Am I the only one who liked the Star Wars prequels?
03-06-08, 05:04 PM
#127
Originally Posted by coli
I still say it all comes back to the final ghost scene, and why I feel Anakin shouldn't be in it at all now. If the last image of Anakin/Darth Vader was him with his son on Death Star II, and then in the bonfire on Endor, I think that would send a good message, he is redeemed by his son, but because of his crimes, but he will not sit next to Kenobi/Yoda as a force ghost. The ending image of ROTJ could have been Luke looking out at Yoda/Kenobi, and that to me would have a good moral ending.
03-07-08, 06:25 AM
#128
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
So did you have a problem with the original cut of ROTJ, where it's Sebastian Shaw instead of Hayden Christensen? Even if you didn't know the events of the PT, you still saw Vader vaporize Alderaan in the first film.
When you watch the story 1-6, the arc is about Anakin now, not Luke, so that image of Hayden at the end of ROTJ really means something now, and after knowing what he did to his wife, and the fact that he killed a bunch of children, that just doesn't sit well with me now. Plus the fact that Lucas made Anakin totally unlikeable the minute older Anakin is on screen in Episode II, makes it really hard to root for him in the PT, and feel his tragedy in the OT.
03-07-08, 10:05 AM
#129
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The other thing is... how did Anakin know how to do that? According to Yoda it requires some level of training "Obi-Wan, more training I have for you..."
When you saw the OT, you just assumed that's what happens to all Jedi... now we know that doesn't happen. The Emperor doesn't live on (at least in the movies) so it's not like he taught Vader either.
When you saw the OT, you just assumed that's what happens to all Jedi... now we know that doesn't happen. The Emperor doesn't live on (at least in the movies) so it's not like he taught Vader either.
03-07-08, 10:56 AM
#130
Originally Posted by Artman
The other thing is... how did Anakin know how to do that? According to Yoda it requires some level of training "Obi-Wan, more training I have for you..."
When you saw the OT, you just assumed that's what happens to all Jedi... now we know that doesn't happen. The Emperor doesn't live on (at least in the movies) so it's not like he taught Vader either.
When you saw the OT, you just assumed that's what happens to all Jedi... now we know that doesn't happen. The Emperor doesn't live on (at least in the movies) so it's not like he taught Vader either.
03-07-08, 11:26 AM
#131
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Luke wouldn't know who Qui-Gon is. Then again, he wouldn't recognize young Anakin either, but whatever at this point. Supposedly Liam Neeson either filmed something or was going to for ROTS but they dropped it, which was too bad. I liked the idea of him mentoring Obi Wan from beyond the grave.
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03-07-08, 11:40 AM
#132
DVD Talk Godfather
Originally Posted by JeremyM
Supposedly Liam Neeson either filmed something or were going to for ROTS but they dropped it, which was too bad. I liked the idea of him mentoring Obi Wan from beyond the grave.
03-07-08, 04:01 PM
#133
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Originally Posted by coli
Good question, and no I didn't have a problem with Shaw there. First the OT(4-6) story is not about Anakin, it is about Luke, so the whole redemption angle is just a sub-plot, not the main plot about the character arc of Luke Skywalker and the Rebels. When I watch the end of ROTJ with Shaw, I am really watching it in Lukes eyes and how HE succeeded throughout the movies. Darth Vader is also a soldier for the Empire, and that is different then knowing he is a wife abuser and a child killer. Men kill in war everyday, and that was my perception of Anakin before the PT, he was just a guy who got caught on the wrong side of the Clone Wars. I never thought he would be a psychotic mass murderer?
When you watch the story 1-6, the arc is about Anakin now, not Luke, so that image of Hayden at the end of ROTJ really means something now, and after knowing what he did to his wife, and the fact that he killed a bunch of children, that just doesn't sit well with me now. Plus the fact that Lucas made Anakin totally unlikeable the minute older Anakin is on screen in Episode II, makes it really hard to root for him in the PT, and feel his tragedy in the OT.
When you watch the story 1-6, the arc is about Anakin now, not Luke, so that image of Hayden at the end of ROTJ really means something now, and after knowing what he did to his wife, and the fact that he killed a bunch of children, that just doesn't sit well with me now. Plus the fact that Lucas made Anakin totally unlikeable the minute older Anakin is on screen in Episode II, makes it really hard to root for him in the PT, and feel his tragedy in the OT.
03-07-08, 08:27 PM
#134
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I really like about half of each of the prequels. The other half of each was just pointless filler or cameos/forced nostalgia.
Anakin being a kid was fine in the first one, but he shouldn't have been in it as much and should have been a little older.
#2 and #3 should have been one movie. The true third movie should have been the rise of the Empire and Vader kicking ass. Lucas already tried to destroy the originals anyway, why not at least give us some cool Vader shit?
Anakin being a kid was fine in the first one, but he shouldn't have been in it as much and should have been a little older.
#2 and #3 should have been one movie. The true third movie should have been the rise of the Empire and Vader kicking ass. Lucas already tried to destroy the originals anyway, why not at least give us some cool Vader shit?
03-07-08, 08:50 PM
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OK that was my Star Wars geek post. Here's the real reason they aren't great:
I'm old now. Not old old, but I'm not 5. There's too much other bullshit in my life now than to play with Star Wars toys all day and sleep under C-3PO and R2-D2 sheets by night, imagining that I'm flying the Millenium Falcon with my best friend Chewie.
Plus in 1977 I had no idea who Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford were. They were just Luke, Leia, and Han to me. It's pretty tough now suspending the fact that I know who Ewan Macgregor, Samuel L. Jackson ("say what again!"), Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, and Christopher Lee are.
I'm old now. Not old old, but I'm not 5. There's too much other bullshit in my life now than to play with Star Wars toys all day and sleep under C-3PO and R2-D2 sheets by night, imagining that I'm flying the Millenium Falcon with my best friend Chewie.
Plus in 1977 I had no idea who Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford were. They were just Luke, Leia, and Han to me. It's pretty tough now suspending the fact that I know who Ewan Macgregor, Samuel L. Jackson ("say what again!"), Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, and Christopher Lee are.
03-07-08, 09:17 PM
#136
Originally Posted by naitram
OK that was my Star Wars geek post. Here's the real reason they aren't great:
I'm old now. Not old old, but I'm not 5. There's too much other bullshit in my life now than to play with Star Wars toys all day and sleep under C-3PO and R2-D2 sheets by night, imagining that I'm flying the Millenium Falcon with my best friend Chewie.
Plus in 1977 I had no idea who Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford were. They were just Luke, Leia, and Han to me. It's pretty tough now suspending the fact that I know who Ewan Macgregor, Samuel L. Jackson ("say what again!"), Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, and Christopher Lee are.
I'm old now. Not old old, but I'm not 5. There's too much other bullshit in my life now than to play with Star Wars toys all day and sleep under C-3PO and R2-D2 sheets by night, imagining that I'm flying the Millenium Falcon with my best friend Chewie.
Plus in 1977 I had no idea who Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford were. They were just Luke, Leia, and Han to me. It's pretty tough now suspending the fact that I know who Ewan Macgregor, Samuel L. Jackson ("say what again!"), Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, and Christopher Lee are.
You watch the OT now and they're still good to this day. The action was shot wonderfully. The PT at times didn't feel real. It wasn't until Revenge of the Sith that I thought the sets and locations really looked like Star Wars. It's too bad Lucas didn't try to get more input on what could've been a terrific piece of film history, and are instead fun enough movies with one really good last movie.
