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Groucho 07-02-08 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by scott1598
well, i started this for next week to start precedent and i think it looks pretty good.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=534733

it is a little work, but nothing too bad.

what do you all think?

:lol: Somebody's already given the film 5 stars.

das Monkey 07-02-08 11:53 AM

Keep it simple. 0-4 or 0-5 in whole number increments. If a professional reviewer wants to give a film 3.5 stars, that's one thing; but it's overkill in this context and spreads the voting too thin to be useful. The point is to get a general idea of how a group of people feel about a film at a glance, not perform statistical analysis on their opinions.

das

Trevor 07-02-08 11:59 AM

Looks good Scott, except for the nine choice poll range. I really think we need to limit it to no more than six (if we do the 0-5 star scale).

Groucho 07-02-08 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by das Monkey
The point is to get a general idea of how a group of people feel about a film at a glance, not perform statistical analysis on their opinions.

You just cock-blocked wendersfan. :sad:

Trevor 07-02-08 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by das Monkey
Keep it simple. 0-4 or 0-5 in whole number increments. If a professional reviewer wants to give a film 3.5 stars, that's one thing; but it's overkill in this context and spreads the voting too thin to be useful. The point is to get a general idea of how a group of people feel about a film at a glance, not perform statistical analysis on their opinions.

das

Copycat.

:)

JPRaup 07-02-08 12:03 PM

Looks good Scott! Except people are already started to cheat..It will eventually even out though obviously :)

and the vast number of options is NOT overkill. You will be able to see by the line graph what the consensus is.

Cellar Door 07-02-08 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by das Monkey
Keep it simple. 0-4 or 0-5 in whole number increments.

QFT (bolding mine)

The Bus 07-02-08 12:34 PM

I think that's why we need to make the Poll Choices public. I also think that, in order, to not jump the gun, you should not make a Reviews thread until you've actually seen the movie. Otherwise the first few pages are just "can't wait" etc. until someone actually writes a review.

I also don't think every movie needs a "Hype" and a "Review" thread. If a movie's thread still has, say, less than 20 posts, I don't see why we need to have a separate review thread. If it has 40+ posts (2 or more pages, depending on your settings), then sure.

These are all guidelines, of course. I don't think we'd get anything from trying to "enforce" them aside from a mod maybe changing a title once in a while or adding the finalized "guidelines" into a Movie Talk sticky.

The Bus 07-02-08 12:44 PM

Also, I figured making polls would be easier if you could simply type :5star: and have this appear instead: <img src="http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/5.gif">

And so on for :4star:, :3star:, :2star:, :1star:, :0star:...

So if you like that idea, <a href="http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?p=8785708">add your opinion to this Feedback Forum thread</a>.

JPRaup 07-02-08 12:51 PM

Great idea, that would be perfect.

Trevor 07-02-08 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by mdc3000
I voted for 0 to 5 - but I've been using that scale in my 'rank them as you see them' posts since 2001 (and flixster is a 5 star scale, so it's what I'm used to and prefer).

For DVDtalk consistency, I voted for this option as well.

Those threads have become "standard" in this community to a large extent. We use the 5 star scale in the book threads as well. (Yes Virginia, there is a book forum.)

OldBoy 07-02-08 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Groucho
:lol: Somebody's already given the film 5 stars.

yeah, that's trollish, unless someone did see an advanced and didn't post. is there a way to start polls at a given date, i know you can end them...

OldBoy 07-02-08 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by JPRaup
Looks good Scott! Except people are already started to cheat..It will eventually even out though obviously :)

and the vast number of options is NOT overkill. You will be able to see by the line graph what the consensus is.

that's what i thought. when i rate dvd's on DVDSpot i like the 1/2 bc mostly i don't have solid 5's or 4's.

Trevor 07-02-08 01:49 PM

I'm bored silly at work. Hope you all don't mind a rambling repetitive reply to a few comments. Should just give this thread a couple more days before posting more, but did I mention I'm bored?


Originally Posted by TheGodfather
0-5 is cool as long as we can use .5 stars. I hate Netflix's whole star policy. Some films are neither 3's or 4's, but rather 3.5's. That's just a truth of life.

As The Bus pointed out, 0-5 with half stars actually leads to 11 choices. Might as well do 1-10 at that point. And I agree with the others that have said that would be too many choices for this particular endeavor.


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc
Who's going to "enforce" all this anyway? The mods? Or are we just going to get a lot of bitching in threads that you're not doing it the "right" way which could get really old really fast? Just wondering....

