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hasslein 09-26-08 07:54 PM

Best Planet of the Apes Sequel
 
With the upcoming Blu set, and the original version of Conquest making its debut, I was wondering what is the favorite of the Planet of the Apes sequels.

Maxflier 09-26-08 08:03 PM

Escape From the Planet of the Apes is my favorite of the sequels. I love them all though.

Quack 09-26-08 08:09 PM

I went with Conquest, I always like the revolt of it.

Mondo Kane 09-26-08 08:13 PM

Voted for Conquest of the Pklanet of the Apes.

jeffkjoe 09-26-08 08:17 PM

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (1971) is best out of the four sequels.

All the others, Beneath, Conquest, and Battle are so damned boring!

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (1971) is funny, it's charming, and plus you just can't beat the chemistry between Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter. This was the only film in which the two actors were together after the original.

The opening is cool too, when they emerge out of Charlton Heston's old space vehicle, take off their helmets and reveal themselves to the 1971 Earth humans, and the uber-cool 1970's jazz music plays in the background.

The Antipodean 09-26-08 08:42 PM

Beneath -- just because that ending is so darned bleak it's kind of amazing, and there's a nihilism to the whole show that impresses me.

hasslein 09-26-08 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Kane (Post 8966019)
Voted for Conquest of the Pklanet of the Apes.

I couldn't figure out how to change the typo. :blush:

hasslein 09-26-08 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by jeffkjoe (Post 8966033)
ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (1971) is best out of the four sequels.


The opening is cool too, when they emerge out of Charlton Heston's old space vehicle, take off their helmets and reveal themselves to the 1971 Earth humans, and the uber-cool 1970's jazz music plays in the background.

I think the music is dated and detracts from the experience. I know, it's Jerry Goldsmith, but I despise that opening theme. I love the film, though.

Conquest had such a different look to it, and really took the series to a place I never expected, making POTA the most diverse movie series ever IMHO.

Maxflier 09-26-08 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by jeffkjoe (Post 8966033)
ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (1971) is best out of the four sequels.


Cast your vote!
I'm still the only vote so far for Escape :helpme:

inri222 09-26-08 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc (Post 8966115)
Beneath -- just because that ending is so darned bleak it's kind of amazing, and there's a nihilism to the whole show that impresses me.

:thumbsup:

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Boba Fett 09-26-08 11:01 PM

Escape, followed by Conquest and Beneath (soley for the apeshit (pun intended) conclusion).

Matthew Chmiel 09-27-08 01:07 AM

1) Escape

2) Conquest

3) Beneath

4) Battle

Tim Burton's "remake" never happened.

ardathbey 09-27-08 04:20 AM

I went with Escape. I kind of think Beneath was an abomination but sometimes I dig that. That said I like Escape out of the sequels because it did a great job of "fixing" what went wrong with Beneath.

Hasslein (or anyone who can answer) what do you mean by "original Conquest making its debut"? Is it going to be different from the last set that came in the Ape Bust?

hasslein 09-27-08 04:29 AM

Yes, it's the more violent preview cut, 8 minutes longer, and trims the tacked on ADR in the climax of the film, at the end of Caesar's speech, where he backs down from his calling for ultimate bloodshed against the human race. Both versions will be on the disc, but word is it will only be on BD, no SD planned.

fiver 09-27-08 06:55 AM

POTA has always been one of my favorite series of movies. That said, I've never understood some of the animosity towards Beneath. I'd rank them as:

1) Beneath
2) Conquest (very close)
3) Escape (has some good parts but not nearly as good as the first two)
4) Battle (Another step down the ladder, merely a retread of Beneath with a lower budget and worse acting)

I've always wanted to see the original ending of Conquest - I didn't think it really existed though - I'll be upset if it is Blu only though.

Michael

calhoun07 09-27-08 09:05 AM

Escape wins easily for me. I didn't even take a moment to consider any of the other titles. I loved that movie ever since I was a wee lad.

I don't think the Tim Burton version counts as a sequel, though.

One thing I did notice when watching them back to back on DVD, though (sans the Burton version) is that it seems once you are done with the last one, it feels like the first one picks up where the last one left off...kind of making the first one feel like a sequel of the last one.

So Battle For the Planet of the Apes is actually a prequel, if I recall right. It may not have been a great movie, but it gives the series a complete feel to me.

dhmac 09-27-08 09:16 AM

Oops! (I missed the message describing the original ending of Conquest)

I voted Beneath - just love that nihilistic ending (and having more Heston if only for a few minutes of screen time).

