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Gunde 12-19-07 01:40 AM

It might be because the other Brosnan Bond movies were so god damn awful

toddly6666 12-19-07 03:43 AM

Out of all the Bond films, I think GoldenEye is certainly the most entertaining one

Brack 12-19-07 03:46 AM

I think it's safe to say it's because of Tina Turner:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bkBYVNrjjIs

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;)

chanster 12-19-07 10:21 AM

Well Famke Janssen helps a lot too. She was a memorable villian as her way of dispatching people was pretty cool. Sean Bean is a great actor too so his presence really helped. Even the Russian general wasn't bad.

The rest of the Brosnan villians pretty much sucked.

Kal-El 12-19-07 11:09 AM

The teaser for Goldeneye is one of the best ever. The movie however, is second only to TND for me.

AGuyNamedMike 12-19-07 03:43 PM

In my desert island list, if there is room for only 3 Bond films, I pick Goldfinger, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and GoldenEye.

PopcornTreeCt 12-19-07 07:17 PM

GoldenEye is one of my favorites for reasons everyone listed. Famke Janssen defined the femme fatale role. Sean Bean turns in the best performance of a Bond villain probably out of the whole series.

Tomorrow Never Dies, imo, is the worst Brosnan movie. Starting a war between two countries for TV ratings? Seriously, this idea got made into a movie? Johnathan Pryce as the villain, come on!

UAIOE 12-19-07 09:17 PM

I never really looked at it as "hey he's starting this for ratings" I always took it more as "he is rich and powerful enough to start a war simply because he wants to".

But I like the movie more for the fact that Michelle Yeoh is in it.

And hearing Johnathan Pryce just made me think of Lexus cars. :lol:

Jay G. 12-19-07 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Tomorrow Never Dies, imo, is the worst Brosnan movie. Starting a war between two countries for TV ratings? Seriously, this idea got made into a movie? Johnathan Pryce as the villain, come on!

You do realize that the idea for the movie was based on a real historical event, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaga...t_and_Pulitzer

Remember the Maine!

Jack Straw 12-19-07 10:36 PM

I think it has one of the most memorable (pre-credits) opening sequences of any Bond movie. And for me, Brosnan will always be Bond.

PopcornTreeCt 12-20-07 01:27 AM


Originally Posted by Jay G.
You do realize that the idea for the movie was based on a real historical event, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaga...t_and_Pulitzer

Remember the Maine!

Ehh, until they can prove that William Randolph Hearst was responsible blowing up the USS Maine it's not the same thing.

B5Erik 12-20-07 04:42 AM

I'd rate Goldeneye as one of the top 10 Bond movies, and the second best Brosnan Bond film (just behind Tomorrow Never Dies).

Brosnan wasn't quite comfortable in the role in Goldeneye, but by Tomorrow Never Dies he really hit his stride.

I still think that Goldeneye would have been better with Dalton in the role. I've said it a hundred times - the best example is the beach scene ("It's what keeps me alive"). That whole scene just screams out for Dalton, and Brosnan just comes off as Dalton-light.

Still, I think Goldeneye is a really good movie, Bond or otherwise.

mmconhea 12-20-07 11:24 AM

Keep in mind, the game came out long after the movie- a year after I think- and the reviews of the film at the time of the film's release were overwhelmingly positive.
Also the game didn't really follow the movie at all- it didn't have any story.

The reviews were positive because this was a "new" bond and dispite doubts it delivered what people expected from a bond film.

BambooLounge 12-20-07 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I don't know if I buy the retro love angle, aka because of the game. The game came out two years after the movie. The movie was loved long before anyone played a second of the game.

Goldeneye is my favorite Brosnan 007 film by far as I found the others too laughable, but I think you underestimate the N64 transferred love factor. While, the game came out after the film as you say, I think for many younger viewers/players, the interaction with the game when they were younger was probably enough to embed a seed that the movie was good by virture of the game regardless of the fact that the film by itself is good. I would bet money that the majority of kids who were of middle school age when the N64 game came out will now view Goldeneye as the best of the Brosnan Bond films (assuming of course they care even remotely about films or Bond).

Jay G. 12-20-07 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Ehh, until they can prove that William Randolph Hearst was responsible blowing up the USS Maine it's not the same thing.

My bad, I should've said it was "inspired," not "based." Still, the idea is essentially the same: artificially create a war based on exaggerated or outright fictional accounts in order to boost circulation/ratings. It's just that in TND the villain goes on steps further and makes the artificially created accounts true.

Michael Corvin 12-21-07 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by BambooLounge
While, the game came out after the film as you say, I think for many younger viewers/players, the interaction with the game when they were younger was probably enough to embed a seed that the movie was good by virture of the game regardless of the fact that the film by itself is good.