I think we agree that no enforcement is really necessary. If we put it in the FAQ, and all try to follow it, it will eventually catch on. But, in my normal impatient mode, how about this? If the current Movie Talk mods don't want the bother of "fixing" 5 or so threads a week, make another Movie Talk mod, someone with the sole responsibility of spending 10 minutes a day to edit thread titles, add poll options, merge these threads?


Originally Posted by DeputyDave
I think it's a great idea. I hate to read review threads before I see a movie but I really want to know what the forum thinks before I see a movie.

Exactly. And as others have pointed out, polls give the lurkers in our community the chance to be heard a bit.


Originally Posted by Groucho
I'm somewhat in favor of open polls so we can see who's trolling and/or ballot stuffing.

Normally I think I'm against public polls. But I'm not sure why exactly. So ok, I'll vote for public polls for this idea.


Originally Posted by The Bus
I think that's why we need to make the Poll Choices public. I also think that, in order, to not jump the gun, you should not make a Reviews thread until you've actually seen the movie. Otherwise the first few pages are just "can't wait" etc. until someone actually writes a review.

True, but I could see it being beneficial for some of us to start the review threads a bit early just to push the new format. Just a few days before release, early enough where a few of us have probably caught a preview.


Originally Posted by The Bus
I also don't think every movie needs a "Hype" and a "Review" thread. If a movie's thread still has, say, less than 20 posts, I don't see why we need to have a separate review thread. If it has 40+ posts (2 or more pages, depending on your settings), then sure.

Agreed. Then of course we need Mods willing to edit threads to create the poll and make the thread title standard.


Originally Posted by The Bus
Also, I figured making polls would be easier if you could simply type :5star: and have this appear instead: <img src="http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/5.gif">

And so on for :4star:, :3star:, :2star:, :1star:, :0star:...

So if you like that idea, <a href="http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?p=8785708">add your opinion to this Feedback Forum thread</a>.

Great idea. If we get enough "votes" in that thread perhaps our tireless and under appreciated admins can make the smilies happen.

sundog 07-02-08 02:02 PM

A pox on star/number ratings!

I will stick to reading the well-reasoned, civil discussions found... inside the many threads...

I just don't like rating scales.

You all can take your uniformity and consistency and... post it.

Trevor 07-02-08 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by sundog
A pox on star/number ratings!

I will stick to reading the well-reasoned, civil discussions found... inside the many threads...

I just don't like rating scales.

You all can take your uniformity and consistency and... post it.

I don't think the polls will stop the well-reasoned civil discussions at all. It will just provide an extra bit of potentially interesting information. If you're not interested in the "forum score", just don't vote. If you don't vote you won't see the score, so this new idea won't affect you at all.

das Monkey 07-02-08 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Trevor
Copycat.

:)

Note to self: Read thread before posting.

das

wendersfan 07-02-08 02:28 PM

One star to five stars is my preferred choice.

Trevor 07-02-08 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by wendersfan
One star to five stars is my preferred choice.

We need to leave the zero star option for Wayan Brothers and Adam Sandler films.

But speaking of moderators, you're not a Movie Talk mod, right? Has anyone made sure that this sub-forum's mods know about this idea? It would be nice to get all of their input.

Edit to add: I did the report to mod thing, so maybe we'll get their input soon.

islandclaws 07-02-08 02:52 PM

I like the IMDb scale. It's essentially the same as the restaurant scale, but I think it allows for a more precise rating.

sundog 07-02-08 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Trevor
I don't think the polls will stop the well-reasoned civil discussions at all.

Agreed.












Now we just need those discussions to start.

TomOpus 07-02-08 06:01 PM

I voted 0-5 stars rather than 0-4 because that'll give a person a way to vote in the middle if they can't approve or disapprove of the movie. It's the Meh Vote.

Boba Fett 07-02-08 06:11 PM

I've always rated films with the A+ through F scale; to me, when you rate something a 5/10 or 2 out of 4 stars, thats not average, thats crap, since 50% or below was always an F throughout my years in school and college.

wendersfan 07-02-08 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Trevor
But speaking of moderators, you're not a Movie Talk mod, right? Has anyone made sure that this sub-forum's mods know about this idea? It would be nice to get all of their input.

No, I think all hell would break loose if I were a mod here. :lol: But I know this will probably be implemented soon. :up:

The Bus 07-02-08 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by wendersfan
No, I think all hell would break loose if I were a mod here. :lol: But I know this will probably be implemented soon. :up:

Does that mean we won't get ANOVA models on summer blockbusters vs. Oscar nominees, etc.? :sad:


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