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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

The Burton Batmans are typical of Burton movies. Great to look at, sometimes gleefully macabre, but woefully underwritten, poorly edited, and narratively thin.
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I hated BR from day 1, so I guess I was hip before the rest of you
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The biggest problem I have with Batman Returns is that regardless of indoor or outdoor scenes, it looks like it was shot on an interior soundstage and not in anything resembling a city. For that reason the whole thing feels off and fake, harder to suspend disbelief.

The whole thing was indeed shot indoors but they didn't do anything to hide that fact.

The first film was shot on English studio lots but it had natural light and (typically cloudy) skies. A minor detail but an important one.
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I've only seen Batman Returns once in my adult life after revisiting it for the first time since I was a kid...and man, nothing about that movie has any redeeming values. I can still enjoy Batman '89 for it's cheesiness and for Nicholson but that's about it.
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Little surprised to see the backlash against the Burton films... I think age has added more charm to them. It was obvious back then they were using models, etc. It's about the atmosphere and characters.

So, for those who don't like the fantastical Burton films, or the serious Nolan films... do you want something in the middle, like the Arkham games? I certainly wouldn't mind, I think that's the logical progression for the character.
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Batman '89 hasn't aged well at all. Batman Returns is a great German Expressionist homage. It's meant to look artificial. It also has a great psychological component with Catwoman/Penguin/Batman as id/ego/supergo. And Walken as Max Schrek (the name of the actor who played Nosferatu) looking like he stepped off the set of the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. No, Batman Returns is definitely awesome. It's way better if you think of it as a Burton film that happens to have Batman in it.
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I don't think the art direction is necessarily the issue (with me anyway). I love cold and the gothic look of the first one and even some of the winter scenes of Returns.. but as a whole? They're just not very good movies.
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Batman '89 hasn't aged well at all. Batman Returns is a great German Expressionist homage. It's meant to look artificial. It also has a great psychological component with Catwoman/Penguin/Batman as id/ego/supergo. And Walken as Max Schrek (the name of the actor who played Nosferatu) looking like he stepped off the set of the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. No, Batman Returns is definitely awesome. It's way better if you think of it as a Burton film that happens to have Batman in it.
So I should view it as if Fritz Lang directed it?
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I think what I would like best is something that has the tone/atmosphere of TAS, if that makes sense.
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Also Batman Returns has Danny Elfman's best score, imo.
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I like Batman 89 much more then Returns, I think the style helps prevent it from making it too dated.
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Also Batman Returns has Danny Elfman's best score, imo.
Hmmmm. I think the BR soundtrack is very good and definitely one of my favorite Elfman scores but (for me) his best score is Edward Scissorhands. Sometimes on cold lonely nights, I'll turn it up and cry a little.
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Originally Posted by Supermallet View Post
Batman '89 hasn't aged well at all. Batman Returns is a great German Expressionist homage. It's meant to look artificial. It also has a great psychological component with Catwoman/Penguin/Batman as id/ego/supergo. And Walken as Max Schrek (the name of the actor who played Nosferatu) looking like he stepped off the set of the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. No, Batman Returns is definitely awesome. It's way better if you think of it as a Burton film that happens to have Batman in it.
Completely agree. Returns is indeed the better film. I saw both recently and the second has an identity of its own, ir also has a better study between good and bad
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Also Batman Returns has Danny Elfman's best score, imo.
Damn right. The three different character themes, the constant music - it's like an opera.

HOLY HELL WHY ISN'T THERE A BATMAN RETURNS OPERA
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I like Batman 89 much more then Returns, I think the style helps prevent it from making it too dated.
Of all of the Batman films, 89 is still my favorite.
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Damn right. The three different character themes, the constant music - it's like an opera.

HOLY HELL WHY ISN'T THERE A BATMAN RETURNS OPERA
I'd buy that for a dollar!

But yes, Elfman's use of themes is very reminiscent of opera, and the Catwoman strings are as effective, IMO, as the Joker sound from TDK.
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The biggest problem I have with Batman Returns is that regardless of indoor or outdoor scenes, it looks like it was shot on an interior soundstage and not in anything resembling a city. For that reason the whole thing feels off and fake, harder to suspend disbelief.
I've always had that issue with it. It just looks and feels "off."
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I guess I'm alone - I really REALLY dig both the original and Returns. I can appreciate some of the things said here about them, but I still think they capture the late 80's comics extremely well, and this is how I prefer my Batman.

I really enjoy BB and TDK - don't get me wrong, but I'll take Burton's over Nolan's. Certainly puts me in the minority, but that just makes me cooler! You're all a bunch of fanboys!
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I thought we were hipsters?
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I guess I'm alone - I really REALLY dig both the original and Returns.
Although I don't prefer them to Nolan's take, I am with you on this. I really enjoy both Batman '89 and Batman Returns for what they are.
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Batman '89 hasn't aged well at all. Batman Returns is a great German Expressionist homage. It's meant to look artificial. It also has a great psychological component with Catwoman/Penguin/Batman as id/ego/supergo. And Walken as Max Schrek (the name of the actor who played Nosferatu) looking like he stepped off the set of the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. No, Batman Returns is definitely awesome. It's way better if you think of it as a Burton film that happens to have Batman in it.
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I thought we were hipsters?
TRUE hipsters prefer the '66 Batman.
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Really love Burton's Batman. Prefer Nolan's films and they're better but...Burton's are very cool. Really like BR. It was the movie that got me into Batman. Batman ('89) didn't do it but little Solid Snake PAC was sold on Batman when Danny Devito was The Penguin. For some reason...as a kid...I was a big fan of Devito. I just...liked him.
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I prefer the Schumacher films myself, but only ironically.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC View Post
Really love Burton's Batman. Prefer Nolan's films and they're better but...Burton's are very cool. Really like BR. It was the movie that got me into Batman. Batman ('89) didn't do it but little Solid Snake PAC was sold on Batman when Danny Devito was The Penguin. For some reason...as a kid...I was a big fan of Devito. I just...liked him.
me too, it was kind of inexplicable.
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I know, man...I THINK that was my first favorite actor that wasn't an action star.

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