The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
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Yeah, funding for a new Tumbler wouldn't make anyone associate Bruce and Batman. I'd hope they do some sort of follow up on Reese since he is the one to discover that fact.
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Reese is probably his own personal money launderer at this point. Which makes sense. Bruce can't be totally focused on being Batman if he needs to design his new gear and hide his financial paper trail from the board. That's where Fox and Reese come in. Alfred is his PR man. The ballerina is his beard.
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Given that he's still early in his career, the Batmobile was formed from a single-instance prototype vehicle, and in the TDK he's already operating with an alternate batcave, I don't think it's unreasonable that there was no backup batmobile.
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Reese is probably his own personal money launderer at this point. Which makes sense. Bruce can't be totally focused on being Batman if he needs to design his new gear and hide his financial paper trail from the board. That's where Fox and Reese come in. Alfred is his PR man. The ballerina is his beard.
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"Keep your enemies closer," as it were.
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Certainly others in the company SAW the Tumbler sitting there in the building at some point. Someone also had to engineer, design, and build it, and Reese is the only one that connected the dots when he saw the blueprints! Fox looked like he didn't even realize the blueprints were there, or why else would he leave them in a storage cabinet somewhere.
Now, given that Bruce has driven a different Lambo in both movies I tend to think the next Batmobile will be styled more like a fast sports car.
Now, given that Bruce has driven a different Lambo in both movies I tend to think the next Batmobile will be styled more like a fast sports car.
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Certainly others in the company SAW the Tumbler sitting there in the building at some point. Someone also had to engineer, design, and build it, and Reese is the only one that connected the dots when he saw the blueprints! Fox looked like he didn't even realize the blueprints were there, or why else would he leave them in a storage cabinet somewhere.
There's no way in hell that that thing would exist without at least like 20 people devoting months of their lives getting it to the prototype stage. Just think of what it would have taken for the thing to be physically assembled and ask yourself if it's even remotely believable that only one person would remember it. I also know almost nothing about engineering but I do know that behind every single component is an engineer agonizing over every little detail. Next time you get in your car look at the cupholder and realize that some guy spent months of his life dealing with whether or not it had enough room for the handle of your coffee mug.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, it was painted a different color.
This one particular flaw is a perfect example of how Nolan's approach to the character is all wrong. You don't ask yourself where the Batmobile comes from in other movies but when you have Nolan forcing "THIS IS THE REALISTIC AND SERIOUS VERSION OF BATMAN!" down your throat asking those kinds of questions is an undesirable side-effect.
The super-seriousness is also why Christian Bale's performance in "TDK" was one of the comedy sensations of '08.
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Eh, I'm OK with it. Could it have been handled better? Sure. I remember reading one Batman comic about his origin in which Bruce broke into Wayne Enterprises and stole the equipment he needed. But overall as a Batman fan, I loved what Nolan has done with the character and re-energizing a franchise that was made a mockery by Schumacher.
#1535
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It's better than one comic book origin where a stunt car driver single-handedly built the Batmobile as a favor for Batman. Ignoring how long it took him to put it together, no one saw him test it?
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I don't get the issue here. Suppose Wayne Enterprises commissioned the design and build of a prototype "military" vehicle. Later, it comes out that it's Batman's vehicle of choice. So the 20-200 people that designed and built it assume Wayne Enterprises sold it to the highest bidder... Batman. It's not much of a stretch.
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Agreed. If I worked on a project like that and found out that Batman was driving it, I would assume he bought or stole it from my company. My logical conclusion would probably not be "OMG my CEO playboy millionnaire boss is a crime-fighter that looks like a bat!".
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I don't get the issue here. Suppose Wayne Enterprises commissioned the design and build of a prototype "military" vehicle. Later, it comes out that it's Batman's vehicle of choice. So the 20-200 people that designed and built it assume Wayne Enterprises sold it to the highest bidder... Batman. It's not much of a stretch.
As an engineer who works in the defense industry, I had no problem with this in Batman Begins.
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That actually works in the comics (and there was a similar version in B:TAS, though the episode was pretty average) because again, Nolan is the only one that attempts to explain these things in the first place.
