserving of a win.

I don't like Sean Penn. I didn't like Milk.

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Penn should defend that award at Wrestlemania in a ladder match

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I just recently saw "Milk", and immediately after thought to myself "well fark, there goes Rourke's oscar". :(

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This from the guy who goes to Venzuela and praises Chavez. Who routinely goes after those who oppose him.

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And the winner is Frost/Nixon! (Everyone in audience shits pants)

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12 Angry Men was a movie?

D

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This is Hollywood we're talking about ;)

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Maybe they shouldn't, but I really wanted Rourke to win.

I thought Penn's performance was great, but Rourke's performance was thing thing I will remember most about 2008 in film.

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Huh!? Just how was that condescending? I thought it was very nice. He didn't even acknowledge the other actors.

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The safest director in the world presenting... does that mean the film by the 2nd safest director in the world (Ron Howard) will win?

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Could you imagine if Aronofsky had went with Cage instead?

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Slumdog 8 (after it wins Picture)
Button 3
Milk 2
TDK 2
The Reader, Wall-E, everything else 1

Doubt 0/5
Frost/Nixon 0/5

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WTF, somebody really f'ed up and got footage from other movies mixed in with the best picture nominees.

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I certainly would. It's my favorite, but it has no chance.

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Wow, a Braveheart clip in the Harvey Milk montage. Talk about opposites.

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Good Will Hunting for some reason...

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But you point out that u didn't like neither the actor nor the movie.

You don't like it, that's fine. But it doesn't make your choice better.

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If that did happen, obviously The Wrestler wouldn't have been more than a blip on the radar.

I think it's a shame that it's possible Rourke's 'persona' might have swayed voters in any way, his performance was unbelievable and I think he earned it.

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Those were previous best pic winners too.

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Sure it does. Most people tend to agree.

Rourke's performance in The Wrestler was miles over Penn's in Milk.

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Completely agree... it's not that Penn wasn't deserving, many (including me) thought Rourke was better and it was the politics of the film which gave him the nod. I would not be stunned to hear MILK right now (though slumdog will probablt get it)

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Weird, I figured you were doing that this year.

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Nice.

Personally, I'd KILL to see a movie where Penn and Rourke in an epic Heat-like crime saga. THAT would rule.

Still, it's probably Rourke's dramatic return to the mainstream that will solidify his placement there. He's not getting trapped in DTV hell any time soon.

P.S.: I thought the Academy would grow a pair of balls after last year's ceremony where every winner deserved it. They just set everything back to the early 90's. Jesus.