(The only real drawbacks with Beneath for me are the lack of Roddy McDowall, the cheap extra's masks, and the too thinly disguised "Vietnam protesters". Despite these flaws, it still has, IMO, the best storyline of all the sequels.)

orderandlaw 09-27-08 11:34 AM

Beneath the Planet of the Apes, with the Bomb Hymns and all that jazz...

milo bloom 09-27-08 11:43 AM

I love the social commentary of Escape, though the riot scenes in Conquest are pretty chilling.

Charlie Goose 09-27-08 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 8966702)
1) Escape

2) Conquest

3) Beneath

4) Battle

Tim Burton's "remake" never happened.

Agree with your order.

What Tim Burton remake?
LA LA LA LA LA Never heard of it LA LA LA LA Nope LA LA LA LA

naitram 09-27-08 01:39 PM

Conquest

hasslein 09-27-08 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 8966908)
I don't think the Tim Burton version counts as a sequel, though.

I wanted to find out what was the favorite of the films other than the original, because obviously it would have run away with the poll. I don't consider it a sequel, but wanted to be all inclusive. I guess I could have added the TV series & animated series, but this is movie talk after all....

TheNightFlier 09-27-08 02:55 PM

Conquest was always my favorite.

calhoun07 09-27-08 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by hasslein (Post 8967302)
I wanted to find out what was the favorite of the films other than the original, ....

Speaking for myself, I rather enjoyed Tim Burton's take on it, and wished it had done better so we could have gotten a sequel...I'd love to see him continue the re imagining of that world.

But compared to the other films....I'd still place the original at top, Escape second, Beneath third, and then I'd plug Burton's version in the list, and then Conquest, and last but not least: Battle.

huh? 09-27-08 04:24 PM

I liked the Burton version. Guess that makes me an ass.

chris_sc77 09-27-08 04:28 PM

I liked the Burton remake as well. It was competent and entertaining. Not a great film like the original but it didn't try to be. The ending made no sense except to set up a sequel that we will never see.

The best sequel is Escape from.....

hasslein 09-28-08 12:03 AM

I thought it was so funny that Fox included a card in the dvd release explaining the ending of the Burton film. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. A lot of people complain about the ending, but that was the only part of the film that worked for me. (And the opening credit sequence) The original couldn't have been topped, so the nod to the book was the best possible way to go. Other than making a sequel, which is the path that should have been taken IMHO.

clckworang 09-28-08 03:19 AM

It would be between Escape and Conquest for me. I like how much more bleak and violent Conquest is, though I admit Escape might be a better film. I guess I'll vote Conquest.

wm lopez 09-28-08 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by hasslein (Post 8968360)
I thought it was so funny that Fox included a card in the dvd release explaining the ending of the Burton film. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. A lot of people complain about the ending, but that was the only part of the film that worked for me. (And the opening credit sequence) The original couldn't have been topped, so the nod to the book was the best possible way to go. Other than making a sequel, which is the path that should have been taken IMHO.

What did the card say?
And what was the ending in the book?

hasslein 09-28-08 08:51 PM

The Card is titled
TIME DOES NOT TRAVEL IN A STRAIGHT LINE THROUGH AN ELECTROMAGNETIC STORM

An illustration of this idea is underneath then ten plot points are listed.
Spoiler:
1. Pericles leaves Oberon to investigate electromagnetic Storm
2. Minutes Later Leo leaves the Oberon in search of Pericles
3.A Short time after, Oberon searches for Leo and Pericles
4. Pericles returns to Oberon crash site in Alpha pod shortly after Leo
5. Leo crash lands Delta Pod on Ape planet
6. Oberon crashes thousands of years before Leo arrives and apes take over planet
7. Leo leaves Ape planet in Alpha pod in an attempt to return home
8.Is it possible someone or something left the Ape planet in Delta pod after Leo?
9. Leo returns to earth
10. Is it possible someone or something arrives on Earth many years before Leo?


The end of the novel in a nutshell-

Spoiler:
The astronaut escapes the planet and returns to Earth. When he arrives, an ape awaits him in the landing area. Earth has been taken over by apes as well.

Sean O'Hara 09-28-08 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by hasslein (Post 8969887)
The end of the novel in a nutshell-

Spoiler:
The astronaut escapes the planet and returns to Earth. When he arrives, an ape awaits him in the landing area. Earth has been taken over by apes as well.

You forgot the double twist at the end.

Spoiler:
The book begins with a framing story about a couple on vacation aboard a space yacht, who find a mysterious bottle floating in space with a manuscript inside. At the end of the book, we return to the couple, who have a good laugh after reading the story -- imagine, humans building spaceships! What a preposterous joke!


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