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I don't get the issue here. Suppose Wayne Enterprises commissioned the design and build of a prototype "military" vehicle. Later, it comes out that it's Batman's vehicle of choice. So the 20-200 people that designed and built it assume Wayne Enterprises sold it to the highest bidder... Batman. It's not much of a stretch.
A guy like Reese in their pocket would make it even more ironclad.
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I never really thought about it, but I am curious to see what (if anything) they do with a character like Reese, if he'll be an asset for Batman next time around.
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I don't get the issue here. Suppose Wayne Enterprises commissioned the design and build of a prototype "military" vehicle. Later, it comes out that it's Batman's vehicle of choice. So the 20-200 people that designed and built it assume Wayne Enterprises sold it to the highest bidder... Batman. It's not much of a stretch.
I can totally see that not raising any issues ....
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Except that the raw materials the guy would need for such a vehicle would likey turn some heads (unless Batman had upgraded it himself after he fact).
Exactly. And should Wayne enterprises come under scrutiny, a dummy paper trail of this alleged buyer would have taken care of that. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan all along given how relaxed Fox was when Reese tried to blackmail him. Sure he gave him that funny speech but I bet Fox and Bruce already took care of the paper trail just in case.
A guy like Reese in their pocket would make it even more ironclad.
Exactly. And should Wayne enterprises come under scrutiny, a dummy paper trail of this alleged buyer would have taken care of that. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan all along given how relaxed Fox was when Reese tried to blackmail him. Sure he gave him that funny speech but I bet Fox and Bruce already took care of the paper trail just in case.
A guy like Reese in their pocket would make it even more ironclad.
B. Batman must have A LOT of money given his toys, one of a kind vehicles
C. Bruce Wayne has been declared DEAD for seven years
D. Bruce Wayne RETURNS to Gotham, the same time Batman pops up
Yea, a 'dummy trail' isn't going to stump many people man. Even the guy with Bruce's coat is going to figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman, or that Bruce and his company are backing a known vigilante.
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That was one of the biggest of many flaws in the first movie and the way it was addressed in the sequel was such a cop-out that Nolan would have been better off just leaving it be.
There's no way in hell that that thing would exist without at least like 20 people devoting months of their lives getting it to the prototype stage. Just think of what it would have taken for the thing to be physically assembled and ask yourself if it's even remotely believable that only one person would remember it. I also know almost nothing about engineering but I do know that behind every single component is an engineer agonizing over every little detail. Next time you get in your car look at the cupholder and realize that some guy spent months of his life dealing with whether or not it had enough room for the handle of your coffee mug.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, it was painted a different color.
This one particular flaw is a perfect example of how Nolan's approach to the character is all wrong. You don't ask yourself where the Batmobile comes from in other movies but when you have Nolan forcing "THIS IS THE REALISTIC AND SERIOUS VERSION OF BATMAN!" down your throat asking those kinds of questions is an undesirable side-effect.
The super-seriousness is also why Christian Bale's performance in "TDK" was one of the comedy sensations of '08.
There's no way in hell that that thing would exist without at least like 20 people devoting months of their lives getting it to the prototype stage. Just think of what it would have taken for the thing to be physically assembled and ask yourself if it's even remotely believable that only one person would remember it. I also know almost nothing about engineering but I do know that behind every single component is an engineer agonizing over every little detail. Next time you get in your car look at the cupholder and realize that some guy spent months of his life dealing with whether or not it had enough room for the handle of your coffee mug.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, it was painted a different color.
This one particular flaw is a perfect example of how Nolan's approach to the character is all wrong. You don't ask yourself where the Batmobile comes from in other movies but when you have Nolan forcing "THIS IS THE REALISTIC AND SERIOUS VERSION OF BATMAN!" down your throat asking those kinds of questions is an undesirable side-effect.
The super-seriousness is also why Christian Bale's performance in "TDK" was one of the comedy sensations of '08.
It's like, how come Clark Kent fools everyone by just putting on glasses....
A creative way to deal with this issue.