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Old 04-06-13, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger
Not even "ghastly dialogue"?
Ghastly? No. Light hearted and sometimes cornball-ish? Sure, but that's part of the charm.

Now if he had said that about the Prequel Trilogy I'd agree 100% with "ghastly dialog" as a descriptor.
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His wife, Chaz, has issued a statement.

Wow:
"We were getting ready to go home today for hospice care, when he looked at us, smiled, and passed away. No struggle, no pain, just a quiet, dignified transition.
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Originally Posted by Jack Straw
Here's a clip from ABCNews from 1983 with Siskel and Ebert debating and defending Return of the Jedi with the nimrod on the right. S/E pretty much win the day!

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I find it hilarious they deemed a movie review important enough to have a segment this long on a major news program.
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re: Roger Ebert Discussion & Appreciation (1942-2013)

Must've been a slow news day
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Re: Roger Ebert Discussion & Appreciation [Update: Dead]

Originally Posted by whotony
As it has been said, watch his show to listen to people talk about movies and hear their opinion not make your opinion using theirs.
Exactly. That was the appeal. Listening to two smart, knowledgable people reviewing movies. The whole "thumbs" thing has been disparaged by elitists, but I see it as a useful adjunct to a movie review. In fact, I would've preferred them using a traditional star system.
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
He also wrote a column about language, where he prescribed the correct English usage in difficult cases.
Interesting, since he made a couple of grammatical mistakes in that Nightline piece. Anyway, Simon is hardly some unknown critic, and although I disagree with the pompous tenor of his argument, as an adult I can sort of sympathize with his position favouring serious films over popcorn flicks. He does come across as an awfully self-serious prig, though.
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Re: Roger Ebert Discussion & Appreciation [Update: Dead]

Originally Posted by Tarantino
It was my opinion. My opinion is that I will feel bad for him if a Malick film is his last review.
His last review is.......

Spoiler:
http://www.suntimes.com/19293543-761/roger-eberts-last-review-to-the-wonder.html
Old 04-06-13, 10:51 PM
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I'm glad that was his last review. As I am glad that his widow mentioned his passing was a peaceful one.
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Am I the only one getting a horrible script error from that Return of the Jedi video? I was so glad when it finally fell off the page, only to have someone quote it and bring it back LOL
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Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen
Am I the only one getting a horrible script error from that Return of the Jedi video? I was so glad when it finally fell off the page, only to have someone quote it and bring it back LOL
You're not alone.
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Originally Posted by The Infidel
I'm gonna chime in here and say that neither the passing of Siskel nor Ebert affects me in the least. I only watched their show growing up because my mom watched it, and she only watched it to find out what an upcoming movie was about. She didn't rely too much on their opinions. If it looked like a movie she would enjoy, she went to see it. If it didn't, she didn't. To be honest, she thought they were both a couple of opinionated blowhards. So, subsequently, I think I "inherited" that feeling toward critics of any kind. Who cares what someone else thinks? Why would you miss out on something just because someone who gets paid to give their opinion doesn't like it? Sure, it may be an "educated" opinion, but it's solely theirs, nonetheless.
A good critic does a whole lot more than just give an opinion. They help you come to a better understanding and appreciation of the work in question. Ebert did exactly that for many of us during our formative years as film lovers.

I'm not sure why this idea persists of critics as people who do nothing more than "get paid to give their opinion." Probably because there are so many bad "critics" in the world, and their numbers have increased exponentially thanks to the internet.
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re: Roger Ebert Discussion & Appreciation (1942-2013)

I never said he or any other critic did "nothing more" than get paid to give their opinion, but getting paid to give their opinion, albeit (in Ebert's case) a very educated and experienced one, is exactly what their profession is. I realize what the function of a critic is. I'm simply saying they're not for me. I'm sorry my feelings seem to be frustrating so many people.
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Originally Posted by Coral
So you feel bad for him for watching a movie he enjoyed as his last film?

Do you also feel bad for someone when they win the lottery, enjoy their vacation or have amazing sex?
If their sex is boring, meandering, and without a point like Malick's movies are, then yes, I'd feel bad for them...but not as bad as having to watch a Malick movie as your last one, because you can always have more sex.
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Originally Posted by Tarantino
If their sex is boring, meandering, and without a point like Malick's movies are, then yes, I'd feel bad for them...but not as bad as having to watch a Malick movie as your last one, because you can always have more sex.


You obviously don't get when to feel sorry for someone and when not to.
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

John Simon specialized in intellectual snob appeal. He never liked any popular movies. He only liked the ones that Joe Sixpack avoided.

He also wrote a column about language, where he prescribed the correct English usage in difficult cases.
Well, John Simon was much more than that. He had high standards when it came to film reviewing and really challenged the most hyped up and over-praised of Hollywood films.

Even if he stated something one might disagree with, there's no doubt that his points were often valid and thoughtful. Fans should read his REVERSE ANGLE: A DECADE OF AMERICAN FILM which actually makes you appreciate the art of movies.
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Originally Posted by DieselsDen
Well, John Simon was much more than that. He had high standards when it came to film reviewing and really challenged the most hyped up and over-praised of Hollywood films.

Even if he stated something one might disagree with, there's no doubt that his points were often valid and thoughtful. Fans should read his REVERSE ANGLE: A DECADE OF AMERICAN FILM which actually makes you appreciate the art of movies.
He's in trouble from the start going up against polished "TV personalities" like Siskel and Ebert. You notice how Siskel and Ebert radiate a positive energy, and speak in ethusiastic sound bites. Simon loses the debate with his dull manner of speaking and meandering sentences. He seems so old and opposed to fun. That awful moment when he starts fumbling with his earpiece makes him look like a senile old man who doesn't know how to operate his hearing aid.
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Originally Posted by Crocker Jarmen
He's in trouble from the start going up against polished "TV personalities" like Siskel and Ebert. You notice how Siskel and Ebert radiate a positive energy, and speak in ethusiastic sound bites. Simon loses the debate with his dull manner of speaking and meandering sentences. He seems so old and opposed to fun. That awful moment when he starts fumbling with his earpiece makes him look like a senile old man who doesn't know how to operate his hearing aid.
True.
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Just read that Wesboro Baptist Church will picket his funeral. They call him a **** enabler and he made a couple anti-WBC tweets.
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A what enabler?
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A what enabler?
"Tact" is the only thing I can think of that's appropriate and fits four letters.
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A what enabler?
He was a four star enabler. He gave many movies four stars that didn't deserve them.
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That's weird. I guess you can self-censor words you know will get forum-censored. I typed "f * g"... w/o the spaces.
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He enabled people to smoke cigarettes?
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Excellent piece on Ebert by David Carr in today's NY Times. He points out how Ebert was able to adapt to different media and formats to spread his writing and that's how he reached the position of fame and wealth that he did, a status that other film critics are just not able to achieve. One has to give Ebert credit for that.

Here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/bu...=business&_r=0
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One of my biggest literary heroes. I was shocked to say the least. He'll be very sorely missed.

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