So the kids that saw the film outnumber the millions of Bond-philes(?) that loved the movie long before the game phenomenon? I'm not saying you are totally wrong, but to say the game is the sole reason for it's popularity or even a bulk of it is asinine. I'm sure there was some 'transference' of the game = good, the movie = good, but we are talking about middle school kids. How do you explain it's popularity outside of sixth grade?

Groucho 12-21-07 08:40 AM

Yeah, the idea that the movie is popular because of the N64 game is laughable. I've played the game, and loved it. But it was well after I'd seen (and loved) the film.

Toad 12-21-07 08:43 AM

Count me in as one who liked it long before I ever heard of the game.

starman9000 12-21-07 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Yeah, the idea that the movie is popular because of the N64 game is laughable. I've played the game, and loved it. But it was well after I'd seen (and loved) the film.


I was mostly joking when I brought it up, but I do know a lot of people who got into Goldeneye and really the whole Bond franchise only after playing the game a lot at college.

nateman 12-21-07 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Brack
And yes, GoldenEye for N64 was friggin' great.

No argument here, one of the most memorable video games ever, IMO.

I bout the N64, just for GoldenEye 007. I was never into the video games like a lot of people back than, but even I'll admit that it was bloody fun. So many memories of multiplayer mode, fun stuff.

Oh, about the movie itself, it was good as well.

ScandalUMD 12-21-07 11:30 AM

"Tomorrow Never Dies" was like the sequel to Moonraker. Terri Hatcher as a Bond girl, Rupert Murdoch as the bad guy, the boring indestructible German... Not great.

As for the futility of the Scheme in Goldeneye, it hangs together better than the scheme in Casino Royale. The SEC routinely busts people for insider trading on transactions below $10,000. Do you think that they would miss someone trading millions of dollars on what was clearly advance knowledge of a terrorist attack?

The US and British intelligence communities would not respond to Le Chiffre by trying to beat him at cards. They'd just hold him under water until he told them everything he knew.

Shannon Nutt 12-21-07 11:52 AM

To the OP: Bond wasn't really "given" a six-year break...United Artists was essentially bankrupt, main Bond writer Richard Maibaum had died, Albert Broccoli was in declining health, and there were some legal issues over who exactly "owned" Bond - that's the only real reason for the huge gap between LICENSE TO KILL and GOLDENEYE.

And forget Brosnan...Dalton WAS Bond. ;)

Cancer Man 12-22-07 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
"Tomorrow Never Dies" was like the sequel to Moonraker. Terri Hatcher as a Bond girl, Rupert Murdoch as the bad guy, the boring indestructible German... Not great.

Tomorrow Never Dies is certainly sci-fi, but it is noticibly more grounded in reality than Moonraker, You Only Live Twice, or even GoldenEye (why have such a gigantic radio dish the size of three football fields to signal a low orbiting sattellite?). Terri Hatcher was not a patch on either Famke Jansen or Ms. Yeoh, but she was still miles better than either that Barbie doll from Starship Troopers or Halle f---ing Berry. A media baron is not so banal if he could potentially have the monopoly on the international flow of information and be a highly ruthless trillionaire with unlimited resources, with his multinational corporation not just printing newspapers (Carver was aiming on exclusive broadcasting rights in China, reaching over a billion people, a billion more people to manipulate and exploit). And Jonathan Pryce was excellent at encapsulating a old school Bond villain more suited to the golden eras of Connery and Moore, rather than being a sulky damp squib that Renard was or even Trevelyan was to a certain degree (but Sean Bean elevated the mediocre material, and his dual with Brosnan on the radio dish cradle was very good, even though the plot around it was uninspired and nonsensical). Stamper was certainly a very generic Germanic henchman, but nobody could beat the awsomenss of Dr. Kauffmann, and Gupta would've been more of note if his scenes of throwing steel edged playing cards weren't cut.


As for the futility of the Scheme in Goldeneye, it hangs together better than the scheme in Casino Royale. The SEC routinely busts people for insider trading on transactions below $10,000. Do you think that they would miss someone trading millions of dollars on what was clearly advance knowledge of a terrorist attack?

The US and British intelligence communities would not respond to Le Chiffre by trying to beat him at cards. They'd just hold him under water until he told them everything he knew.
Well for a start Le Chifre was already under investigation, and he was already suspected of funding Mr. White's mysterious syndicate and it's criminal/terrorist associates such as the Lord's Liberation Army, but he must've kept under the radar by using multiple aliases, dummy accounts, and dummy companies. The banks he work with must've been corrupt and complacent. Operating his scams mainly in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, parts of Asia, and South America would've helped too, and the Federal authorities do not extend as far as that (even though they want to). I think Trevelyan's scheme is also stupid in that to own a gigantic complex in Cuba with the massive command centre and a near kilometer wide radio dish that floods, it would imply that Trevelyan is already a billionaire with unlimited resources and why waste it all on a glorified bank robbery (yawn)?

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