Do you think Michael Moore is full of it, or do you support him?
11-14-07, 08:44 AM
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I don't see very many people still arguing that Fahrenheit 911 was all false-facts leftist agenda. I watched it again recently and man, some peopel should just shut up about Michael Moore and take a hint from his movies.
I'd love to slap every jackass who discredited the point of that movie based on the fact he had "an agenda" -yeah-turns out that "agenda" was right after all dumbasses.
I'd love to slap every jackass who discredited the point of that movie based on the fact he had "an agenda" -yeah-turns out that "agenda" was right after all dumbasses.
11-14-07, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
(By the by, I noticed that when I mentioned the Three-Fifths clause, which basically PROVED beyond question that there were outdated flaws in the constitution and removed all doubt that it IS a living, breathing document, the point was completely ignored....)
Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
Lot of power in a handgun...
Riiiiiiiight.There's waaaay more power in a Remington 870.
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11-14-07, 12:09 PM
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Since everybody digs wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Bill_of_Rights
The United States Bill of Rights consists of the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution. These amendments limit the powers of the federal government, protecting the rights of all citizens, residents and visitors on United States territory. Among the enumerated rights these amendments guarantee are: the freedoms of speech, press, and religion; the people's right to keep and bear arms; the freedom of assembly; the freedom to petition; and the rights to be free of unreasonable search and seizure; cruel and unusual punishment; and compelled self-incrimination. The Bill of Rights also restricts Congress' power by prohibiting it from making any law respecting establishment of religion and by prohibiting the federal government from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. In criminal cases, it requires indictment by grand jury for any capital or "infamous crime," guarantees a speedy public trial with an impartial and local jury, and prohibits double jeopardy. In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,"[1] and reserves all powers not granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States.
11-14-07, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
I ignored it because I already stated that the Constitution IS NOT a living breathing document, but rather one that can be amended when needed. The Three-Fifths clause which you referenced has been amended.
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Riiiiiiiight.There's waaaay more power in a Remington 870.
-Doc
11-14-07, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
WHICH MEANT THAT IT HAD BEEN ALTERED - MEANING TO CHANGE, REDIFINE or CLARIFY. Which means that the constitution was not a perfect-on-spec, locked-in-stone document, but one that needed to be changed to reflect the times. How is this even still an argument? You're proving my point.
No, like I stated earlier...referring to it as a "living breathing document" is relative to the court system and THEIR interpretation of it. It does not automatically evolve over time, it takes the human mind and vote for it to change.
I think you missed my point... You said that power corrupts. You saying there's no corruptive power-trip-high you get from a friggin' shotgun?
I'm going on my 10th year of being a private citizen able to carry a concealed handgun. Why? Because I can. I took the safety course, I gave my prints & mugshot to the county sheriff, and thorough FBI background check was done....and every four years I have to re-up with them. Which is strange...I mean, you'd think that over the course of 10 years, 520 weeks, 3650 days of carrying a handgun that I would have eventually gone on my "power-trip-high", correct? Weird.
11-14-07, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
No, like I stated earlier...referring to it as a "living breathing document" is relative to the court system and THEIR interpretation of it. It does not automatically evolve over time, it takes the human mind and vote for it to change.
Originally Posted by MartinBlank
I'm going on my 10th year of being a private citizen able to carry a concealed handgun. Why? Because I can. I took the safety course, I gave my prints & mugshot to the county sheriff, and thorough FBI background check was done....and every four years I have to re-up with them.
Either way, obviously we're not about to change each others minds anytime soon, Martin, but I want to thank you for a spirited and mature debate. It's very easy to get dragged down into personal attacks and base insults when issues as passionately contested as these are argued and discussed, and lord knows I can be just as guilty of that from time to time. But I very much enjoy these palavers, in that even if nothing is resolved, they help to refine and articulate one's own position. Cheers.
-Doc
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11-14-07, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
Well it sounds like you are responsible and safety conscious (although I whole-heartedly disagree with carry & conceal permits), and you are not the one I'm worried about.
11-14-07, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
Why do you disagree with them?
I can sort of understand (if not get behind) the whole, "A man's home is his castle to defend" theory of gun ownership, and why one would keep a gun in his/her house. A population of citizens carrying concealed firearms, however... that's a little too "wild west" for me.
-Doc
